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[Dingo]

I had just recently finished another play through of my Dragon Age games and was thinking to myself at the end of DA2 "why can’t I look as good as my companions". They get to walk around in these sleek outfits and I'm stuck wearing this bulky armor. What I'd like to see is a clothing layer option. Completely for vanity and decorative sake. The layer would overwrite the look of the armor but provide no stats so you would still need armor. And it would be totally optional of course. You could buy different clothes at a tailor or something like that. The clothes would look like something an adverturer would wear, not some dress or fancy formal outfit
In DA I did prefer the more form fitting armors like the Warden armor set you get from the DA2 Legacy DLC. I do like the look of some of the armors but just wish they were more form fitting like that set.

Anyway, this is just personal opinion and I dont expect at all anything to come of it. It's just something I'd like to see in DA3. What do you guys think about an optional clothing layer or what would you like to see in DA3?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I like being pretty, so I am 100% behind this idea And cosmetics are certainly a factor for a lot of players--why else would SkyrimNexus be flooded with texture and armor mods?

If BioWare doesn't want to implement something like this, even simple things like dyes and small texture changes could be nice.

[Emzamination]

No no, this is a very valid topic to bring up. I myself have been a very vocal advocator on these forums, concerning better fashion in Da3. It too bothered me that morrigan & Isabella outshone my character, by having sexier clothing.

I used to sometimes find myself, in both games, using weaker armor, simply because the more high quality armor, looked atrocious. I'm getting better with not doing that, in subsequent play-throughs, because it hinders me, but still, a girl likes to look pretty.

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[MichaelStuart]

I support this idea, for the same reason I paint walls.
I get bored at looking at the same thing.

Modifié par MichaelStuart, 28 janvier 2013 - 07:06 .

[Blackrising]

Yup.
Sure, my FemPC is a badass warrior chick who destroys legions of monsters in her spare time...but that doesn't mean she can't look pretty while doing it.
I'm tired of wearing inadequate armor just because it's the only thing that doesn't look horrible.

[Yumichika]

Emzamination wrote...

No no, this is a very valid topic to bring up. I myself have been a very vocal advocator on these forums, concerning better fashion in Da3. It too bothered me that morrigan & Isabella outshone my character, by having sexier clothing.

I used to sometimes find myself, in both games, using weaker armor, simply because the more high quality armor, looked atrocious. I'm getting better with not doing that, in subsequent play-throughs, because it hinders me, but still, a girl likes to look pretty.

I do the same even in Skyrim except for Mass Effect.
Usually the big parts of the armor are pretty ugly and do not fit to those who want, need and are playing mages, rogues, assassin, bardes etc...
Leliana itself prefer pretty simple outfit.
As for Morrigan she made her choice long time ago.

I'm always despaired and depressed when i start looking at the high amount of ugly armors in my adventure bag. Usually i sell the biggest part on the first occasion.

I prefer taking some severe damage. The worst part is the helmet. Far worst. I even don't know why it exists. 

[Xhon12]

What I want is more tunic styles for mages. I just found the classic one and the blood mage one in DA-2, and in DA-O just the circle ones (apprentice and mage) and the arcont. So sad D:

Also I want to wear different clothes, like tunics with unnecessarily wide sleeves or armors with capes... that'd be nice! Or rouges with their mouths covered in clothes like this ->

Modifié par Xhon12, 28 janvier 2013 - 07:33 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I agree with the OP on this. I hate playing a warrior just for this reason. I don't want my PC to wear things that make her look like a column of metal. I tend to keep them is lower armor due to this. And I am currently playing my canon mage playthrough and I just die a little inside every time I put on one of those dang cowl's.

[Brodoteau]

Three things: 
1.  Mods do this already.  So why would Bioware not be content to let mods continue to fill this gap for them.
2.  What is pretty and nice is subjective.  Even if Bioware did this, a lot of people would still think they hadn't bothered (i.e. how many people complained that FemHawke was wearing (a very sensible) pants suit instead of a pretty dress in MOTA?) 

... and 3. Maybe Bioware could make a toggle for this

Modifié par Brodoteau, 28 janvier 2013 - 07:40 .

[Brodoteau]

And just to add... that I do agree that Bioware makes horrible tuques, hats, helmets and the like... I usually prefer to walk around without them....but at this point silly mage hats are almost part and parcel of the Dragon Age universe that we'd miss them if they were gone.

[Emzamination]

Brodoteau wrote...

1.  Mods do this already.  So why would Bioware not be content to let mods continue to fill this gap for them.

Consoles don't have mods.

2.  What is pretty and nice is subjective.  Even if Bioware did this a lot of people would still think they hadn't bothered (i.e. how many people complained the FemHawke was wearing (a very sensible) pants suit instead of a pretty dress in MOTA?)

That's right, it is subjective, which is why we should have variety, no?

@lso if you check the thread linked in my post and the Da2 forums, you'd see alot of people complaining about hawkes outfit.

@lso took the liberty of crossing out your sujective opinion.

3. Maybe Bioware could make a toggle for this

I hope so

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 janvier 2013 - 07:48 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Brodoteau wrote...

Three things:
1. Mods do this already. So why would Bioware not be content to let mods continue to fill this gap for them.
2. What is pretty and nice is subjective. Even if Bioware did this, a lot of people would still think they hadn't bothered (i.e. how many people complained that FemHawke was wearing (a very sensible) pants suit instead of a pretty dress in MOTA?)

... and 3. Maybe Bioware could make a toggle for this

To answer your first question, software licensing rights.

Bioware uses software to make their games. Sometimes, that software can be better made by other companies - after all, Bioware is a company that specializes in video game development - not animation rendering development, sound engineering development, lip synch software development, etc.

So they pay for these software tools. When you have 100 people who are developing the main game itself using these tools, that only results in licensing costs in a reasonable amount. If you want to ship a modkit that uses these licenses to over a million people, suddenly you are paying more in licensing fees than it costs to even make the game (tens of millions of dollars).

Think of it this way... say the modkit used the newest version of Microsoft Office. There was no way to ship the toolkit without completely redesigning it to not use Microsoft Office (and such a redseign costs time and money) or they ship every PC copy of the game out with Microsoft Office, resulting in either paying Microsoft out of their own pocket for each copy of the game that gets shipped, or charging extra so that the player is a legal owner of both the game as well as licensed software they may or may not use.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 28 janvier 2013 - 07:55 .

[Brodoteau]

The "very sensible" part was a joke, and, yes, a play on the fact that fashion is very subjective. And, my, point was MANY people did complain about the pants suit, even though others didn't have a problem with it. My bigger point was that no matter what they do people will complain. So it's not worth their time and effort.
As to variety, I think you do have variety... not every armor set looks the same. You, yourself mention that you prefer to wear sub-standard armor rather than "ugly" armor. That's your choice. What you and the OP seem to really want is to create "a look" and then keep that look for the rest of the game (a al DA2 companions).
Look, I thought it was an improvement that Hawke wasn't hanging around his house in full armor. It was great as well that Hawke wasn't sulking around Chateau Haine in full armor. I would support that there be more interactions and opportunities for the characters to be "dressed down" because that makes sense in a storyline sense. But for simple aesthetic preference, I don't think it's worth the toggle (which has reached Sonic Screwdriver type propotions in this forum)

[Brodoteau]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

To answer your first question, software licensing rights.

I think I understand your point, but was not talking specifically about the creation of a modkit, but rather the current existence of mods.  Mods will spring up as soon as DA3 is shipped -- just as they have done for DAO and DA2 (unless your telling me Bioware had to pay to have Ser Gilmore, white Isabela and everyone running around naked added to their games).  Most of the mods that exist for DAO and DA2 are about hair, texture, fashion etc.  So there is a vibrant community that is already catering to what the OP wants (though I concede the point about consoles).  Or maybe I am misunderstanding your point. 

[Emzamination]

Brodoteau wrote...

The "very sensible" part was a joke, and, yes, a play on the fact that fashion is very subjective. And, my, point was MANY people did complain about the pants suit, even though others didn't have a problem with it. My bigger point was that no matter what they do people will complain. So it's not worth their time and effort.

What inane logic is this? When people complain that something about your product is not up to par, you take their suggestions into consideration and fix the issue. You don't stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the customers that pay to support your product. With that business sense, let us hope you never find yourself attempting to sell any products.

As to variety, I think you do have variety... not every armor set looks the same. You, yourself mention that you prefer to wear sub-standard armor rather than "ugly" armor. That's your choice. What you and the OP seem to really want is to create "a look" and then keep that look for the rest of the game (a al DA2 companions).

This complaint could certaintly be over-looked, if it was just me and the op, but between the two threads, our complaint is significantly the majority opinion, while you're acceptance is in the minority, so something must be amiss, yes?

Look, I thought it was an improvement that Hawke wasn't hanging around his house in full armor. It was great as well that Hawke wasn't sulking around Chateau Haine in full armor. I would support that there be more interactions and opportunities for the characters to be "dressed down" because that makes sense in a storyline sense. But for simple aesthetic preference, I don't think it's worth the toggle (which has reached Sonic Screwdriver type propotions in this forum)

Femhawkes house-ware was nice, I'm certainly not complaining about it. However a cosmetic toggle would be very preferable

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:22 .

[Fast Jimmy]

I think I understand your point, but was not talking specifically about the creation of a modkit, but rather the current existence of mods.  Mods will spring up as soon as DA3 is shipped -- just as they have done for DAO and DA2 (unless your telling me Bioware had to pay to have Ser Gilmore, white Isabela and everyone running around naked added to their games).  Most of the mods that exist for DAO and DA2 are about hair, texture, fashion etc.  So there is a vibrant community that is already catering to what the OP wants (though I concede the point about consoles).  Or maybe I am misunderstanding your point.  

DA:O had a modkit. DA2 did not. Modders can still mod without a kit, but it is difficult to do so from scratch. However, the new engine Bioware is switching to, Frostbite 2, is not mod friendly at all. As in, not just no toolkit, but almost as hard to mod as climbing up a mountain without legs.

That being said, even mods only help PC players. Console players make up more than double the PC market, so to offer mods as a fix is only a solution to less than a third of all players.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:23 .

[Fast Jimmy]

This complaint could certaintly be over-looked, if it was just me and the op, but between the two threads, our complaint is significantly the majority opinion, while you're acceptance is in the minority, so something must be amiss, yes?

I'm not claiming to be the majority or the minority, but threads like this that say, in a nutshell, "I want to be a pretty, pretty hero!" are met with a snort and ignored by myself. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees these threads and laughs derisively without making a comment about how shallow and vain they can sound.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:38 .

[Emzamination]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

This complaint could certaintly be over-looked, if it was just me and the op, but between the two threads, our complaint is significantly the majority opinion, while you're acceptance is in the minority, so something must be amiss, yes?

I'm not claiming to be the majority of priority, but threads like this that say, in a nutshell, "I want to be a pretty, pretty hero!" are met with a snort and ignored by myself. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees these threads and laughs derisively without making a comment about how shallow and vain they can sound.

That's not too surprising. Beauty is a feminine subject and males tend to think beauty is equal to vanity.

[Fast Jimmy]

Valuing beauty over functionality and practicality is the very definition of vanity.

[Versus Omnibus]

I don't mind looking good, but I also like to be protected in a fight if I can. So I'll take armor over the latest fashion trend any day.

[Brodoteau]

Emzamination wrote...

What inane logic is this? When people complain that something about your product is not up to par, you take their suggestions into consideration and fix the issue. You don't stick your fingers in your ears and ignore the customers that pay to support your product. With that business sense, let us hope you never find yourself attempting to sell any products.

Really, your going to come after me over a fashion toggle?  Your going to imply that I have poor business sense and say I have inane logic because of this?  Here I thought we were having a civil disagreement. 

But for fun, let's look at my logical flaws:  I never said that Bioware shouldn't listen to their customers. They should.  But it is debatable whether or not this a "real problem" that is causing them to lose business.  Or should they react to every change/complaint  that has ever been suggested on BSN?  Man, by that track record, they really have bad business sense too!  Where are my griffons!   Bioware, you need to go back to business school!   You don't understand the basic ideas of business!   

 All of your arguments assume there is a problem.  Which I dispute (sorry I guess I'm not suppose to disagree on this idea).  I also mentioned that many people liked the pants suit (which you convieniently forget to mention as you criticize my ideas).  Your idea that Bioware's "fashions" are "not up to par" is disputable but you can go ahead and complain all you want.  I am simply disagreeing with your point of view (sorry again) since I don't think Bioware does a bad job of a) providing a variety of clothing to wear and  providing good looking armors.

This complaint could certaintly be over-looked, if it was just me and the op, but between the two threads, our complaint is significantly the majority opinion, while you're acceptance is in the minority, so something must be amiss, yes?

Look, I don't want to get into an argument about whether or not my fashion sense sucks in comparison to yours.  It probably does.  But just because there are two threads in BSN on this topic, that hardly represents the vast gaming majority that bought this game -- who (since I can generalize without proof too) probably don't care about this topic or think it is worth the topic.  By your logic, there have been many more threads (with a significant amount of support) dedicated to the eliminating (or reducing) the same-sex option so therefore that represents a majority opinion that Bioware should respond to.  Right?     

Listen, you want your toggle, have your toggle, advocate for your toggle!  I'll join the voices that say:  Please give Emzamination the toggle!   

I just don't think your arguments are very strong, I don' t think it is necessary and I don't think it greatly would add to the game.  But I will happily concede defeat (you won an internet argument!) and be off to try to sell snow to Inuit -- that seems like a good business deal right?    

Modifié par Brodoteau, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:52 .