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[filetemo]

I for one welcome the new graphics engine, frostbite 2 or whatever

[MrCrabby]

John Epler wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Engines don't really have a lot to do with the kind of game that's being made. Engines handle a lot of things behind the scenes - the example of visuals was already used, but it's more than that. Engines can handle how animations are handled, how data is stored and accessed, how assets are treated. Certainly, Frostbite 2 has, thus far, been primarily used for FPSes, but there's a lot of stuff it does that is simply going to give us the ability to do a lot more than we have previously - not just graphically.

The thing is, though - this is not a sign that we're shoving everything into overdrive action mode. We're working with the creators of this engine, and we've been building our changes from the ground up. This means that we don't have limitations in terms of things like customization that are imposed on us by the way the engine was originally created. Gameplay demands can drive changes to the engine, versus the engine limiting what we can do in terms of gameplay.

Hope that's a bit better of an explanation.

No John, we got that sign a long time ago.

If you'd like to participate in a constructive fashion, you are more than welcome to do so. You don't have to be positive, just polite and attempting to engage in actual discussion.

If you'd like to try and win 'points' in some bizarre game in which you are the only participant, I suggest you go elsewhere. Thanks.

I am sorry for being rude. On my third day without cigarettes so im not on my best behaviour. Be grateful you are not my wife !

Quite alright! I'm trying to cut back on caffeine so I am not at my most polite either, for which I apologize.

I really think a hug is in order you two.

[Apollo Starflare]

Cloaks please.

[CELL55]

I think, given the limited info, that it will be a good thing. If there is one thing that the DA series has consistently needed, it's better visuals. This coming from a guy who plays on the 360, by the way.

[WardenKing]

Oh if bioware are using frostbite 2 engine for DA3 then it will be epic! Here is a video on how it may look:

Modifié par Captain Eldarion, 17 septembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[Mello]

I'm more worried about the story of the game not the graphics.
I like Bioware because of their games story, not the graphics if I did then I would be playing Battlefield 3.

[slimgrin]

I can't believe people are skeptical of this. They're bloody lucky to have one of the most powerful engines out there.

[Madcat 124]

Look at it this way. They don't need to spend time making a new engine, and they can do new stuff with it now, rather than keeping the other in house engines.

[Frenetic Pony]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

Think of it in terms of "beautiful graphics and physics", not as an FPS engine per se. I've seen what they are doing with it for DA3 and I think you guys are in for a treat. When the time comes that is!

The truth! Besides, most of you PC guys should be thankful such a well optimized engine is being used. Did you know many games (and engines) out there can't get a smooth and constant 60 fps on even the most powerful PCs, simply because their developers just ignore the PC and don't do anything for the CPU end? Meanwhile Frostbite 2 actually does well, even a mid to low ranged CPU won't be bothered at all by say Battlefield 3.

That being said, what are the tools like? And is there any chance of day/night cycles? Last I read it was using Geomerics, which handled dynamic relighting fine depending on what you were using it for, assuming only sunlight was used for GI if I recall. A highly technical question I know, but eh, why not?

[devSin]

John Epler wrote...

The thing is, though - this is not a sign that we're shoving everything into overdrive action mode. We're working with the creators of this engine, and we've been building our changes from the ground up. This means that we don't have limitations in terms of things like customization that are imposed on us by the way the engine was originally created. Gameplay demands can drive changes to the engine, versus the engine limiting what we can do in terms of gameplay.

So does this mean you're going to be preserving the capabilities of your dialogue and script systems? Please don't tell me they're going to end up with something like Story Manager.

I was terrified of this. I'm afraid you're not going to come away with something that plays and feels like Dragon Age.

I'll trust you because you're all awesome, but all good peoples hang their heads in shame today.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

El Mito wrote...

Flatrid wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

As soon as an RPG developer talks about engine you know that the game will have little content. Good RPGs with cutting edge graphics (technically, not art desing) - does that even exist?

Witcher 2 and Skyrim

Skyrim is not an rpg.....

Never go full retard.

[Allan Schumacher]

So does this mean you're going to be preserving the capabilities of your dialogue and script systems? Please don't tell me they're going to end up with something like Story Manager.

I don't even know what "Story Manager" is, so take that for what it's worth.

One of the first orders of business my team was on was providing the writers with writing tools that matched or exceeded the abilities that they had with the DA Toolset.

[Wonderllama4]

I am excited for the first gameplay trailer. I hope it knocks my socks off... if I'm wearing any at the time

[upsettingshorts]

slimgrin wrote...

I can't believe people are skeptical of this. They're bloody lucky to have one of the most powerful engines out there.

Because they're focusing on what it isn't (a description of RPG features) instead of what it can do (make those features better).

Probably due to a lack of familiarity with Frostbite or, well, a lack of imagination.

[devSin]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I don't even know what "Story Manager" is, so take that for what it's worth.

It's what passes for plot and story management in the ME engine.

Allan Schumacher wrote...

One of the first orders of business my team was on was providing the writers with writing tools that matched or exceeded the abilities that they had with the DA Toolset.

And the designers?

Scripting comes with significant overhead, but it puts so much at the fingertips of the people who can best use it, and it's been a hallmark of every true BioWare engine, starting with Mark's work on BG (as if you needed to introduce yourself, sir).

Or are the designers going to have to run back to the programmers and beg for new hardcoded behaviors for their special encounter or their cool NPC?

[TheShadowWolf911]

Aargh12 wrote...

As soon as an RPG developer talks about engine you know that the game will have little content. Good RPGs with cutting edge graphics (technically, not art desing) - does that even exist?

Lost Odyssey

[BlenderisedMind]

I'm so damn excited for this that I can't even sleep :/

Plus, Frostbite 2 is gonna be insane! They certainly weren't kidding when they said they are gonna have "The most realistic beards"

[Allan Schumacher]

And the designers?

Scripting comes with significant overhead, but it puts so much at the fingertips of the people who can best use it, and it's been a hallmark of every true BioWare engine, starting with Mark's work on BG (as if you needed to introduce yourself, sir).

"Designers" is a vague term. If you're referring to level designers, I'm less versed on what specifically they were wanting (I actually worked with Writing and the Programmers on my team). You'll still need to be more specific, however.

Frostbite does have a scripting system.

As for designers running back to the programmers with feature requests, this happened a lot on DAO and DA2 as well. Part of working with something new is they come back with "So, this thing we couldn't do in Eclipse, we still want to do it. Lets see if we can do it now."

[Kinkaku]

I don't see people complaining to Epic Games about them putting their Unreal engine in all their games.

Honestly if you have a very powerful engine in one of your in-house developers it would defiantly save money/time instead of making a completely new one for every single game.

Modifié par Kinkaku, 17 septembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Versus Omnibus]

I'm actually curious; did you guys go to DICE and asked them to use the engine or has EA made the FB2 engine their "trademark engine" for their games, like how Capcom uses the MT Framework engine?

[Dubozz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

So does this mean you're going to be preserving the capabilities of your dialogue and script systems? Please don't tell me they're going to end up with something like Story Manager.

I don't even know what "Story Manager" is, so take that for what it's worth.

One of the first orders of business my team was on was providing the writers with writing tools that matched or exceeded the abilities that they had with the DA Toolset.

May i please ask you one thing? How hard is to make something like suicide mission(me2) in terms of time, resourses, etc. on frostbite2. To tell the truth i'm exited to hear about DA3 will use it as engine.

Modifié par Dubozz, 17 septembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[JMSLionheart]

So they changed the engine... and still only 2 years of development (like in Dragon Age 2 which was like a bad-joke DLC for Origins). Release date: 2013...
Isn't that a non-sense?!

I have no hopes for DA 3... Graphics are not the main essence of a true RPG and a solid story cannot be done in less than 3 years. So I won't buy this product. Sorry for you Bioware, but I won't be fooled again. I am an intelligent being, unlike some of the people who only moves because of great graphics... the ones I call "Awesome" beings.

[DaJe]

Wow, I can't believe some of these coments here..

What BioWare does with this engine is their thing, Frostbite 2 is a tool and a very powerfull one at that, which opens up many possibilities and is a better base then the engine DA used so far.

That devs under EA can use this engine without licensing fees is a good thing, because they don't have to spend time building their own or enhancing the weak engine of Dragon Age so far (DA looked like a game from 2003).

Using a good engine wont lessen the amount of content, because BioWare does not have to develop the technology first!

Neither will the hardware requirements rise out of a sudden. Remember that this still has to run on the old consoles. Crysis used to run better on my old computer than Dragon Age: Origins or The Witcher 1 while looking significantly better.

When an engine is coded efficiently, it can look and perform better without a need of better hardware, while at the same time offering additional eye candy in the case of better hardware.

I can't believe that some people actually complain about them using a better engine after DA2 looked like a bland brown paste.