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[BigEvil]

Is there any part of Thedas that isn't haunted? 

 

It's all haunted, or will eventually become haunted, just need to wait for the kill count to reach the tipping point. I think even the Character Creator is haunted in Thedas.

[ElitePinecone]

No DLC characters is a bit disappointing considering Sebastian was the only reasonable person when it came down to siding with Mages vs Templars, and Javik was awesome.However considering everytime it's occured people have accused Bioware of intentionally releasing an unfinished game, I do get why they would want to avoid people throwing that around for a fifth time.

 

I think the goodwill generated by something like this outweighs the absence of content.

 

(Or to put it another way, when Mass Effect 3 came out and people bombed its Metacritic user score, it wasn't [initially] because of the ending. It was people hysterically screaming about Javik. The user score probably affects sales on some level, and I'm sure they have no desire to repeat that experience.)

[Lobos1988]

No DLC characters is a bit disappointing considering Sebastian was the only reasonable person when it came down to siding with Mages vs Templars, and Javik was awesome.However considering everytime it's occured people have accused Bioware of intentionally releasing an unfinished game, I do get why they would want to avoid people throwing that around for a fifth time.

 

This is not Biowares decision... David Gaider seems not happy about it... I bet the order comes from EA... I also bet there will be more than enough expensive DLCs

[BioFan (Official)]

This is not Biowares decision... David Gaider seems not happy about it... I bet the order comes from EA... I also bet there will be more than enough expensive DLCs

 

 

maybe that 9 will turn into a 10+?

[Kallimachus]

This is not Biowares decision... David Gaider seems not happy about it... I bet the order comes from EA... I also bet there will be more than enough expensive DLCs

 

I really don't think the PoV that "everything bad comes from EA, and BioWare has no choice but capitulate to these mandates" has any leg to stand on. Mr. Gaider does indeed seem unhappy with that decision, but it seems to me that he is more unhappy with the fact that the decision became unavoidable, rather then that it has actually been made. I can easily see how BioWare execs and devs themselves came to a hard and harsh decision, one that they themselves perhaps were not thrilled to make, but saw they had no other option.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm disappointed because I just didn't feel those complaining were particularly justified. Yes, the content was on the disc, but it was created with resources that wouldn't be available without supplementary income to the game. Thus, you have to pay extra to have access to this extra content that, otherwise, wouldn't be on the disc and no one could use. I thought that was a perfectly reasonable arrangement already. I don't blame Bioware, but I'm a bit disappointed in the fanbase for making them do this.

[dragondreamer]

 

Dragon Age ‏@dragonage 1m

The Plains are now a contested battleground in the Orlesian civil war. Soldiers fight and die here in vast numbers. pic.twitter.com/RcbcTnqwG2

 

 

 

So pretty, I really love the colors here.  

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm disappointed because I just didn't feel those complaining were particularly justified. Yes, the content was on the disc, but it was created with resources that wouldn't be available without supplementary income to the game. Thus, you have to pay extra to have access to this extra content that, otherwise, wouldn't be on the disc and no one could use. I thought that was a perfectly reasonable arrangement already. I don't blame Bioware, but I'm a bit disappointed in the fanbase for making them do this.

 

With respect to a party member, it's more a function of "we have more time to work on the game so that party member can now fit within release schedule."

 

For us to have a DLC companion after the time extension would have required us spending time creating a new companion.  Basically the time extension has simply meant "free DLC for everyone that is perfectly integrated into the game!" if you want to look at it that way.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm disappointed because I just didn't feel those complaining were particularly justified. Yes, the content was on the disc, but it was created with resources that wouldn't be available without supplementary income to the game. Thus, you have to pay extra to have access to this extra content that, otherwise, wouldn't be on the disc and no one could use. I thought that was a perfectly reasonable arrangement already. I don't blame Bioware, but I'm a bit disappointed in the fanbase for making them do this.

 

There is nothing to be disappointed about. All 9 companions will be available at launch without having to pay extra for them. You seem to be under the impression that you are being denied a 10th character when in fact, based on what they said about 'all the characters being so ingrained in the story' is that there are 9 companions period. 

 

If they were to do day 1 DLC, we would have had 8 characters available, and the 9th we would have had to pay for. Now we get all 9 without having to pay extra.

 

Edit:  by Allan.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

With respect to a party member, it's more a function of "we have more time to work on the game so that party member can now fit within release schedule."

 

For us to have a DLC companion after the time extension would have required us spending time creating a new companion.  Basically the time extension has simply meant "free DLC for everyone that is perfectly integrated into the game!" if you want to look at it that way.

I took from David Gaider's commentary for it to be that no DLC character just mean one less character, so it's a bit confusing compared to what he said. 

[Allan Schumacher]

I took from David Gaider's commentary for it to be that no DLC character just mean one less character, so it's a bit confusing compared to what he said. 

 

It's more just that the nature of how party members work, if we don't create content for those party members that already litter the base game, we're limited in what we do with those party members.

 

It's a bit like why there's not much for DLC party members beyond the day one DLC party members in our games.

 

 

Rereading David's post, I also think there's a degree of frustration with people that go "yay no DLC characters" without fully realizing what exactly that means.

 

I mean, all you have to go on is my word that there isn't actually a character that's been cut and people will just never know, right?

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 10 avril 2014 - 08:39 .

[Cat Lance]

Which, of course, also means "no new party members, period".
 
As an example: if Shale hadn't been completed in DLC, Shale would simply have never existed insofar as the fans are concerned. Perhaps some people are happier with that, I'm not sure. All I'm saying is that there are two sides to every coin.

I don't get why people don't get the whole Shale was not finished, and it was just certain files embedded in the game on the disk thing. It's sad that any companions not completed in time for launch won't be in the game ever. Ah well.

[ElitePinecone]

I really don't think the PoV that "everything bad comes from EA, and BioWare has no choice but capitulate to these mandates" has any leg to stand on. Mr. Gaider does indeed seem unhappy with that decision, but it seems to me that he is more unhappy with the fact that the decision became unavoidable, rather then that it has actually been made. I can easily see how BioWare execs and devs themselves came to a hard and harsh decision, one that they themselves perhaps were not thrilled to make, but saw they had no other option.

 

Yep.

 

If the internet wasn't as boneheaded and unreasonable as it is, this probably wouldn't be necessary. I think it's something that's being done as a concession to outraged "fans" who basically hold Metacritic user scores to ransom, and possibly as part of a wider cultural effort at EA to reset their relationship with hardcore gaming enthusiasts.

 

And frankly, the "EA made them do [X]" thing is getting so old. Get over it, people. They're not the Illuminati and Andrew Wilson does not walk around Edmonton every few months with a gun pointed at everyone's heads. Naïveté about the realities of the industry is no help at all. 

[Mr.House]

I'm disappointed because I just didn't feel those complaining were particularly justified. Yes, the content was on the disc, but it was created with resources that wouldn't be available without supplementary income to the game. Thus, you have to pay extra to have access to this extra content that, otherwise, wouldn't be on the disc and no one could use. I thought that was a perfectly reasonable arrangement already. I don't blame Bioware, but I'm a bit disappointed in the fanbase for making them do this.

If you like paying for unfinished products and then having to pay extra for content that should be in it, be my guest but don't expect people too. Shale is the only exception but Seb, Javik, Kasumi and Zaeed? No, that was ripping content out for money and that is unacceptable.

[Leanansidhe]

Personally, I'm getting a bit sick of the internet mobs who are ruining everything for those of us who are quiet, and are perfectly content to pay for extra goodies.  Instead we're called "whales" and a host of other derogatory names.

 

BioWare has been having Day 1 Companion DLC since Jade Empire.  If you bought the Collector's Edition, you got an extra companion.  Monk Zeng, I think his name was.

 

Now, those of us who really enjoy the extra content BioWare sees fit to make for us, get screwed.  All because of a bunch of screaming trolls, who don't even know the game development behind what they're screaming about, make a stink on the internet.

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The internet is simultaneously the worst and best thing to ever happen to us.

 

Sorry for the off-topic rant.  This has just really been pissing me off, lately.

[Lobos1988]

Well...

 

I really don't think the PoV that "everything bad comes from EA, and BioWare has no choice but capitulate to these mandates" has any leg to stand on. Mr. Gaider does indeed seem unhappy with that decision, but it seems to me that he is more unhappy with the fact that the decision became unavoidable, rather then that it has actually been made. I can easily see how BioWare execs and devs themselves came to a hard and harsh decision, one that they themselves perhaps were not thrilled to make, but saw they had no other option.

 

EA has not the best stand with customers right now... looking at the BF4 screwup by rushing DICE... I absolutely love Bioware games and am looking forward to what they are doing and was actually surprised that they got another full year time...

 

I fully trust Bioware to give us an awesome game... but the thing is that there is a lot of ideas and creativity in those heads at Bioware HQ and I have the bad feeling that maybe the "no companion DLC" is due to: "lets make cheap DLC that do not involve a lot of additional character creation and sell them for 14,99"

 

If one of the devs choses to tell us that I am not right, I might change my PoV...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's more just that the nature of how party members work, if we don't create content for those party members that already litter the base game, we're limited in what we do with those party members.

 

It's a bit like why there's not much for DLC party members beyond the day one DLC party members in our games.

 

 

Rereading David's post, I also think there's a degree of frustration with people that go "yay no DLC characters" without fully realizing what exactly that means.

 

I mean, all you have to go on is my word that there isn't actually a character that's been cut and people will just never know, right?

It's not that I'm not willing to take your word for it, it was just that the last post by David Gaider made it sound, to me, like "no DLC character" just meant "we're going to create less characters". I was just making comments based on what he said. I didn't mean to come across as accusing you of lying about it, if it seemed like that. I would just be disappointed if we lost a character like Shale in the future over the issue, like he said we would have without DLC in Origins. I'm willing to totally accept that nobody got cut and no concepts were heavily in the works for this project to fill that gap this time.

[Mr.House]

Personally, I'm getting a bit sick of the internet mobs who are ruining everything for those of us who are quiet, and are perfectly content to pay for extra goodies.  Instead we're called "whales" and a host of other derogatory names.

 

BioWare has been having Day 1 Companion DLC since Jade Empire.  If you bought the Collector's Edition, you got an extra companion.  Monk Zeng, I think his name was.

 

Now, those of us who really enjoy the extra content BioWare sees fit to make for us, get screwed.  All because of a bunch of screaming trolls, who don't even know the game development behind what they're screaming about, make a stink on the internet.

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  The internet is simultaneously the worst and best thing to ever happen to us.

 

Sorry for the off-topic rant.  This has just really been pissing me off, lately.

No it was a character to play, not a companion. The fact is this. Zaeed, Kasumi, Seb and Javik where not original content made for day one, they where ripped from the game and slapped with a price tag. There's the issue and if you and others can't see that, that's your problem, not us who hate the concept of ripping content out of gaming to sell it. If you want that garbage go buy a Capcom game.

[Kallimachus]

Yep.

 

If the internet wasn't as boneheaded and unreasonable as it is, this probably wouldn't be necessary. I think it's something that's being done as a concession to outraged "fans" who basically hold Metacritic user scores to ransom, and possibly as part of a wider cultural effort at EA to reset their relationship with hardcore gaming enthusiasts.

 

And frankly, the "EA made them do [X]" thing is getting so old. Get over it, people. They're not the Illuminati and Andrew Wilson does not walk around Edmonton every few months with a gun pointed at everyone's heads. Naïveté about the realities of the industry is no help at all. 

 

This made me hear the following sentence in Claudia Black's best sarcastic tone:

 

"You fear EA-ians would swoop down upon you!"

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If you like paying for unfinished products and then having to pay extra for content that should be in it, be my guest but don't expect people too. Shale is the only exception but Seb, Javik, Kasumi and Zaeed? No, that was ripping content out for money and that is unacceptable.

I don't agree with your view of the process, which I explained in the post you quoted and you ignored completely. 

 

But, like I said, I am willing to pay for it and, no, I don't "expect" you to do anything. 

[Mr.House]

I don't agree with your view of the process, which I explained in the post you quoted and you ignored completely. 

 

But, like I said, I am willing to pay for it and, no, I don't "expect" you to do anything. 

You support ripping content out and slapping a price on it. That is simply unacceptable.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

You support ripping content out and slapping a price on it. That is simply unacceptable.

Sure. 

[Kallimachus]

No it was a character to play, not a companion. The fact is this. Zaeed, Kasumi, Seb and Javik where not original content made for day one, they where ripped from the game and slapped with a price tag. There's the issue and if you and others can't see that, that's your problem, not us who hate the concept of ripping content out of gaming to sell it. If you want that garbage go buy a Capcom game.

 

And that "fact" is based on what, exactly? What real evidence do you have, other than paranoia and the firmly held belief that "EA is Bad", that this has actually happened? Mr, Gaider stated that was not the case (in a rather lengthy and detailed post on his blog) other BioWare people have made similar statements. What real evidence do you have that would show them to be liars?

[The Elder King]

I don't get the complaint about less characters. DA2 had 9 companions including the dlc companion. DAI will have nine, which is more than two of other recent Bioware game (ME and ME3).

[thats1evildude]

The DLC debate really should move to another thread.