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[TheRealJayDee]

Encounters that make sense.

[LightningSamus]

Mixture.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I would like the stamina/mana bat to replenish itself over time for each class. Playing warrior my companions tended to steal my kills, half the time I couldn't restore it until after the fight.

[Cyberarmy]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Encounters that make sense.

You have been waylaid by enemies and must defens yourselves.

But make them like Fallout ones, random. In DA:O they were all the same...

[SpunkyMonkey]

A tactical system based on DA:O

Personally I thought it was actually a tad too fast and needed more umph regards power to feel better.

Eg - 2H Warrior skill "Critical Charge" - Similar to "Ram" by the Orgre, but hits easier on larger opponents, whereas smaller/faster ones can avoid it easier.  The visuals could really see this warrior running at an opponent and sinking their blade deep into them. A proper feel of connection and strength. Think Dark Sustenance but on opponents. It would also be nice of we got more visual repreisentation of the actions - eg a warrior who had an attack which lowered an oppoents defence could knock their shield flying or remove a limb.

Mages throwing darkspawn around the battlefield, rogues setting traps up and then luring oppenents into them.

That epic type of feel needs slower pacing but would feel so mint. Think more Darth Vader Vs Luke in ROTJ than a Jackie Chan film

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:28 .

[obZen DF]

Cameron Lee wrote...

Thanks for another thread of constructive comments! If it stay’s focused on what you’d like for combat in DA3 it will be useful for the combat team and I’ll make sure your thoughts are passed to them.

It's good to see that you are taking this into account. I'm really happy that this thread turned into a constructive feedback
thread. I think it's safe to say that the majority of this thread want the over the top animations to be scrapped. Those really felt like a manga kind of thing. 
Some things I like to add:
- Cooldown for potions for the whole party was a little lame. If my Hawke used a potion, why did Varric have to wait to use his?

- Enemy Assassins with a ridicilous amount of health on higher difficulties need to be gone in my opinion.
Assassins (Rogues in particular) aren't tanks, so when I have a great tactic to kill the Assassin first, don't give me a hard time doing it because he won't die. And when I'm almost done, they use potions!

Also, it's good to hear that the dev team is taking their time for DA3. I think everyone would rather have an amazing game and wait longer than a rushed game with short waiting time. Because let's be honest, DA2 was the latter. 

[Andros_Hanarak]

I loved the combat speed in DA2, not the explosive bodies. I usually always play a Mage so hopefully you keep the combat animations for mages from DA2 and improve/mix it with DA:O. Some new spells would be good too.

[Draela]

Assuming Bioware is building from DA2's active system, then have the classes make use out of the mobility that the combat allows, have rogues leave traps as they activate skills/have a trap tree to set up den of traps and use a warrior's provoke to lead enemies into it, have mages grief enemies by altering the terrain (ice can cause trip ups, people won't be so eager to run into a fire fields etc.) These can lead into great tactical overviews, or fast-paced character swapping in the heat of battle however you prefer.

[SpunkyMonkey]

DA:O's combat wasn't far off the mark IMO - 8.8/10 for me It just needed that little bit extra and a few tweaks to make it perfect.

E.G. Cone of Cold and the shatter combos were ace, but you were thrown a curve ball every so often where they failed which would force you to re-think your stratergy - excellent stuff and stuff like this just needed to happen a bit more often.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Absafraginlootly]

I don't want witcher 2 combat. I like witcher 2, but I don't really enjoy it's combat(don't hate it either), It's just what I go through to get to the plot. Whereas I enjoyed the combat of both dragon age games. I'd hate it if dragon age followed witcher's example and removed pause in combat.

I do miss being able to move the camera independantly of the selected character. It made it much easier to aim AOE spells.

I also found wasn't too fond of combat waves, I'd do what I did with origins, pause to consider the battle before me, but then after I'd decided on how to attack and unleashed all my area of affects, debuffs etc. A bunch of extra enemies would just pop into existance. It was tiresome, they made combat longer not more interesting

Edit: Oh, I also found it wierd when bodies would explode into itty bits when a stabbed them.

Modifié par Absafraginlootly, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:28 .

[Poleaxe]

No crazy animations. No enemies appearing from nowhere. No crazy weapon sizes.

Combat speed faster than Origins, slower than II. Whatever the intentions of II, in practice it didn't feel tactical at all. I never switched characters, I just button mashed.

[Marbazoid]

Improve the information available to the player.

• Be consistent with "cast bars". Any ability that is channelled and is not instant should have a cast bar, regardless of the class. 

• Be consistent with displaying the radius of abilities. Warrior aoe abilities should have cone and circle aoe markers just like mage spells.

• Let me queue up multiple commands for each character to add more meaning to the tactical pause function. In
  addition add in the option for the game to automatically pause if any of the parties command queues are empty.

• Give us a combat log.

• Give us as much documentation as you can on how game systems work.

Make combat look good.

• Tone down the speed and over the top animations. Make enemies and party members react to each-other in
  melee combat. Spawning clash animations (like how melee combat works in SWTOR) dodges, blocks ect.

• Bring back sync kills, but restrict it to the last enemy of a certain encounter to ensure it does not take control of a party member away in combat.

Modifié par Marbazoid, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:40 .

[Ianamus]

I just want them to keep the pace of Dragon Age 2's combat (Maybe make it a little bit slower) and to tone down some of the more ridiculous animations. Enemies shouldn't explode upon death when hit by a rogue or warrior. Cross class combo's are alright, but maybe the system can be improved.

Hopefully the waves will be gone. Apparently the DLC's handled this well, but I never played them so I never saw how it was changed.

Modifié par EJ107, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Zenon]

Even though I love the ME3 combat, I'd prefer "old school" strategic combat for a game like Dragon Age.

I'd vote for 80% DA:O and 20% DA2/ME style. I wonder if it would be possible to give an option for having either action oriented combat like in DA2, or strategic (turn based) combat like in DA:O?

[InfinitePaths]

obZen DF wrote...

I personally prefer the DA:O combat to DA2's. It's much and much more tactical. I didn't really like the 'A' button spamming of DA2, especially as a Rogue, but it has some good points though.

For me, the combat from Witcher 2 is what I like to see.  Tactical, with control of your character's actions. So, the answer would be 'a mixture of both'.

Would you like the DA:O style, the DA2 style, or a mixture of both?

DAO tactics and DA2 combos and medium paced combat speed.

[Aulis Vaara]

One of the most important things I want for combat is the same abilities for enemies and allies. If you have overpowered spells, some enemies should have them too. Your mage should not be multiple times more powerful than those against you.

Also, no auto-levelling enemies. That only makes levelling completely pointless. Instead, adjust the enemy groups dynamically based on what level you are. Add enemies designed to single you out as you grow stronger. Also don't make the player character grow exponentially. Find a balance between making the PC stronger and them never completely outclassing mooks. Adding powerful enemies who are there only for the player character (which works perfectly storywise as the player character becomes more well known!) will take care of the rest of the power difference.

Designing encounters like this would automatically add (some) tactics back into the gameplay. And maybe, if you can, add reasons why you would want to take out a certain enemy first, and reasons why you shouldn't or why it's risky to do so.

Finally, please don't have any hit or miss spells or abilities. Make their effect variable rather than negating them completely. Nothing sucks more than putting time and resources into spells that never seem to hit (sleep and paralyse type spells mostly). Especially when you can invest in spells that DO always hit, or even just simply attack (which always works). Paralysis is indeed powerful, but a resistant enemy should be under its influence shorter, rather than not being affected at all. Hell, maybe it'll only interrupt its current action and not freeze it at all, and that would be fine, so long as it does *something*. Spells should be worth the investment, you shouldn't have to curse because simply attacking is more efficient in combat. I'm even a proponent of not letting mages attack at all, instead depending completely on spells (and meditation to more rapidly regenerate mana when you run out).

[Nerevar-as]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

One of the most important things I want for combat is the same abilities for enemies and allies. If you have overpowered spells, some enemies should have them too. Your mage should not be multiple times more powerful than those against you.

You have a point. While some spells/powers are just too powerful to give them to the enemy (I.e Mana Clash, or Singularity/ Lift in ME1), I think both PCs and enemy following the same creation/combat rules helps a lot. DA2 was really stupid with enemies with hundreds/thousands of HP who hit only in the tens (it also made skills to make them fight each other almost pointless), while Hawke and co were the opposite. It was quite immersion breaking for me.

[freche]

 The short answer would be mixture of both.
I liked the more tactical aspect from DA1 but it was a bit too slow and it felt un-responsive.They changed combat quite a bit for DA2, for the better in my opinion. But they overdid it, it's too fast and therefor it's really hard to implement good tactical combat.

For DA3 i'd like to see
1. Faster then DA1 but slower then DA2.
2. Bring back tactial combat, this is probably the hardest one since it would require much better AI then we have seen in DA, better teamwork from NPCs so that they don't need a million HP that just becomes rediculus after a while.

AI and some Combat tweaks:
The AI in DA2 was quite poor and the NPCs quite stupid.
1. If I'm in the front chopping enemies with my big axe and my friend decides to join I will most likely try not to chop him too. So there should only be a small chance that I hit him, something like a fumble. (This goes for normal type of attacks, if I would do something like a whirlwind attack then I probably would hit him).

2. Another note is that when my friend is running up to me he also might decide it's not the best of ideas to run straight into my axe.

3. Similar thing with Spells, my friendly mage in the backline notices that there are three enemies fighting me and my friend and he knows that a cluster of enemies & fireball = good, but instead of aiming it straight on the cluster hitting the enemies AND me he could actually aim it behind the enemies hitting ONLY them.

Another thing I'd love to see is that Companions have some sort of learning combined with the normal "Tactical" setup. If they notice that a particular kind of monster is immune to an attack type then they might decide it's better to use something else. Same goes if they have weaknesses then the companions might prioritise that over other things.
Eg. My stupid mage friend has speciallised in Frost and Arcane, I have told him to use his frost spells first when we engage combat, so our first encounter with an Ice Elemental he starts with Ice blast followed up by cone of cold, the next Ice elemental he does the same thing even though it's immune too all frost spells he casts.
If he hadn't been so stupid he might have done a mental note that Ice Blast was usless so was CoC so lets not use them on Ice Elementals.

SUMMARY
Less HP on enemies on harder difficulties.
Less Stupidity among NPCs.
Better designed friendly fire.
Combine the normal Tactics setup with some sort of learning for what creatures strenghts and weaknesses are for more intelligent priorites.

Modifié par freche, 18 septembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[WahookaTheGreat]

I want auto attack and ability to pause in combat. I probably have been saying that already in some other thread but it is important to me. Dragon age and hack'n slash don't belong to same sentence.

And I must say that combat should be slower than DA2. At least give the option to slow combat down. New engine should be able to do that...

[jaikss]

Main thing would be they focus on one or the other,action or tactical combat,and go with it.I felt like DA2 was trying to be both,and ended up not playing to the strenghts of either.Judging from some of the tweets,they seem to be going for the more tactical approach,so what I'd like to see:

-Same rules for enemies
-Toned down animations
-Ability to properly assess the battlefield,e.g isometric,or atleast a detachable camera
-Combat speed slightly toned down,6-7/10 where 0 is DAO and 10 is DA2
-friendly fire the default gamemode.
-Ability queue!

[obZen DF]

Another thing I like from DA2 compared to Origins, is the fact that I can single handedly give orders to my companions as to where to go. In Origins, you could only select the whole party if you wanted to send the mage away from the battlefield. In DA2, it was great to send my mage to that corner, and my Vengeance Anders to the other corner of the battlefield. It worked great on boss battles. Divide your whole team, so that 3 of the 4 companions can concentrate on the boss, while the targeted companion runs around. So much fun.

In my opinion, that mechanic was a huge improvement! So, keep that please

[Vilegrim]

Realistic weapon use, not the 'flailing madly at the air' of DA2, but the meaty swings, thrusts and impacts of DA:O

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Some people want casual and some want hard core. If you are a casual player your probably not going to want to sit there and have to direct your companions all the time so make casual mode less tactical and as you progress in difficulty then add in the need for more tactical play.

[Raydenos256]

The finishing moves is a must be feature!!!!

[Apollo Starflare]

A mixture, there are elements of both I would like to see return.