force mage was way better than arcane warrior. i mean you manipulated space
Arcane warriors, and other potential mage specs? Discussion thread
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#52
Posté 31 octobre 2013 - 05:56
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Shapeshifting had lots of potential
#53
Posté 31 octobre 2013 - 05:57
shapeshifter93
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Shapeshifting had lots of potential
#54
Posté 31 octobre 2013 - 06:00
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why there are so many necromancers lately?
#55
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 09:08
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Bring the Battle Mage spec back from DAA, and add some type of Conjuration or Summoning spec so I can summon Ash Wraiths or Desire Demons.
#56
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 09:14
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I want to do the Arcane Warrior + Blood mage Combo agian, that was awesome.
#57
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 09:39
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Personally I'd like to see Arcane Warrior return, potentially merged with Battlemage. Those two specs were a perfect combination. It should be nerfed though, being a near-indestructible avatar of annihilation is fun, but gets old after a while.
As for summoning classes, if we have a Necromancer or a Ranger, or have unique pet that the protag summons like in DA2, I would like to have the pet limit upgraded to one per party member on the consoles.
As for summoning classes, if we have a Necromancer or a Ranger, or have unique pet that the protag summons like in DA2, I would like to have the pet limit upgraded to one per party member on the consoles.
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#58
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 09:47
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If they bring it back it's needs a huge nerf, AW broke the game with shimmering shield. I wouldn't mind it being a mix of Battlemage's offensive abilities and AW ability to use armor if it returns as a class.
#59
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 10:14
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Every game so far has had a Dalish Mage companion with a Keeper Spec. In DA we had Velanna (and the warden himself could buy ancient elvhen secrets from a random human merchant no questions asked... wut) and obviously Merrill in DA2.rpgfan321 wrote...
I want Dalish Keeper back...
But would be awesome if they bring arcane warrior back because it was fun to wield swords while casting elemental spells.
I love the idea of being a stationary, close range, defensive mage that just sets up and says "come at me bro". I really hope they bring back the One With Nature Spell, that was my favorite.
As for Mage Specs, I hope Force mage is not a spec, but a regular spell tree. Its not impossible, or hard to understand.
- Blood Mage will obviously be a spec, not confirmed but come on we know.
- Arcane Warrior never appealed to me. A close range battle-mage does, but I thought they were boring in DAO.
- Spirit Healers must be getting huge changes, since health no longer regens they must be getting reworked.
- Shapeshifters are an awesome idea and I wish they weren't so weak in DAO. Would love to see them again.
- Battlemage and Arcane Warrior should be combined.
#60
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 11:34
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I think the goal of DA:I for specializations to have more in-game reactivity makes which specializations will be available more complicated.
Choosing to be a Blood Mage will trigger unique situations (you're a terrifying Blood Mage in a world where Blood Magic is taboo), same with choosing to be, say, a Spirit Healer (a rare phenomenon caused by forming a risky bond with a benevolent Spirit). So each specialization should have similarly compelling consequences. Unfortunately, I think compelling classes like Arcane Warrior could be out simply because it was so rare that only the Warden may have (or may not have) learned it. Keeper, too, could be out because of lore problems (unless there are race/class specific specializations).
I think for mage at least, there will be one or two morally 'neutral' specializations. I think they'll relate to more stereotypically non-circle magics. Like Hedge Mage or Shapeshifter or even Battle Mage. You'd get the reactivity of being a non-conventional mage, but you could inhabit a more grey area than Blood Magic or Spirit Healer.
To me, it seems like they may downplay the combat mechanics of a specialization to up-play the consequences your specialization has outside of combat. To do that they might increase the number of spell trees and spells outside of a specialization, so that your choices of non-specialization spells are more important for combat than your specialization.
My reason for saying this is that say you want to be a 'good', circle mage, but the only 'good' circle mage specialization is Spirit Healer than it seems limiting to force this player into healing. Likewise, say you want to role a misunderstood Blood Mage, it makes no sense to force them to do damage and not have access to healing. It's more compelling to make specializations affect aesthetics and interactions than combat roles. Also, it would allow specializations to give the player more choice over the type of Mage they make (Blood Mage healer or DPS) instead of making specializations limiting. In the end, a specialization might be more about 'feel' and less about combat role. This makes more sense with Warrior, as ideally any specialization should be able to tank or do damage, depending on out of specialization choices.
That said, I would love these specializations.
Blood Mage: makes your mana-pool larger and gives some unique mechanics along with a large amount of aesthetic changes related to using Blood Magic.
Spirit Healer: gives you access to emergency spells and mechanics along with interesting aesthetic changes related to a connection to Spirits.
Battle Mage: gives you access to better melee abilities and causes aesthetic changes related to melee magics.
Hedge Mage: gives you access to hex type abilities and causes aesthetic changes that reflect a 'wilder' magic style.
Choosing to be a Blood Mage will trigger unique situations (you're a terrifying Blood Mage in a world where Blood Magic is taboo), same with choosing to be, say, a Spirit Healer (a rare phenomenon caused by forming a risky bond with a benevolent Spirit). So each specialization should have similarly compelling consequences. Unfortunately, I think compelling classes like Arcane Warrior could be out simply because it was so rare that only the Warden may have (or may not have) learned it. Keeper, too, could be out because of lore problems (unless there are race/class specific specializations).
I think for mage at least, there will be one or two morally 'neutral' specializations. I think they'll relate to more stereotypically non-circle magics. Like Hedge Mage or Shapeshifter or even Battle Mage. You'd get the reactivity of being a non-conventional mage, but you could inhabit a more grey area than Blood Magic or Spirit Healer.
To me, it seems like they may downplay the combat mechanics of a specialization to up-play the consequences your specialization has outside of combat. To do that they might increase the number of spell trees and spells outside of a specialization, so that your choices of non-specialization spells are more important for combat than your specialization.
My reason for saying this is that say you want to be a 'good', circle mage, but the only 'good' circle mage specialization is Spirit Healer than it seems limiting to force this player into healing. Likewise, say you want to role a misunderstood Blood Mage, it makes no sense to force them to do damage and not have access to healing. It's more compelling to make specializations affect aesthetics and interactions than combat roles. Also, it would allow specializations to give the player more choice over the type of Mage they make (Blood Mage healer or DPS) instead of making specializations limiting. In the end, a specialization might be more about 'feel' and less about combat role. This makes more sense with Warrior, as ideally any specialization should be able to tank or do damage, depending on out of specialization choices.
That said, I would love these specializations.
Blood Mage: makes your mana-pool larger and gives some unique mechanics along with a large amount of aesthetic changes related to using Blood Magic.
Spirit Healer: gives you access to emergency spells and mechanics along with interesting aesthetic changes related to a connection to Spirits.
Battle Mage: gives you access to better melee abilities and causes aesthetic changes related to melee magics.
Hedge Mage: gives you access to hex type abilities and causes aesthetic changes that reflect a 'wilder' magic style.
#61
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 11:44
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I hope Spirit Healer comes back for sure and that we can give our companions at least one spec - particularly give the mages Spirit Healer. A large part of my hate for Anders stemmed from the fact that it felt like I HAD to bring him everywhere because unless you were a mage, he was the only one who could heal after Bethany leaves.
#62
Posté 21 novembre 2013 - 11:51
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The way I see it, AW has a chance at returning because of the devs mentioning that mages can equip armor. Now, unless they get rid of attribute requirements, how is a mage going to wear heavy armor? Nerf themselves by boosting STR? No, it's more likely that they'll have access to the AW spec. Just a guess, but it sounds reasonable.
As for other specs... I don't see them passing Spirit Healer and Blood Mage, as these are staples of the series. As much as I dislike Keeper, it'll probably be in. No idea what else... I mean, I'd prefer it if they just gave us all the previous specs for every class. Is there some reason why they need to limit the number of available specs?
As for other specs... I don't see them passing Spirit Healer and Blood Mage, as these are staples of the series. As much as I dislike Keeper, it'll probably be in. No idea what else... I mean, I'd prefer it if they just gave us all the previous specs for every class. Is there some reason why they need to limit the number of available specs?
#63
Posté 22 novembre 2013 - 01:11
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Of all mage specializations, the one I want back the most would be shapeshifter. Next would probably be Keeper for One With Nature and Arcane Warrior because mages with swords are always cool.
Although it didn't seem as though any other specialization worked well as a second specialization for Shapeshifter.
Although it didn't seem as though any other specialization worked well as a second specialization for Shapeshifter.
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#64
Posté 22 novembre 2013 - 01:24
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I honestly don't want "balanced" magic. With that, you wind up with disasters like Skyrim's Destruction school, with it's absurdly high cost to mediocre damage ratio.
Arcane Warrior might have been "broken", but it was fun. Breaking the game isn't necessarily a bad thing, otherwise things like Cone of Cold would've been gone.
Arcane Warrior might have been "broken", but it was fun. Breaking the game isn't necessarily a bad thing, otherwise things like Cone of Cold would've been gone.
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Posté 22 novembre 2013 - 01:33
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They felt the need to remove a lot of specs for DA2, so its quite possible they could the same for DA:I. I felt that Shapeshifter was a staple in DA:O considering Morrigan was one and Flemeth was a really powerful one but it didn't return.Icy Magebane wrote...
The way I see it, AW has a chance at returning because of the devs mentioning that mages can equip armor. Now, unless they get rid of attribute requirements, how is a mage going to wear heavy armor? Nerf themselves by boosting STR? No, it's more likely that they'll have access to the AW spec. Just a guess, but it sounds reasonable.
As for other specs... I don't see them passing Spirit Healer and Blood Mage, as these are staples of the series. As much as I dislike Keeper, it'll probably be in. No idea what else... I mean, I'd prefer it if they just gave us all the previous specs for every class. Is there some reason why they need to limit the number of available specs?
#66
Posté 22 novembre 2013 - 03:37
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While I like the idea of blending a mage with a warrior, I really didn't like the arcane warrior. Wearing armour was cool (if for no other reason than the fact that mage robes looked pretty lame), but having no offensive abilities other than auto attack wasn't very satisfying. The arcane warrior spec spent too much energy on making a mage into a warrior that it didn't really offer anything cool/interesting in and of itself.
