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[Bionuts]

I think Traynor was awesome, because of the fact that she admired Shepard, as well as Shepard saving her life. It's also nice how Traynor actively supports her throughout the game.

It's refreshing, because I'm getting tired of protagonists that have to handhold their LI

[kaymarierose]

syllogi wrote...

I'm going to ask again, please, everyone, when someone comes into this thread to debate the bi and/or playersexuality issue, could we all bring it back on topic? This was a thread created to talk about what kind of f/f romances players want. This thread *will* be locked if people indulge the rude, selfish people who ignore the intended topic to whine about a subject that has been beaten to death.

To come into this thread just to complain about the sexuality of DA characters is either deliberately trying to get the thread locked, in which case you're a jerk, or you genuinely don't care about the wishes of players who actually want their female player characters to have the ability to romance female non-player characters, in which case you're being selfish, rude, or at the very least, thoughtless.

You are very right, and I apologize for indulging. I was only trying to clarify my opinion, as it was being miscontrued. In summation to all of the ranting, I don't care if the characters are player-sexual or have a defined sexuality, all I desire is to romance Cassandra with a female protagonist.

[Angrywolves]

I didn't read the whole thread.
Some months back someone said they wanted a female to female romance to feel like a lesbian romance .
I am a male so I don't know what that means.
The writer cited their femhawke's romance with Isabela as the one they liked .
I thought it was ok but not great.
Grossly inadequate like most everything in DA2 imo.
I don't know how many straight players do gay romances .
I do it because I enjoy them, not for any purient interests as some infantile romance haters have suggested but because I find them to be sweet.
Joe Haldeman's protagonist in his book "The Forever War" described the women being together as being sweet and I've felt romances like that have a certain poignance that the straight romances lack. At least for me.
As for Morrigan I think it's very likely she's bisexual.In her quest for power in Orlais I doubt she would let the sex of the person she needed to sleep with stop her.
So I expect she's bisexual now and we'll g see evidence of it in DA

[The Antagonist]

Bionuts wrote...

Isabela is bisexual. Origins shows this pretty clearly.

And she tells Bethany that she's been with both men and women

[Blackrising]

Angrywolves wrote...

I didn't read the whole thread.
Some months back someone said they wanted a female to female romance to feel like a lesbian romance .
I am a male so I don't know what that means.
The writer cited their femhawke's romance with Isabela as the one they liked .
I thought it was ok but not great.
Grossly inadequate like most everything in DA2 imo.
I don't know how many straight players do gay romances .
I do it because I enjoy them, not for any purient interests as some infantile romance haters have suggested but because I find them to be sweet.
Joe Haldeman's protagonist in his book "The Forever War" described the women being together as being sweet and I've felt romances like that have a certain poignance that the straight romances lack. At least for me.
As for Morrigan I think it's very likely she's bisexual.In her quest for power in Orlais I doubt she would let the sex of the person she needed to sleep with stop her.
So I expect she's bisexual now and we'll g see evidence of it in DA

Neither do I, and I am a lesbian.
I never understood how or why a romance can be more 'lesbian' than two women being together.
What a relationship is like depends on the personalities of the people involved, not their gender. *shakes head*

[Eragon-]

Can we smuggle her into DA, pwease ? 

 

[Blackrising]

Eragon- wrote...

Can we smuggle her into DA, pwease ? 

 

Laura Prepon should voice a character.

Nah, scratch that, she should voice EVERY character.

[syllogi]

Blackrising wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Some months back someone said they wanted a female to female romance to feel like a lesbian romance .
I am a male so I don't know what that means.

Neither do I, and I am a lesbian.
I never understood how or why a romance can be more 'lesbian' than two women being together.
What a relationship is like depends on the personalities of the people involved, not their gender. *shakes head*

Personally, I've been with both men and women, and there's definitely a difference in the dynamic of a relationship that's two women, but I don't expect DA:I to feature conversations with a love interest where you get to talk about how fast your monthly cycles synced up after moving in (lol, sorry, but that's the first and most blatant example of a conversation I've never had with a guy ).

If I were to hope for a romance that written specifically for two female characters, as opposed to just copy-pasted from the het version of the same romance, I'd hope that the differences were subtle (maybe one or two lines), and I definitely wouldn't want to come away feeling like the romance scene was written to be more gratuitous and salacious than the heterosexual love scenes.  There's nothing sexy to me about thinking that a lesbian scene was written to appeal to fourteen year old boys.

[CuriousArtemis]

Angrywolves wrote...

The writer cited their femhawke's romance with Isabela as the one they liked .
I thought it was ok but not great.
Grossly inadequate like most everything in DA2 imo.

Isabela is my FemHawke's canon LI, and I enjoyed the romance very much. I would say it's inadequate in comparison to Fenris' (my canon male Hawke's LI), which just feels more fulfilling and romantic.

Angrywolves wrote...

I don't know how many straight players do gay romances .

Probably quite a few....

Angrywolves wrote...

I do it because I enjoy them, not for any purient interests as some infantile romance haters have suggested but because I find them to be sweet.
Joe Haldeman's protagonist in his book "The Forever War" described the women being together as being sweet and I've felt romances like that have a certain poignance that the straight romances lack. At least for me.

In a straight romance, you have to contend with gender politics. A non-het romance can indeed feel more ... pure... especially for me, a straight woman, who is tired of the white knight/princess model of romance.

Angrywolves wrote...

As for Morrigan I think it's very likely she's bisexual.In her quest for power in Orlais I doubt she would let the sex of the person she needed to sleep with stop her.
So I expect she's bisexual now and we'll g see evidence of it in DA

Um well, there's a difference between (1) being truly bisexual and (2) having sex with anyone just to acquire power. 

I would say the reason Morrigan and Alistair were straight in DA:O is because that game is from 2009 while the more progressive DA2 is from 2011. 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 14 septembre 2013 - 08:11 .

[bluebeam]

syllogi wrote...
[...]
There's nothing sexy to me about thinking that a lesbian scene was written to appeal to fourteen year old boys.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what I thought about Traynor's romance.

Anyway, trying to stay on topic (since this topic valiantly resisted over 50 pages without derailing to the point of being locked)... nobody else thinks Vivienne would be interesting as LI? No? Just me?

[daveliam]

bluebeam wrote...

Anyway, trying to stay on topic (since this topic valiantly resisted over 50 pages without derailing to the point of being locked)... nobody else thinks Vivienne would be interesting as LI? No? Just me?

I definitely do!  For several reason:  1.)  I would love for a video game female who has african features to be the LI since it's so rare (yes, Isabela is also a PoC, but she has more mediterranean features); 2.)  She has a lovely voice which I could listen to for days (provided that the voice stays through testing); and 3.)  From what we've heard about her, I expect her to be somewhat haughty and willful, which we haven't really seen in a DA LI yet.  I'm all for a Vivienne LI option!

[Eragon-]

bluebeam wrote...

syllogi wrote...
[...]
There's nothing sexy to me about thinking that a lesbian scene was written to appeal to fourteen year old boys.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what I thought about Traynor's romance.

Anyway, trying to stay on topic (since this topic valiantly resisted over 50 pages without derailing to the point of being locked)... nobody else thinks Vivienne would be interesting as LI? No? Just me?

Not for me, no. From what little we have been shown of her,she seems like a very proud character - arrogant even. Don't get me wrong, I just love characters like her - who can back up their bragging - but, I just can't see her in a relationship with my femquisitor, at least, who will most probably have a strong personality - too much ego for the world to handle 

Again, not saying she won't go like bread and butter with somebody else's PC, just not mine. 

**this opinion is liable to change in light of any new information.

Modifié par Eragon-, 14 septembre 2013 - 08:33 .

[Ammonite]

bluebeam wrote...
 nobody else thinks Vivienne would be interesting as LI? No? Just me?

Well I do wonder if there's a soft, nougaty center underneath that supposedly haughty exterior, as opposed to another layer of haughty or a hard center. Not that I would mind so long as she's written well . 

[Bionuts]

Someone here doesn't like Traynor? Why?!?!?

It was a nice romance. Not the best in the world, but it was nice

[Angrywolves]

True about Morrigan .
Some people will do anything and sleep with anyone to gain money and power.
But when that's not on the line they tend to gravitate to their default choice .
I expect Morrigan to act bisexual in DAI.
Whether she's truly converted we probably won't be able be able to tell from her actions .
But I feel I misspoke , rotfl earlier and her default sexuality probably is still heterosexual.
As for 14 year old boys.......
You sneak and read your older sister's copy of "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex but Were Afraid to Ask", you spy on your older sister and her boyfriend when they think they're alone, you find a copy of Playboy/Penthouse among some neighbor's discarded magazines and you sneak it into your room, all the time fearing your mom or dad will catch you with it.
Rotfl.
But you don't think about romance in terms of courtship, wooing, giving gifts, that kind of thing.

[Angrywolves]

Yes I am double posting.
I intend to have my Inquisitors romance Viv at some point.
Right now we know 0 about her personality.

[Potato Cat]

daveliam wrote...

I definitely do!  For several reason:  1.)  I would love for a video game female who has african features to be the LI since it's so rare (yes, Isabela is also a PoC, but she has more mediterranean features); 2.)  She has a lovely voice which I could listen to for days (provided that the voice stays through testing); and 3.)  From what we've heard about her, I expect her to be somewhat haughty and willful, which we haven't really seen in a DA LI yet.  I'm all for a Vivienne LI option!

Same! I know she's my human's top potential LI. I used to want Cassandra, she's still no. 2 to be fair, (might be nice to have a female royal romance this time, and doubly interesting to have it S/S), but Vivienne's such a classy charatcer, she's perfect for my character. The only problem is that she's almost the same what I wanted my human mage to look like. I guess I can make her pale and ginger, (sort of ruins my dwarf's look but hey).

[bluebeam]

Bionuts wrote...

Someone here doesn't like Traynor? Why?!?!?

It was a nice romance. Not the best in the world, but it was nice

Don't get me wrong, I like Traynor as a character, it's the romance scene that gave me that impression. My Shepard just couldn't connect with her. It felt sort of a Kelly 2.0, there was no strong feeling. A nice romance for a Shepard who was feeling lonely in a time of war.

@daveliam: yup, pretty much the same reasons I have. Plus, yes, she's classy.

[Bionuts]

bluebeam wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I like Traynor as a character, it's the romance scene that gave me that impression. My Shepard just couldn't connect with her. It felt sort of a Kelly 2.0, there was no strong feeling. A nice romance for a Shepard who was feeling lonely in a time of war.

That's one thing that makes it good.

Most of my Shepards are somewhat detached from everything because of the responsibility they have on their shoulders.

[WildOrchid]

syllogi wrote...
as opposed to just copy-pasted from the het version of the same romance, I'd hope that the differences were subtle (maybe one or two lines), and I definitely wouldn't want to come away feeling like the romance scene was written to be more gratuitous and salacious than the heterosexual love scenes.  There's nothing sexy to me about thinking that a lesbian scene was written to appeal to fourteen year old boys.

This. This is something that annoyed me so much. I don't know how a relationship with a man is because i've never been with men but i've heard from women who have been with both women and men saying that there are so many differences between men and women.

My only wish with bisexual romances is that they should differ a little and not being the same to both female and male, just some few different lines and actions too. There wasn't any much difference with Isabela, Liara and Leliana and that was quite annoying. Hopefully Cass will react differently to a f!Inquisitor from the male one and not the same.

Bionuts wrote...

Someone here doesn't like Traynor? Why?!?!?

It was a nice romance. Not the best in the world, but it was nice

Sam was awesome, but her romance content was quite awful and felt kinda rushed. Also, the horrible shower scene. The flirting though was pure gold.

Modifié par WildOrchid, 14 septembre 2013 - 09:26 .

[KC_Prototype]

Lesbian Romances? I'm all in.

[philippe willaume]

syllogi wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Some months back someone said they wanted a female to female romance to feel like a lesbian romance .
I am a male so I don't know what that means.

Neither do I, and I am a lesbian.
I never understood how or why a romance can be more 'lesbian' than two women being together.
What a relationship is like depends on the personalities of the people involved, not their gender. *shakes head*

Personally, I've been with both men and women, and there's definitely a difference in the dynamic of a relationship that's two women, but I don't expect DA:I to feature conversations with a love interest where you get to talk about how fast your monthly cycles synced up after moving in (lol, sorry, but that's the first and most blatant example of a conversation I've never had with a guy ).

If I were to hope for a romance that written specifically for two female characters, as opposed to just copy-pasted from the het version of the same romance, I'd hope that the differences were subtle (maybe one or two lines), and I definitely wouldn't want to come away feeling like the romance scene was written to be more gratuitous and salacious than the heterosexual love scenes.  There's nothing sexy to me about thinking that a lesbian scene was written to appeal to fourteen year old boys.

Well I am a dude but I would agree with Blackrising, however it is a secondhand experience based on friends and trainning partners and using my own experience as reference.

That being said i like the idea of romance being more define in the relationship area in general but as far as difference relationship  depending on  Gay/bi/straight it might be difficult to avoid type casting stereotype, and i have to say that what I like in the "one romance to bind the all" is that gay and hetro couples are essentially about the same thing.

Phil

[SgtElias]

bluebeam wrote...

Anyway, trying to stay on topic (since this topic valiantly resisted over 50 pages without derailing to the point of being locked)... nobody else thinks Vivienne would be interesting as LI? No? Just me?

From the, like, two lines she had in the PAX demo, she sounds like she's (possibly?) voiced by Natasha Little (Sith Warrior in SW:TOR), and if so, I'd be up for romancing her for that reason alone. I love that woman's voice!

That said, I'm sort of hopeful about Sera (or blond elf shown in some of the concept art). She looks . . . fun!

Glad this thread made a reappearance.

[Blackrising]

philippe willaume wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Some months back someone said they wanted a female to female romance to feel like a lesbian romance .
I am a male so I don't know what that means.

Neither do I, and I am a lesbian.
I never understood how or why a romance can be more 'lesbian' than two women being together.
What a relationship is like depends on the personalities of the people involved, not their gender. *shakes head*

Personally, I've been with both men and women, and there's definitely a difference in the dynamic of a relationship that's two women, but I don't expect DA:I to feature conversations with a love interest where you get to talk about how fast your monthly cycles synced up after moving in (lol, sorry, but that's the first and most blatant example of a conversation I've never had with a guy ).

If I were to hope for a romance that written specifically for two female characters, as opposed to just copy-pasted from the het version of the same romance, I'd hope that the differences were subtle (maybe one or two lines), and I definitely wouldn't want to come away feeling like the romance scene was written to be more gratuitous and salacious than the heterosexual love scenes.  There's nothing sexy to me about thinking that a lesbian scene was written to appeal to fourteen year old boys.

Well I am a dude but I would agree with Blackrising, however it is a secondhand experience based on friends and trainning partners and using my own experience as reference.

That being said i like the idea of romance being more define in the relationship area in general but as far as difference relationship  depending on  Gay/bi/straight it might be difficult to avoid type casting stereotype, and i have to say that what I like in the "one romance to bind the all" is that gay and hetro couples are essentially about the same thing.

Phil

I'd generally approve of a bit of difference between romancing a character with a female and romancing that same character with a male, but DA2 already did that, didn't it?

I can't really speak for Anders and Fenris, as I haven't done their romance more than once while I romanced Isabela twice and Merrill...in every other playthrough.
For Merrill, we had the whole 'my clan would disapprove because our children would be human' vs. 'i could never compete with you' thing.
For Isabela, there was the 'excuse you, elf, Hawke likes Rivaini Rogues so back off you tramp' vs. 'meh' in MotA.
Granted, one of those was exclusive to the DLC, but it did happen.

My only problem with differences is that one romance dialouge might seem worse than the other. That might be a pretty subjective thing, but looking at these examples, it seems to me that FemHawke got a bit of a short end with Merrill, while ManHawke didn't get to enjoy seeing Isabela jealous.
It's not that big of a problem for me though, as long as it doesn't get too bad.

Bigger differences than what we had in DA2 might, in my opinion, be too much. We don't get enough romance scenes to really work out the subtle differences.

tl;dr
DA2 had enough of differences for me. I'm incredibly satisfied with how they handled it.

[Xilizhra]

Why do you think Femhawke got the short end with Merrill?