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[devSin]

John Epler wrote...

BF3 being more realism-focused does not necessarily mean that DA3 (or any other games that use the engine, for that matter) have to also look more realistic. Really, the only thing you're going to see as a 'BF3 feature' in terms of visual style is that the lighting engine is significantly better than what we had previously and allow for more nuanced lighting, like in BF3.

Having never really looked at BF3, is the primary level lighting still static?

[ObserverStatus]

John Epler wrote...
Visual style will be derived far more heavily from texture and model choices rather than the engine being used. As much as I've argued for it, you will likely never fight a dragon from the cockpit of an F-35.

Probably for the best.  Judging by how much more easily the Hulk smashed that F-35 than the dragon in "The Avengers", the player wouldn't have much chance of surviving such a battle anyway.

[Atakuma]

devSin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

BF3 being more realism-focused does not necessarily mean that DA3 (or any other games that use the engine, for that matter) have to also look more realistic. Really, the only thing you're going to see as a 'BF3 feature' in terms of visual style is that the lighting engine is significantly better than what we had previously and allow for more nuanced lighting, like in BF3.

Having never really looked at BF3, is the primary level lighting still static?

Frostbite does realtime lighting and shadows if I'm not mistaken, so it really shouldn't be.

[Brockololly]

Filament wrote...
lol, Brock, the hell man, I know it was you who kept pushing BioWare to do this exact thing. It's one thing to be skeptical but turnarounds like this just make you seem impossible to please, ever (by bioware at least, for what they have done to draw your eternal ire).

I'm happy they're working with a new engine that is more powerful on a technical level than what they've used before. Its simply that there have been zero Frostbite 2 games that are party based fantasy RPGs to even sort of judge how this will look or turn out visually or performance wise. Even with another engine like Cryengine that is usually thought of for its more "realistic" looking games, there are plenty of examples of other games that use it for a different visual look.

I'm genuinely excited to see what they are able to do with it, but I'm not blindly thinking that simply slapping "Powered by Frostbite™ 2" will cure all of the things that I think went astray with Dragon Age 2 visually from an art perspective or even a technical perspective. We have no idea what to expect this game will look like since Frostbite 2 has never been used in this manner before, at least in anything thats been publically available.

Modifié par Brockololly, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

I believe that like DA 2, the day/night cycle will be player controlled.

[Zjarcal]

Filament wrote...

lol, Brock, the hell man, I know it was you who kept pushing BioWare to do this exact thing. It's one thing to be skeptical but turnarounds like this just make you seem impossible to please, ever (by bioware at least, for what they have done to draw your eternal ire).

Lol, and that's news to you? It wouldn't be Brock if he wasn't the eternal pessimist no matter what (even if BW does something he was asking for).

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I believe that like DA 2, the day/night cycle will be player controlled.

That's what i'd expect too, as it was handy approach. On the other hand since they're supposedly looking into Skyrim and such, they just might go for that 'realtime' approach to daycycle, now that their new game engine allows it.

(edit to add quote, thread moves fast)

Modifié par tmp7704, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[CasbynessPC]

When a developer talks about game engine, particle and world physics, lighting, camera functionality and desctructible environments, they are showing off to competitors and talking to prospective employees/investors.

When a developer talks about character customisation, story, quests and companions, they are talking to the players.

When a developer talks about DLC, multiplayer and the TOTALLY AMAZING things that they have planned just around the corner, they are repaying their debt to a Dark Master.

[Astralify]

Arppis wrote...

I hope they go further into stylized art direction, instead of trying to do realism-like graphics.

I prefer realism-like graphics, thanks. DA2 style was ugly.

[Astralify]

@John Epler

So, can you tell us if DA3 will atleast have toolset for modding, please?

[King Cousland]

John Epler wrote...

BF3 being more realism-focused does not necessarily mean that DA3 (or any other games that use the engine, for that matter) have to also look more realistic. Really, the only thing you're going to see as a 'BF3 feature' in terms of visual style is that the lighting engine is significantly better than what we had previously and allow for more nuanced lighting, like in BF3.

Visual style will be derived far more heavily from texture and model choices rather than the engine being used. As much as I've argued for it, you will likely never fight a dragon from the cockpit of an F-35.

If I could ask, why is that you guys are resistant to having "realistic" aesthtics (form what I've inferred you're sticking with DA II's art style)?

[naughty99]

Is Frostbite 2 compatible with the next generation of Xbox and PS consoles?

[hoorayforicecream]

King Cousland wrote...

If I could ask, why is that you guys are resistant to having "realistic" aesthtics (form what I've inferred you're sticking with DA II's art style)?

Realistic aesthetics tend to look dated as time passes.

[img]http://src.sencha.io/http://www.thunderboltgames.com/s/reviews/n64/goldeneye_4.jpg[/img]

Stylized art holds up much better.

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LHmPZAIPzXI/UBNns9-hsrI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/ZZkyJ4SDkjw/s1600/diablo2_diablo.jpg[/img]
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8yvl28sNY_E/T4BPtgALSoI/AAAAAAAANI0/n2FrRJ_NacQ/s1600/using+mirror+shield+reflect+majora%27s+mask+beam.jpg[/img]

As for DA2's art style... it isn't really that stylized either. I kind of wish it was.

[Rockworm503]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

FORSTBITE2 EVERYTHING!

Frostbite 2 all the games!

[Atakuma]

I just hope they don't use lens flares. They're already annoying but they'd also be totally out of place in a fantasy game.

[Maverick827]

How dare BioWare use more powerful technologies to develop their games. I expect them to code in Notepad on Windows 95 and I swear if I see a non-rotary phone anywhere in the Edmonton or Montreal offices, I'm going to flip.

[Rockworm503]

Maverick827 wrote...

How dare BioWare use more powerful technologies to develop their games. I expect them to code in Notepad on Windows 95 and I swear if I see a non-rotary phone anywhere in the Edmonton or Montreal offices, I'm going to flip.

Only real Devs use nothing but Duct Tape.

[Wulfram]

Atakuma wrote...

I just hope they don't use lens flares. They're already annoying but they'd also be totally out of place in a fantasy game.

What if the protagonist wears glasses?

[Dr. wonderful]

naughty99 wrote...

Is Frostbite 2 compatible with the next generation of Xbox and PS consoles?

...How are we suppose to know?


I guess, I mean unless they have something more powerful.

[tmp7704]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Realistic aesthetics tend to look dated as time passes. 

Stylized art holds up much better.

I'd argue the particular screenshots included there don't quite make this point -- instead, they demonstrate that 2d graphics can look much better than early 3d, and that a 3d game can look better than another published two years earlier, or more.

Current 3d graphics reach the point where fidelity is high enough the games aren't likely too look very outdated couple years down the road (the examples you post are over 10 years old) ... and even if they did, that's minor concern for games which get bulk of their sales in first few months after the release. It's not a MMO that has to be built with intention to last for long years, because that's how long it's supposed to be bringing in revenue.

[deuce985]

Frostbite is arguably the most powerful engine in the industry. It has pretty much everything you'd want in an engine. Now I'm wondering if Bioware is going to use the destruction the engine allows. Does this mean Bioware will "tear down their Dragon Age world"?