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[Blackrising]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Closed Fist Silk Fox F/F romance forever, hehe.

Reminds me that I have yet to play Jade Empire with an 'evil' character.

Whelp, off I go!

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Rockpopple wrote...

I think the way ME3 did it, where specific characters were gay, straight or bisexual, instead of the whole cast being bisexual or ambiguous, is the way to go.

There should be one or two characters that are of the lesbian persuasion. As for who they should be.... who knows? I'll leave that open.

I agree with this, but stress absolutly no retconning of sexuality like they did with Kaiden in ME3 or Anders in DA2.

[Puzzlewell]

It's very worth it in my humble opinion! When I first played Jade Empire I played Open Palm and while I enjoyed it, I found my eventual Closed Fist playthrough to be far more enjoyable. For the most part it doesn't exactly feel 'evil' to me (though there are some choices that are and those can be gut wrenching) and there's something amazing about finishing on the Closed Fist path with Silk Fox at my side.

[caradoc2000]

CalamityRanger wrote...

For the most part it doesn't exactly feel 'evil' to me (though there are some choices that are and those can be gut wrenching)

IMO, this is an interesting point. How do people feel about the LI being "evil", like Viconia in BG?

[Maclimes]

caradoc2000 wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

For the most part it doesn't exactly feel 'evil' to me (though there are some choices that are and those can be gut wrenching)

IMO, this is an interesting point. How do people feel about the LI being "evil", like Viconia in BG?

I like the idea of a companion being more affectionate with someone they agree with. The whole "rivalmance" thing really threw me for a loop, especially for Anders. "We disagree on everything fundamental, you have actively worked to undermine my entire life's work, and you continually kill or enslave the people I passionately am trying to free. Love me!" 

On that note, I like the idea of having companions that are only romancable by "evil" or "good" PCs.

Modifié par Maclimes, 29 octobre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Puzzlewell]

It's an intriguing thought process to me personally. I've said many times that Viconia I would have killed to have a s/s romance with (drow culture has always fascinated me for so many years). From what I've heard, a ToB romance with her can change her alignment which likewise I find to be interesting. I think if done well it could create an interesting dynamic. Some might say the rivalry romances don't work because why would someone want to be with someone that has such a different perspective as them but it can work. They could be interesting foils in my opinion and their opposition could cause the player to question what motivates both themselves and their potential partner.

[Quicksilver26]

We don't choose who we fall in love with love chooses us so there will always be people with vastly different outlooks on life but still find love with each other. love doesn't care what you look like what gender you are whether you're pro mage or pro templiers whether your bad or good because

Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.

Modifié par Quicksilver26, 30 octobre 2012 - 01:36 .

[silentassassin264]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Closed Fist Silk Fox F/F romance forever, hehe.

I think that is my favorite Bioware romance. 

[SirGladiator]

I like the Closed Fist Silk Fox F/F romance also, it feels more satisfying than the other way. In the other way, its more like, your relationship is a secret, whereas if you go the Closed Fist route, Silk Fox is completely open and proud of your relationship, and she doesn't care who knows about it or what anybody thinks about it, she's the Princess and if she wants to be with a woman then the world is going to know about it and nobody's going to get in her way. But that once again shows the power of choice in the romances, its very satisfying, but its especially satisfying BECAUSE you have that other option, and you can see how much better it is than that other option. Not that the other way is terrible or anything, but it just pales in comparison to the Closed Fist route. Also, in reference to an earlier comment, it is extra nice because it does remind you a bit of the whole Viconia thing, how you can change her, make her better, because in the beginning she's scared to fall for a girl and completely unwilling to let anybody know it. In BG2 (and I always played it with a mod so I could romance any of the female LIs with my female character) you do have that ability to turn Viconia good, and stuff like that is always super fun. Whether you're turning them good, or turning them into a lesbian (which of course is the same thing) either way that never gets old, its fun each and every single time .

[Xilizhra]

While I may approve of that sort of thing, Closed Fist involves so much evilness otherwise that I seriously doubt I'd do so.

[WotanAnubis]

Xilizhra wrote...

While I may approve of that sort of thing, Closed Fist involves so much evilness otherwise that I seriously doubt I'd do so.

You can always Closed Fist-romance Silk Fox without actually being Closed Fist in the rest of the game. I prefer to think of it as encouraging positive change in a calcified culture.

[Quicksilver26]

WotanAnubis wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

While I may approve of that sort of thing, Closed Fist involves so much evilness otherwise that I seriously doubt I'd do so.

You can always Closed Fist-romance Silk Fox without actually being Closed Fist in the rest of the game. I prefer to think of it as encouraging positive change in a calcified culture.

HUH:huh: you lost me

[Palipride47]

 

Maclimes wrote...

I like the idea of a companion being more affectionate with someone they agree with. The whole "rivalmance" thing really threw me for a loop, especially for Anders. "We disagree on everything fundamental, you have actively worked to undermine my entire life's work, and you continually kill or enslave the people I passionately am trying to free. Love me!" 

On that note, I like the idea of having companions that are only romancable by "evil" or "good" PCs.

I think rivalmance was weird because the friendship/rival thing was misunderstood/simplistic.
Rivalry was supposed to be about philosophical diasgreements, to avoid the whole "I love the Circle/I hate the Circle" issue with Wynne and Morrigan, and having to kiss up to everyone/switch your parties out during certain quests before they leave your party because you kissed the tavern girl, so now they hit "crisis" mode and left. 

Or Wynne didn't like that you preserved the anvil, so here's a book. 

You can be in love with people you diasgree with on pretty fundamental issues (to a point). American Democrats and Republicans still mate occasionally with each other (as far as I'm aware) 

But you also had to be mean to be a rival. So Anders being in love with a verbally abusive and cruel-to-mages Hawke is downright disturbing. 

On topic: 

Can I have more "ambivalent" ladies? I hated romancing "I'm competing with Andraste for the Maker's Love" Leliana but I didn't really like the simplistic side of Morrigan that only seems to get more complex and awesome as a character if you played a penis in DAO. 


EDIT: Just read Maria's post
*slow 80's style buildup then insanely rapid clap*

Modifié par Palipride47, 30 octobre 2012 - 01:56 .

[Xilizhra]

WotanAnubis wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

While I may approve of that sort of thing, Closed Fist involves so much evilness otherwise that I seriously doubt I'd do so.

You can always Closed Fist-romance Silk Fox without actually being Closed Fist in the rest of the game. I prefer to think of it as encouraging positive change in a calcified culture.

I haven't actually played Jade Empire... how do the dialogue options go? And there's no persuasion things that require more points on one side?

Can I have more "ambivalent" ladies? I hated romancing "I'm competing
with Andraste for the Maker's Love" Leliana but I didn't really like the
simplistic side of Morrigan that only seems to get more complex and
awesome as a character if you played a penis in DAO.

Ambivalent?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 30 octobre 2012 - 01:43 .

[Palipride47]

Xilizhra wrote...

palipride47 wrote...

Can I have more "ambivalent" ladies? I hated romancing "I'm competing 
with Andraste for the Maker's Love" Leliana but I didn't really like the
simplistic side of Morrigan that only seems to get more complex and
awesome as a character if you played a penis in DAO.

Ambivalent?

I guess "complex" was the better word.

I hated Morrigan until I romanced her as a dude. She seemed shallow and power hungry and a godawful person.
When you romance her, she becomes more fleshed out as a person, and almost "lovable"

Maybe that is more like real life, but I'd like a:
"Don't see anything special, except she's kinda cute" -> "WOW!" person.

Does that make sense at all, or is even realistic? I feel like it isn't in a video game. Maybe someone like Aveline, seemingly boring  (i.e. not a trope) UNTIL you romance her, then find out some crazy stuff that makes her awesome. 

Seems like it makes little sense though.....

[caradoc2000]

Xilizhra wrote...

how do the dialogue options go?

The dialogue options are different for Open Palm romance than for Closed Fist one. The difficulty depends on the alignment of your LI. For example, it is fairly difficult to do a Closed Fist romance with Dawn Star since she leans towards Open Palm.

And there's no persuasion things that require more points on one side?

Romance persuasion checks depend on your stats, not your alignment. The most difficult ones are for the threesome with Dawn Star and Silk Fox.

[Xilizhra]

I guess "complex" was the better word.

I hated Morrigan until I romanced her as a dude. She seemed shallow and power hungry and a godawful person.
When you romance her, she becomes more fleshed out as a person, and almost "lovable"

Maybe that is more like real life, but I'd like a:
"Don't see anything special, except she's kinda cute" -> "WOW!" person.

Does that make sense at all, or is even realistic? I feel like it isn't in a video game. Maybe someone like Aveline, seemingly boring (i.e. not a trope) UNTIL you romance her, then find out some crazy stuff that makes her awesome.

Seems like it makes little sense though.....

But you don't like romancing Leliana?

Romance persuasion checks depend on your stats, not your alignment. The most difficult ones are for the threesome with Dawn Star and Silk Fox.

Which I assume you can't do as a woman?

[Palipride47]

Xilizhra wrote...

I guess "complex" was the better word.

I hated Morrigan until I romanced her as a dude. She seemed shallow and power hungry and a godawful person.
When you romance her, she becomes more fleshed out as a person, and almost "lovable"

Maybe that is more like real life, but I'd like a:
"Don't see anything special, except she's kinda cute" -> "WOW!" person.

Does that make sense at all, or is even realistic? I feel like it isn't in a video game. Maybe someone like Aveline, seemingly boring (i.e. not a trope) UNTIL you romance her, then find out some crazy stuff that makes her awesome.

Seems like it makes little sense though.....

But you don't like romancing Leliana?

She is a trope that continues to be a trope until forever. (at least to me)

I meant someone who turns out to be "messed up" until later. Like if Aveline had Isabela's dark past, and you don't find out until it's too late 

I said it made no sense. It seems to make less sense every time I try to explain myself 

Also, these are pixels, not people, so complexity isn't something I should be expecting an insane amount of. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:10 .

[Xilizhra]

Palipride47 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I guess "complex" was the better word.

I hated Morrigan until I romanced her as a dude. She seemed shallow and power hungry and a godawful person.
When you romance her, she becomes more fleshed out as a person, and almost "lovable"

Maybe that is more like real life, but I'd like a:
"Don't see anything special, except she's kinda cute" -> "WOW!" person.

Does that make sense at all, or is even realistic? I feel like it isn't in a video game. Maybe someone like Aveline, seemingly boring (i.e. not a trope) UNTIL you romance her, then find out some crazy stuff that makes her awesome.

Seems like it makes little sense though.....

But you don't like romancing Leliana?

She is a trope that continues to be a trope until forever. (at least to me)

I meant someone who turns out to be "messed up" until later. Like if Aveline had Isabela's dark past, and you don't find out until it's too late 

I said it made no sense. It seems to make less sense every time I try to explain myself 

Also, these are pixels, not people, so complexity isn't something I should be expecting an insane amount of. 

Hmm. Well, fair enough. I wouldn't object to this, at least.

[Barquiel]

caradoc2000 wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

For the most part it doesn't exactly feel 'evil' to me (though there are some choices that are and those can be gut wrenching)

IMO, this is an interesting point. How do people feel about the LI being "evil", like Viconia in BG?

Viconia

I think romances with "evil" characters need a bit more time to develop, or they tend to lack depth. It works in BG2/TOB because the characters have more dialogue than your average Dragon Age companion, IMO.

Modifié par Barquiel, 30 octobre 2012 - 02:28 .

[draken-heart]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Closed Fist Silk Fox F/F romance forever, hehe.

I wouldnt mind something like this for some reason. Never romanced Silk fox on JE with a female before but the idea of her not originally wanting a romance with a female protagonist because of tradition. Kind of like Merrill with more "we both know you love me, why hide behind tradition?"

[WotanAnubis]

Xilizhra wrote...

Romance persuasion checks depend on your stats, not your alignment. The most difficult ones are for the threesome with Dawn Star and Silk Fox.

Which I assume you can't do as a woman?

Nope. Dawn Star's straight.

Still... two bisexual romances out of three ain't bad. Especially since there's some actual differences between the homosexual and heterosexual romancing of the LIs.

[Vitlen]

The Uncanny wrote...

I'd prefer a human LI myself. That's just a personal thing. In all BW games I've always preferred a human LI.

me too

[Vitlen]

silentassassin264 wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

Closed Fist Silk Fox F/F romance forever, hehe.

I think that is my favorite Bioware romance. 

Yes it was very good

[Masha Potato]

Hm. To me Morrigan seemed to get a bit less complex on romance path. Instead of a character in herself she becomes a classic case of "ooh men are stupid except you my love, look at my unexpected feels".

It's just so much more fun when you have a creepy friendship and can worship the gods of mysandry together. By burning the party's bras.