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[Quicksilver26]

The Uncanny wrote...

It would be nice if your LI was fun. And wanted to do fun stuff. And actually took an interest in you! 

for real man like after i got locked in the dongen Lilly could have be "hey my love are you alright" I mean come on man we it take to long to have a 2 minute convo going Lilly: "are you ok'"  PC:  "yeah i'm fine"  Lilly: "thats good I love you" or some such nonsense  that would been so cool.

[h0neanias]

The Uncanny wrote...

h0neanias wrote...

Not
that I wish to argue, but I kind of fail to see the difference. If having, say, gay characters is "inclusion", then having a certain same-sex love interest will inevitably be a way of handling inclusion. That is, I do loathe seeing characters as statements, by authors or the public. What I mean is that if I like this or that romance, liking the character is a must, but if they are poorly handled, I will like the romance less than I could. So it comes together.

No, I don't agree.

Saying'this is the character I would like to see as an f/f LI' has a very different foundation than 'this is how game x should treat different romances.'

Threads that tackle the latter get into trouble and get locked. This is not that thread. If anyone wants that thread then please go elsewhere.

Making a character into a 'statement' is something we ideologically or narratively place on what is there. And
assuming that what is there has a single meaning is reductive and assumes that the writer can't use a character for something different. This thread is not working on that assumption.

But of course, the rejection of ideologically driven interpretations was one of my points. I merely hold that a character -- as opposed to a mere concept -- is made through action (words or deeds), which has to be written. So I wanted to say that "I want a blonde warrior," "I want a badass," and "I want her to be written well" are on a single line, just progressively more general. It looks a bit unfair to exclude people who primarily want that last point in their FLI. It doesn't look off-topic, if the topic is defined by the title and the original post, that's all. That inclusion is uncontested goes without saying.

Modifié par h0neanias, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:41 .

[Quicksilver26]

h0neanias wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

h0neanias wrote...

Not
that I wish to argue, but I kind of fail to see the difference. If having, say, gay characters is "inclusion", then having a certain same-sex love interest will inevitably be a way of handling inclusion. That is, I do loathe seeing characters as statements, by authors or the public. What I mean is that if I like this or that romance, liking the character is a must, but if they are poorly handled, I will like the romance less than I could. So it comes together.

No, I don't agree.

Saying'this is the character I would like to see as an f/f LI' has a very different foundation than 'this is how game x should treat different romances.'

Threads that tackle the latter get into trouble and get locked. This is not that thread. If anyone wants that thread then please go elsewhere.

Making a character into a 'statement' is something we ideologically or narratively place on what is there. And
assuming that what is there has a single meaning is reductive and assumes that the writer can't use a character for something different. This thread is not working on that assumption.

But of course, the rejection of ideologically driven interpretations was one of my points. I merely hold that a character -- as opposed to a mere concept -- is made through action (words or deeds), which has to be written. So I wanted to say that "I want a blonde warrior," "I want a badass," and "I want her to be written well" are on a single line, just progressively more general. It looks a bit unfair to exclude people who primarily want that last point in their FLI. It doesn't look off-topic, if the topic is defined by the title and the original post, that's all. That inclusion is uncontested goes without saying.

dude her point is that this is indeed a wish for fillment thread if you like to talk about  more then yup they're going to be in here and this is what i'd like her to be like GTFO and start you own topic<_<
INB4 but it's an open topic.
just play the game so what would you like hmm blonde or dark hair ****, nice, crazy, sane, outgoing or shy any and all combos. tell us about it?

Modifié par Quicksilver26, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:56 .

[The Uncanny]

h0neanias wrote...

It looks a bit unfair to exclude people who primarily want that last point in their FLI. It doesn't look off-topic, if the topic is defined by the title and the original post, that's all.

I don't think you've made yourself very clear.

But if it's unfair then it's unfair. I created the topic so yes, I get to choose where the line is drawn and I'm drawing it here. Anyone who wants to have a different discussion than this one is free to start their own thread.

If you have an issue with the OP then I'm willing to change it for the sake of clarity. But if you want to continue this discussion then please PM me because it's still off topic.

[jlb524]

h0neanias wrote...
But of course, the rejection of ideologically driven interpretations was one of my points. I merely hold that a character -- as opposed to a mere concept -- is made through action (words or deeds), which has to be written. So I wanted to say that "I want a blonde warrior," "I want a badass," and "I want her to be written well" are on a single line, just progressively more general. 

It seems the original post in question wanted to rehash the tired/moronic "bisexual/herosexual LIs are crap cuz I say so without giving a reason why and exclusive LIs are better written b/c...um...there's a gender check!" argument.

That's best left out of this thread.

[SirGladiator]

Its safe to say that we all hope that we can romance any female LI in the game, as we could in DA2, that should be all that needs to be said on that. But on the personality traits, and the whole 'psycho' thing, I'd really prefer sane and normal and good, unless they're the type of character you can 'turn good' after they start out psycho, kind've like Jack from ME2. Leliana was so sweet and kind and everything good, I would always pick her over Morrigan even though I had the Morrigan romance mod. I romanced Morrigan and I did enjoy it, and it did have a great ending thanks to the Witch Hunt DLC, but really nobody beats Leliana. The best LI in DA2 would've been Bethany for the same reason, if she hadn't been Hawke's sister. If she had been the refugee and Aveline the sister, DA2 would've been so much better. Those are my favorite types of personalities, the nice and good and smart and emotionally strong kind. That doesnt mean there isn't room for flaws though, one of my all time favorites was Neeshka from NWN2, she had that sort of 'greediness' flaw, she was a thief and loved money too much, but as much as she loved money, she loved the player (including the female ones, which was so nice) even more. The flawed character with a heart of gold works for me too .

[The Uncanny]

To clarify my Callisto 'thing':

I point to her for various reasons. Firstly, she's blonde. BW haven't done a blonde LI and I think that would be a nice change. Secondly, Hudson Leick is very sexy. And no I'm not even slightly interested in defending the position that I like to find my LI of choice sexy. Thirdly, she's a badass warrior. And whilst we've had plenty of rogue class LIs and even a mage a sword-swinging kickass angel is notable by her absence. So this is something else I feel would make a nice change.

The bone of contention seems to be over personality. Now I'm prepared to admit that I don't know the TV show the Callisto character originated in very well at all. Nor, back when I was a teenager, did I pay a fat lot of notice to back story. Nor is my memory of the episodes I did see all that great. What I retained was a character who was a little wild and carefree. That is the bit I'd want to keep. That is the kind of personality which I'm drawn to. Damaged history, mental health issues... no, I really don't think I'd want to deal with any of that stuff either. So jettison it. All I've ever sought to suggest is that any such potential character in the game take a little bit of influence from the character in the show, not create a carbon copy.

Take the fun stuff and leave the rest. Which in a roundabout way is the thinking behind this thread too. 

Modifié par The Uncanny, 16 octobre 2012 - 01:44 .

[Quicksilver26]

The Uncanny wrote...

To clarify my Callisto 'thing':

I point to her for various reasons. Firstly, she's blonde. BW haven't done a blonde LI and I think that would be a nice change. Secondly, Hudson Leick is very sexy. And no I'm not even slightly interested in defending the position that I like to find my LI of choice sexy. Thirdly, she's a badass warrior. And whilst we've had plenty of rogue class LIs and even a mage a sword-swinging kickass angel is notable by her absence. So this is something else I feel would make a nice change.

The bone of contention seems to be over personality. Now I'm prepared to admit that I don't know the TV show the Callisto character originated in very well at all. Nor, back when I was a teenager, did I pay a fat lot of notice to back story. Nor is my memory of the episodes I did see all that great. What I retained was a character who was a little wild and carefree. That is the bit I'd want to keep. That is the kind of personality which I'm drawn to. Damaged history, mental health issues... no, I really don't think I'd want to deal with any of that stuff either. So jettison it. All I've ever sought to suggest is that any such potential character in the game take a little bit of influence from the character in the show, not create a carbon copy.

Take the fun stuff and leave the rest. Which in a roundabout way is the thinking behind this thread too. 

so put other way all you really wanted was a blonde Xena:D

[The Uncanny]

Quicksilver26 wrote...

so put other way all you really wanted was a blonde Xena:D

I refer you to point two. 

[Quicksilver26]

The Uncanny wrote...

Quicksilver26 wrote...

so put other way all you really wanted was a blonde Xena:D

I refer you to point two. 

whatever:P:D

[Lenimph]

Callisto at the beginning of the series was very much a the blonde version of the "old" Xena and it seemed the whole point to her character was to be Xena's foil to show how much the warrior princess changed.

[Quicksilver26]

Lenimph wrote...

Callisto at the beginning of the series was very much a the blonde version of the "old" Xena and it seemed the whole point to her character was to be Xena's foil to show how much the warrior princess changed.

ahh ture it was kinda like that wasn't it 

[Blackrising]

You know what I really want?
A female LI that acts really antagonistic towards the PC from the start. I don't think we ever quite had that. Morrigan was tough and took **** from no one, true, but she was in no way antagonistic unless you chose to be an ****. Leliana basically hung on your every word as soon as you met her. Isabela flirts like there's no tomorrow and Merrill is such an adorable little puppy, she's basically unable to be mean unless you're being a cold-hearted ****.
I want someone who hates your guts at the beginning. The dalish elf we saw in the leaks (Sera?) might be a good option for that. Most of the Dalish hate humans anyway.
I just have a thing for tropes like slap-slap-kiss, belligerent sexual tension and the "shut up" kiss.
Actually, I just like UST in general. Passion, dearies.

[Xilizhra]

Have any companions we've gotten at all been initially antagonistic?

[Blackrising]

Xilizhra wrote...

Have any companions we've gotten at all been initially antagonistic?

I don't think so...Fenris if you're a mage, maybe. But even though he hates mages, he's still pretty chill about you being one.
So no, all our companions have been pretty friendly, at least in the beginning. High time to have that change, I say. I'm actually hoping Cassandra might become that sort of companion. Not exactly antagonistic maybe, but annoyed she's stuck following that new girl that is suddenly supposed to be her boss. That'd be enough for me. As long as I get my sexual tension-filled kiss.
Kind of like the Renegade!Shep/Miranda make-out session.

[Xilizhra]

Blackrising wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Have any companions we've gotten at all been initially antagonistic?

I don't think so...Fenris if you're a mage, maybe. But even though he hates mages, he's still pretty chill about you being one.
So no, all our companions have been pretty friendly, at least in the beginning. High time to have that change, I say. I'm actually hoping Cassandra might become that sort of companion. Not exactly antagonistic maybe, but annoyed she's stuck following that new girl that is suddenly supposed to be her boss. That'd be enough for me. As long as I get my sexual tension-filled kiss.
Kind of like the Renegade!Shep/Miranda make-out session.

So what would make her be that annoyed to begin with?

[Yana Montana]

The Uncanny wrote...

To clarify my Callisto 'thing':

I point to her for various reasons. Firstly, she's blonde. BW haven't done a blonde LI and I think that would be a nice change. Secondly, Hudson Leick is very sexy. And no I'm not even slightly interested in defending the position that I like to find my LI of choice sexy. Thirdly, she's a badass warrior. And whilst we've had plenty of rogue class LIs and even a mage a sword-swinging kickass angel is notable by her absence. So this is something else I feel would make a nice change.

Same reasons why I am promoting Cara like there is no tomorrow. :happy:

1. Blonde - check
2. Tabrett Bethell super sexiness - check
3. B.A.M.F. - check (Please note, Cara has no sword; Cara needs no sword. She has a magic stick sex toy THING that she can use to torture people. ;P)

Plus I find emotionally stunted sociopaths with wry, sarcastic sense of humor and problems with expressing their feelings in a romantic way absolutely irresistable.

[Blackrising]

Xilizhra wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Have any companions we've gotten at all been initially antagonistic?

I don't think so...Fenris if you're a mage, maybe. But even though he hates mages, he's still pretty chill about you being one.
So no, all our companions have been pretty friendly, at least in the beginning. High time to have that change, I say. I'm actually hoping Cassandra might become that sort of companion. Not exactly antagonistic maybe, but annoyed she's stuck following that new girl that is suddenly supposed to be her boss. That'd be enough for me. As long as I get my sexual tension-filled kiss.
Kind of like the Renegade!Shep/Miranda make-out session.

So what would make her be that annoyed to begin with?

Well, assuming we start off with our PC being the average guy or gal (although that is, of course, pure speculation on my part) who gets named Inquisitor because of something s/he did or because of a case of being at the wrong/right place at the wrong/right time...Cassandra would probably be forced to follow the 'newbie'.
And as an established seeker, I doubt she'd be too thrilled about that. I mean, I know I would be pretty damn annoyed if I had to follow someone around who has no real experience.

[Blackrising]

Yana Montana wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

To clarify my Callisto 'thing':

I point to her for various reasons. Firstly, she's blonde. BW haven't done a blonde LI and I think that would be a nice change. Secondly, Hudson Leick is very sexy. And no I'm not even slightly interested in defending the position that I like to find my LI of choice sexy. Thirdly, she's a badass warrior. And whilst we've had plenty of rogue class LIs and even a mage a sword-swinging kickass angel is notable by her absence. So this is something else I feel would make a nice change.

Same reasons why I am promoting Cara like there is no tomorrow. :happy:

1. Blonde - check
2. Tabrett Bethell super sexiness - check
3. B.A.M.F. - check (Please note, Cara has no sword; Cara needs no sword. She has a magic stick sex toy THING that she can use to torture people. ;P)

Plus I find emotionally stunted sociopaths with wry, sarcastic sense of humor and problems with expressing their feelings in a romantic way absolutely irresistable.

Couldn't have put it better myself, dearie.

[Masha Potato]

Xilizhra wrote...

Have any companions we've gotten at all been initially antagonistic?

Morrigan was pretty antagonistic, especially if you didn't want to be a jerk to everyone

[h0neanias]

jlb524 wrote...

h0neanias wrote...
But of course, the rejection of ideologically driven interpretations was one of my points. I merely hold that a character -- as opposed to a mere concept -- is made through action (words or deeds), which has to be written. So I wanted to say that "I want a blonde warrior," "I want a badass," and "I want her to be written well" are on a single line, just progressively more general. 

It seems the original post in question wanted to rehash the tired/moronic "bisexual/herosexual LIs are crap cuz I say so without giving a reason why and exclusive LIs are better written b/c...um...there's a gender check!" argument.

That's best left out of this thread.

Reading back, I see how that can be warranted; I focused on the "deep complex companion" part more. That point seemed permissible to me, regardless of what specifically one considers "deep and complex".

Anyway, sorry to intrude on the lesbian festivities. Now, I'm here for the gay part more than the female part, so I'm not a primary customer, as it were, nevertheless -- what I'd personally like to see done well is the classic female warrior trope. You know, the Red Sonja, sword and muscles -- on the surface (as Zevran is just a charming rogue on the surface). Thinking about Callisto, even she could be done well. Imagine someone like that being "healed" (at least in terms of "I want to be a better person for you") through a gay relationship.

And just think of Callisto's abs. Yeah. I guess I'll go back to the M/M thread.

Modifié par h0neanias, 16 octobre 2012 - 08:00 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Masha Potato wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Have any companions we've gotten at all been initially antagonistic?

Morrigan was pretty antagonistic, especially if you didn't want to be a jerk to everyone

Zevran first tries to kill you. I'd count that as initially antagonistic. The Black Whirlwind, Chai Ka, and (arguably) Silk Fox are all fairly antagonistic when you first meet them in Jade Empire. Death's Hand and Loghain are both very antagonistic in their respective games. Though I am mostly defining "antagonistic" as "they will try to kill you".

[Yana Montana]

This page needs some HBIC-filled gif.



*feels alive*

Now, please continue.

[draken-heart]

I don't know why people ask for things like are in this thread. You guys are only setting yourselves up for failure.

Like i said before, all I want is a girl who can handle herself in a fight but is a softy in the bedroom.

[Blackrising]

draken-heart wrote...

I don't know why people ask for things like are in this thread. You guys are only setting yourselves up for failure.

Like i said before, all I want is a girl who can handle herself in a fight but is a softy in the bedroom.

I don't think we're actually asking anything. It's more of a 'let's dream up out ideal scenarios and squeal and flail about them until the LIs are officially announced and we can squeal and flail over the characters Bioware plans to throw at us'. We're pretty much just occupying ourselves with wishful thinking until Bioware gives us something more substantial.