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Reaverwind wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

For starters, how about a return to more normal LI's? And more self-confident males, while we're at it. Women got a raw deal in DA2, what with both males needing serious counseling and/or shock therapy.

Return implying that there were ever any normal LI in the game. Alistair is far from confident and will avoid responsibility if possible, Zevran is a ruthless killer who has a fetish for leather, Morrigan is a sadistic witch without any moral, Lelianna hears voices in her head and an assassin who pretend to be a sister. I don't even have to mention anyone in DA2. LIs in DA series ALL have serious issues. :lol:


I did say more normal. :P Sure, Alistair was written too much as a bumbling teen, Zev was ruthless killer, Morrigan was a shrew, and Leliana needed to lay off the spiked cool-aid, but they were sane, and more importantly, sometimes funny. The LI's in DA2 were anything but.

DA2 is not that crazy asides from Anders, I think. Isabela is just a ****, Merrill only becomes a bloodmage to help her clan, Fenris was an angry slave. I do agree that romancing any of them asides from Isabela give you a lot of headaches since they always complain about their problems. They need to be more understanding toward you instead of piling on to your problems. :pinched:

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

For starters, how about a return to more normal LI's? And more self-confident males, while we're at it. Women got a raw deal in DA2, what with both males needing serious counseling and/or shock therapy.


It takes rather a lot of self-confidence to stir up revolutionary sentiment in inflammatory pamphlets, then blow up a civic building and ignite a war.

Forever no to "normal" LIs in BioWare games.


Heh, give them a bone and let them have an Aveline / Jacob LI. But keep our possessed mages and traumatized ex-slaves around :wub:

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Love interests in general - I would expect deep, engaging romance arcs that progress at a rate that is natural to the character in question:

Of course, certain wants require deep, engaging characters: It's to be expected that certain companions will receive less content than others - It occurred in the Mass Effect franchise and in Dragon Age - but it would be nice if all the characters had multiple dimensions to their personalities.

It's horrible entering into a romance, believing that you'll uncover the deepest emotions, beliefs and richest histories of the desired companion, only to discover that the character is exactly what it says on the tin..... It can be somewhat... Disappointing?

I certainly hope that characters on the whole receive the attention that they deserve (hopefully without the main plot suffering), because rich characters make for rich relationships, be their friendships or romances. Once deep, vibrant, multi-dimensional characters have been written, it's fairly simply for everything else to fall into place, no?

Something that doesn't fall into place, however, is the unique characteristics of each companion:

It was better in Dragon Age 2, the game recognised that Fenris and Isabela, as the characters they are, were not likely to sacrifice their independence to move in with Hawke, no matter how much they loved them. This is something that a lot of people complained about, but recognition of the differences between characters should be always play a factor in interactions and progression.

It would be nice to see that trend continue into this third installment of the franchise - Companions and characters with their own strongly defined, and completely unique, personalities would obviously approach relationships (of any kind) in different ways. It's to be expected, it's a necessity that I feel is often overlooked.

Progression through the relationships should be as different and unique to each character as the dialogue itself. These characters are different, they're all unique. They aren't one single entity and they should never be treated as such - Relationships should progress differently, and they should each reach their own individual climax (pardon the pun) that is unique to each character.

Speaking of progression - The progression of interaction and dialogue itself should be addressed as well

A note on the progression itself: It would be nice if it wasn't entirely scheduled, but a scheduled system of some kind is required to maintain a natural flow and prevent dialogue running thin at the mid-way point of the game.

It's extremely irritating to find that the only limitations on dialogue available are a poorly scripted "Affection" system, that is easily overridden with the power of a few gifts, making the content easily available and often entirely consumed in half an hour. It's equally irritating to find yourself interacting with your companions on a scheduled basis, making the progression feel clunky and unnatural.

There needs to be balance between Companion Initiated Dialogue, scheduled to ensure that the content is not entirely consumed in a ridiculously short time-span, completely ruining any sense of natural progression for relationships (friendly or otherwise). And Player Initiated Dialogue to allow for a natural flow of progression that Players themselves wish to experience.


In very specific terms of what I would like to see in a love interest? Race doesn't matter, neither does gender, I would like all of the above ranting, and a companion with a great deal of bluff and bluster, hiding a deep sense of loss and a soul shattering pain.

Someone bitter and angry, but shielded by humour, arrogance or wit. Someone who is openly fun amongst the inevitable crazies, yet also suffers from pains and torments themselves. Instead of being dominated by their tragedies, they hide it all behind fake smiles and charming misdirection.

Basically - Someone dashing, charming, a little bit arrogant(but not too much) and fun on the surface, yet deep, complex and astonishingly different the more you learn about them.

And now that I have ranted 'til the cows came home, about things that I consider romantic requirements and my own personal taste in love interest - I will go away, and never return. There is enough text in this post to last you many life-times, and as a result I am no longer needed. I apologise for the length of this post, and as always, I salute those of you that are capable of reading the entire thing.

*Bows*

I'd really love to know how I manage to write so much stuff about an aspect of the game that I rarely pursue, except for the sake of additional dialogue content. O.o

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:56 .


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I want a bad boy.
Give me someone who's sexy, mysterious, and bad ass.
He never plays by the rules does what he wants all the time and he has a dark past.
Somebody who looks like: 
this
or this 
Or maybe this?
I don't know, there's something about me and bad boys. :pinched:

Modifié par iPoohCupCakes, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:43 .


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iPoohCupCakes wrote...

I want a bad boy.
Give me someone who's sexy, mysterious, and bad ass.
He never plays by the rules does what he wants all the time and he has a dark past.
Somebody who looks like: 
this
or this 
Or maybe this?
I don't know, there's something about me and bad boys. :pinched:



Dante? They may as well put Edward Cullen in ther, although you can hardly tell the difference with the new Dante's emo look. :lol:

I kid, I kid. I do agree about a mysterious badass though. There is a certain charm to chaotic neutral characters.

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A LI voiced by Gideon Emery please!!!

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iPoohCupCakes wrote...

I want a bad boy.
Give me someone who's sexy, mysterious, and bad ass.
He never plays by the rules does what he wants all the time and he has a dark past.
Somebody who looks like: 
this

I don't know, there's something about me and bad boys. :pinched:

Oh my! this is captain Aizen! Greatest evil genius in history.:wizard:
Image IPB

Modifié par Dubozz, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .


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iPoohCupCakes wrote...

I want a bad boy.
Give me someone who's sexy, mysterious, and bad ass.
He never plays by the rules does what he wants all the time and he has a dark past.
Somebody who looks like: 
this
or this 
Or maybe this?
I don't know, there's something about me and bad boys. :pinched:




Well... Fenris has a dark past, is mysterious and I guess that his tattoos have badass effects?

I'd like somebody interesting. An attractive character is always nice, of course, but one of the things romances are for is to explore a character in a new light. That means i'd like someone who has something to be explored. I love the feeling of watching a character being developed in a way that only someone as close as a lover can, and I found that DA II did that very well.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...


iPoohCupCakes wrote...

I want a bad boy.
Give me someone who's sexy, mysterious, and bad ass.
He never plays by the rules does what he wants all the time and he has a dark past.
Somebody who looks like: 
this
or this 
Or maybe this?
I don't know, there's something about me and bad boys. :pinched:



Dante? They may as well put Edward Cullen in ther, although you can hardly tell the difference with the new Dante's emo look. :lol:

I kid, I kid. I do agree about a mysterious badass though. There is a certain charm to chaotic neutral characters.

There's something about Dante that I just can't resist! :lol:
Yes, I'm really hoping that we get a bad boy in there i'm tired of the soft sensitive guys :? 
But keep Cullen! Cullen can stay. ;)

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

For starters, how about a return to more normal LI's? And more self-confident males, while we're at it. Women got a raw deal in DA2, what with both males needing serious counseling and/or shock therapy.


It takes rather a lot of self-confidence to stir up revolutionary sentiment in inflammatory pamphlets, then blow up a civic building and ignite a war.

Forever no to "normal" LIs in BioWare games.

I think what Reaverwind means is that both Anders and Fenris seemed to be grasping at straws in their relationship with Hawke, rather than being someone who actually admired and enjoyed the company of him/her.

They were both looking for security. A protector from the templars/slavers. A slice of normalcy in their generally crazy histories. Anders especially really wanted to be in love because he'd always been forbidden it in the past.

... not exactly complimentary, or the foundation for a super-healthy relationship. It'd be nice to romance someone who is a complete and secure person before they begin flirting with you. Someone who gives you some relief from the drama rather than piling it on.

I agree with Brushyourteeth. Im also hoping to have Cullen as a LI. To me he seemed confident for the most part. I think he'll make a excellent companion (bad Ass) warrior! Templares are supposed to watch over mages. He can watch my mage anytime! So Im hoping he will be our crutch watch out for our Protagonist.

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iPoohCupCakes wrote...

I want a bad boy.
Give me someone who's sexy, mysterious, and bad ass.
He never plays by the rules does what he wants all the time and he has a dark past.
Somebody who looks like: 
this
or this 
Or maybe this?
I don't know, there's something about me and bad boys. :pinched:



Throw in a guy Character that resembles Jason Mamoa and Im with ya.

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I expect what BioWare usually delivers for romances, that being 'three trigger conversations and a night in the sack'.

As for personalities, I expect one confident personality, who is their own person and expects to be treated as a partner (Isabela), a self-absorbed man-child who thinks the world revolves around him and his issues, and expects you to validate him on every subject (Anders), and a broken LI with deep pain that needs you to 'fix' them (Fenris). There will probably also be a cute, naive girl who crushes on you and is always too flustered to say what she feels until the end (Merrill). Most, if not all of them will have their sexuality determined by whatever gender you choose, instead of being exclusively straight or gay.

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Dhiro wrote...

** snip **

 one of the things romances are for is to explore a character in a new light. That means i'd like someone who has something to be explored. I love the feeling of watching a character being developed in a way that only someone as close as a lover can, and I found that DA II did that very well.


Agreed. DA2 romances were very well done. 

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Reaverwind wrote...

For starters, how about a return to more normal LI's? And more self-confident males, while we're at it. Women got a raw deal in DA2, what with both males needing serious counseling and/or shock therapy.


Agreed. I made this point in another thread. Every LI seemed to have serious psychological disorders this time. I understand that we need a little neurosis to make them interesting, but some of the last set seemed to have personality disorders--difficult to live with, almost impossible to affect.

I'd really like to have a relatively normal guy to romance (with humor, I love self-deprecating humor), and I wouldn't mind a stoic "sten-like" or "spock-like" dude. But let's forego the ptsd with amnesia, and the borderline personality disorder with suicidal features this time around.

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Emzamination wrote...

eggs on leggs wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

1. I expect anyone my previous protagonist romanced to be perma-locked out

2. I want promiscuity to make a roaring return.

3. I want deeper commitment (ie: marriage) from LI

4. I want to live together

5. I want to be able to talk about kids and such even if the action is never executed.



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Ikr? :P


Perfect.

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eggs on leggs wrote...

A LI voiced by Gideon Emery please!!!


Oh yes!  Every time I hear his voice coming out of an Imperial soldier in Skyrim, I say "Hi Fenris!"  And I get all smiley faced. Love that man's voice!

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SugarKane wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

eggs on leggs wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

1. I expect anyone my previous protagonist romanced to be perma-locked out

2. I want promiscuity to make a roaring return.

3. I want deeper commitment (ie: marriage) from LI

4. I want to live together

5. I want to be able to talk about kids and such even if the action is never executed.



+ 100 Image IPB


Ikr? :P


Perfect.

Ditto!

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Merrill's romance was pretty normal. She's not tortured or sharing her brain with an otherworldly spirit, and she doesn't cut herself in bed or drink Hawke's blood. There's a little bit of a cultural hurdle to overcome at the start, but I was surprised how completely natural their relationship feels by Act 3.

Can you imagine domestic life with Morrigan? "Honey, could you pick up some eggs at the market while you're going out?" "I am not your slave, simpleton."

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:04 .


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EssEeeEcks wrote...

That's polyamory, not promiscuity. Jade Empire was the only bioware game to ever do that.

Not true. NWN: Hordes of the underdark also allowed this, provided that your diplomacy was high enough

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Emzamination wrote...

1. I expect anyone my previous protagonist romanced to be perma-locked out

2. I want promiscuity to make a roaring return.

3. I want deeper commitment (ie: marriage) from LI

4. I want to live together

5. I want to be able to talk about kids and such even if the action is never executed.

Got to say about last 3 points.... not sounds good for me at all.:sick: 

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lol, I want a LI that is completely socially inept. :wizard:

Dry wit/sarcasm would also suffice.  Or both.  I think my tastes are strange.

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Emzamination wrote...

1. I expect anyone my previous protagonist romanced to be perma-locked out

2. I want promiscuity to make a roaring return.

3. I want deeper commitment (ie: marriage) from LI

4. I want to live together

5. I want to be able to talk about kids and such even if the action is never executed.



This would be fun. But I also want to add;

6.  Female Qunari Love interest

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How on earth can this thread have the "spoilers" tag already? The game was announced yesterday, for Mike's sake.

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For me:

1. I was very dissapointed in DA2 about this: if i,m gay and i want to romance Anders or Fenris as a male or as a female it,s ok... but i don,t understood why Anders or Fenris romanced one AND other. I mean that if you want to romance Garrus, you only can as a female because HE IS NOT GAY. And that,s ok ,cos that is a point of his character (and not yours). In my oppinion ME is better in this matter. The characters have a strongly personality

2 - Love must be more real and involved. Romance scenes should be longer and more intense

3 - Qunaris... Qunari... Romance with a male qunari... Please!!!

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AlexiusDAlex wrote...

How on earth can this thread have the "spoilers" tag already? The game was announced yesterday, for Mike's sake.

The spoilers is mainly for any topics related to the other LIs in previous games. You can never be too careful with people complaining about spoiling their games that were released 100 years ago.