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[Renmiri1]

 I have it on a DA2 Codex

Modifié par Renmiri1, 17 septembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[Madcat 124]

IS there any way to make that biggeR?

[Most Definitely Sane]

Yes and no.

Templars used to be Inquisitors.
Not all Inquisitors were Templars.

[CyanidPontifex]

From what I understand the "Inquisition" was an independent organization that was later broken into the Templars and the Seekers when they joined the Chantry.

[Renmiri1]

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riccaborto wrote...

Codex text

Ser Whitmore,

When I mentioned powers greater than the templars, I didn't mean the Chantry. Sure they command the templars, but that was not always so—the Inquisition once hunted heretics and cultists as well as mages, and their reign of terror ended only with the inception of the Circle of Magi. They became the Templar Order, for good or ill the watchers of the mages and the martial arm of the Chantry.

It was a mutually beneficial arrangement, but few know that the Chantry created yet another order to watch over the templars: the Seekers of Truth. I know little of them myself, but I can say the following things with certainty: they serve the Divine and they are feared. When a Seeker steps from the shadows, templars run for cover—because why would he come unless the templars somehow failed in their duties? Seekers are extremely effective investigating abuses within the Circle and hunting particularly evasive apostates. It's said they are immune to a blood mage's mind control and possess the ability to read minds or erase memories, but this is likely exaggeration.So we return to my original dilemma. Who watches powers greater than that of the templars? One assumes it's the Divine, but how much could She know about their activities when their very existence is a mystery to most?

—A letter from an unknown priest, found in the Grand Cathedral archives, 8:80 Blessed

AFTER READING THIS... DON'T YOU THINK IY WOULD BE JUST AMAZING TO PLAY A SEEKER IN DA3?

Modifié par Renmiri1, 17 septembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[Gabey5]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Yes and no.

Templars used to be Inquisitors.
Not all Inquisitors were Templars.

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I assume the Inquistoirs were a smaller branch within the order.

Modifié par Gabey5, 17 septembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[R2s Muse]

No, OP is correct, but when there were inquisitors, there were no templars. The Inquisition turned into the Templar Order and the Seekers of Truth after they accepted the rule of the Chantry. It was at that time they created the Circles. Check out the wiki.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:34 .

[Face of Evil]

Yes, the Templar Order became the Inquisition.

@V: Right, I mis-spoke.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:23 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

^
Other way around.

[Renmiri1]

So is DA3 going back in time ? I hope not, prequels usually are ****

[TEWR]

The Inquisition were the precursors to the Templar Order. The Chantry -- after it was officially formed by Drakon and his Exalted Marches to conquer what is now Orlais, wherein the first Divine was named after the Grand Cathedral's completion -- approached the Inquisition and took them under their banner.

Thus, they became the Templar Order. Now, after a millenia of that, the Templar Order has declared the Nevarran Accord null and void and broken away from the Chantry to hunt the mages.

By effect of no longer belonging to the Chantry, hunting the Mages, and everything else they've done or will do, they have gone back to the days of the Inquisition -- a terror among the populace, made worse by their reliance on lyrium and the withdrawal that will come with it now that they have severed their ties with the only people who gave them lyrium without them also having to expend a great deal of sovereigns.

Hence why I call them the New Inquisition.

Renmiri1 wrote...

So is DA3 going back in time ? I hope not, prequels usually are ****

It's not.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Renmiri1]

Lambert broke the Navarran Accord but he dies (probably) soon after

[R2s Muse]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Lambert broke the Navarran Accord but he dies (probably) soon after

Right, as TEWR pointed out, when the Nevarran Accord was signed it turned the Inquisition into the Templars and the Seekers. The Templars to watch over the newly formed Circle, and the Seekers to watch over the Templars. When Lambert broke it (which was signed and sent before he might have met his end), essentially that means that the seekers and the Templars are free to deal with the mages as they see fit, according to Lambert.

It's an open question what the new Inquisition will be. I feel, like TEWR, that the new Templar order will become an Inquisition again, with the goal of now hunting the mages instead of training and incarcerating them. According to the Seeker of Truth codex, the orig Inquisition had a reign of terror, which suggests to me very dark things in store. But it also doesn't seem likely that our new PC would start out as part of something so dark. So we'll have to see if the past repeats itself, and if so, in what way.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 septembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Lambert broke the Navarran Accord but he dies (probably) soon after

Right, as TEWR pointed out, when the Nevarran Accord was signed it turned the Inquisition into the Templars and the Seekers. The Templars to watch over the newly formed Circle, and the Seekers to watch over the Templars. When Lambert broke it (which was signed and sent before he might have met his end), essentially that means that the seekers and the Templars are free to deal with the mages as they see fit, according to Lambert.

It's an open question what the new Inquisition will be. I feel, like TEWR, that the new Templar order will become an Inquisition again, with the goal of now hunting the mages instead of training and incarcerating them. According to the Seeker of Truth codex, the orig Inquisition had a reign of terror, which suggests to me very dark things in store. But it also doesn't seem likely that our new PC would start out as part of something so dark. So we'll have to see if the past repeats itself, and if so, in what way.

Hopefully our new PC will have the option to join whatever side they so choose. It's going to be a madhouse. The Templars are no longer guarding the Chantry so then what? It's up to the Seekers? Lambert yanked that too. There surely must be some from each faction that cling to the original ideals of each. Some that follow the Divine. Some that follow no one. I'm very anxious to see how the devs have written this!

[Renmiri1]

I keep thinking the First Warden will somehow get involved...

It is impossible for Wardens to have survived 400 years with no Blight, if they were not savvy and well informed about politics in Thedas. I think even though low level Wardens are told to never interfere, the heads of the Order pretty much have to interfere or at least be aware of any possible threat that would affect readiness for a Blight.

First Wardens getting involved (and possibly siding with mages) would make for a fascinating twist too 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:00 .

[Dave of Canada]

The initial Inquisition rose up during a time of chaos, their methods were related to the time which it had been spawned in. These were men and women who grew tired of the Old Gods, the blood mages and their cults shortly after the Blight had ended and Tevinter was left at it's weakest--they hunted every sign of magic and made sure to extinguish it.

Though the Chantry codex does mention their "reign of terror", it's important to note the codex was written by a priest centuries after the fact and could simply try to paint them in a negative light to raise the Templar and the Seekers up.

Modern-day Templar Order wouldn't be similar to the Inquisitors of the past, as they both come from very different backrounds and lifestyles. Most Templar would likely view their hunt for mages as their sacred duty, rather than say... hunting mages to kill them, possibly out of spite for everything wrong in the world / their tyranny.

Renmiri1 wrote...

Lambert broke the Navarran Accord but he dies (probably) soon after

I'd like to imagine Lambert survived the attack, placing him in a vegetative state which only magic can save. The irony would be delicious and I'd like to meet the man.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Though the Chantry codex does mention their "reign of terror", it's important to note the codex was written by a priest centuries after the fact and could simply try to paint them in a negative light to raise the Templar and the Seekers up.

Gaider's mentioned a few times that they did, in fact, use some very brutal and fear-inducing methods before the Chantry stepped in.

Dave of Canada wrote...

The initial Inquisition rose up during a time of chaos, their methods were related to the time which it had been spawned in. These were men and women who grew tired of the Old Gods, the blood mages and their cults shortly after the Blight had ended and Tevinter was left at it's weakest--they hunted every sign of magic and made sure to extinguish it.

This is true. The people at this time did view magic with a great deal of hostility. The Inquisition certainly are no exceptions to that.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Modern-day Templar Order wouldn't be similar to the Inquisitors of the past, as they both come from very different backrounds and lifestyles. Most Templar would likely view their hunt for mages as their sacred duty, rather than say... hunting mages to kill them, possibly out of spite for everything wrong in the world / their tyranny.

Well, they're not exactly the same but they are indeed similar. So much so that the similarities outweigh the differences. They're going to hunt down and kill the Mages, no doubt cause more fear and panic among the populace, and return Thedas to some very dark days what with the advent of the Mage-Templar War.

The Templars will be seen less and less as stalwart protectors of the meek, and more and more as drug-addled fanatics who will do whatever it takes to ensure their goals -- and their needs -- are met.

No doubt you'll have Mages also souring things as well. Hopefully, we'll see elements of all types. The people on both sides who are blights on each group, the people who help improve the reputations of both groups, the people who have broken away to do more noble things, maybe a sect of Resolutionists allied with Tevinter, and other permutations that this war will no doubt bring to light.

As well as the revelation that Andraste was a Somniari Blood Mage OGB....

...that may or may not be Flemeth.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 septembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[brushyourteeth]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The initial Inquisition rose up during a time of chaos, their methods were related to the time which it had been spawned in. These were men and women who grew tired of the Old Gods, the blood mages and their cults shortly after the Blight had ended and Tevinter was left at it's weakest--they hunted every sign of magic and made sure to extinguish it.

Though the Chantry codex does mention their "reign of terror", it's important to note the codex was written by a priest centuries after the fact and could simply try to paint them in a negative light to raise the Templar and the Seekers up.

Agree. Every piece of information we have about the first Inquisition is that their methods, though possibly brutal, were begun in an effort to protect a population that was being terrorized by the improper use of magic.

I will say, though, (and this isn't directed at you at all, Dave) that I think it's a mistake to automatically affiliate the disenfranchised Templars and Seekers with the Inquisition.

The DA:III Inquisition seems, by all accounts, to be a group of people dedicated to ending the mage/templar conflict by a much more creative means than picking on mages and shaking down merchants for lyrium fixes.

[TEWR]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Agree. Every piece of information we have about the first Inquisition is that their methods, though possibly brutal, were begun in an effort to protect a population that was being terrorized by the improper use of magic.

Use of magic, yes. Improper? Not so much. Not all of the Mages that banded together during this time were using their magic for malicious purposes.

brushyourteeth wrote...

The DA:III Inquisition seems, by all accounts, to be a group of people dedicated to ending the mage/templar conflict by a much more creative means than picking on mages and shaking down merchants for lyrium fixes.

A different name for the group would've solved any confusion, if that is indeed the case.

Like calling the group The Swords of Truthiness.

[brushyourteeth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Agree. Every piece of information we have about the first Inquisition is that their methods, though possibly brutal, were begun in an effort to protect a population that was being terrorized by the improper use of magic.

Use of magic, yes. Improper? Not so much. Not all of the Mages that banded together during this time were using their magic for malicious purposes.

I have no doubt that you're right, and I'm sure I'd have disagreed with the ban on all magic active at the time. But the codexes referencing the history of the templars, the seekers, and the Divine Age Inquisition claim that abominations and maliciously-used magic was making life terrible for the common folk, and the Divine Age Inquisitors simply got fed up with standing by and decided to hunt them down rather than watch them terrorize the populace. What they deteriorated into later is probably another story. Age-old tale of good intentions and the power that corrupts, y'know?

brushyourteeth wrote...

The DA:III Inquisition seems, by all accounts, to be a group of people dedicated to ending the mage/templar conflict by a much more creative means than picking on mages and shaking down merchants for lyrium fixes.

A different name for the group would've solved any confusion, if that is indeed the case.

Like calling the group The Swords of Truthiness.

LOL. I couldn't agree more! Maybe they're not super familiar with the whole history of their namesake, or maybe they just picked up the name because it holds some authority in Thedas. Maybe they actually want people to be afraid -- that can be pretty handy, even if their motives are good or neutral ones. Who knows?

Regardless, I'm expecting more *inquiring* out of the Dragon Age Inquisition and less *ruthless mage hunting/raping/general being-a-jerk-to-ing*

Which also, frankly, sounds much more fun (and likely) to play!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:02 .

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

Why is Anders topless!

[Renmiri1]

AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

Why is Anders topless!

Because .. reasons! 

I find it interesting that the old Inquisitors order name is being used. Makes it seem like the new order will be dark and menacing.