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[N147]

Merlex wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

It's times like these that I'm happy that I always go for the standard "Human Male" set up, much simpler without having to beg the devs to cater to a minority.

Proof?

DA2? Why did they choose Hawke to be Human, if not to make sure the majority of players would be happy to play as what they are? I know you think that because so many people on here play as elves or dwarves or whatever makes it seem that alot of people don't play as a Human, but what you and most others who will disagree with me seem to forget is that the BSN doesn't contain every single damn person who plays Dragon Age, and that there are way more players who don't care to sign up here after buying a Bioware game. Now obviously I can't provide you with any solid proof of which race is played more, because only Bioware holds that information. So, don't you think that if their numbers told them that Elves were being played a whole lot more than any other race, they would've went with one for DA2?

[Pedrak]

DAO had origins.
DA2 had a more personal story with your family/background etc. having a greater impact on the game.

Assuming they can't do both (multiple origins with also an important part played by your family members throughout the game) I sure hope they go for the former and follow DAO's formula.

[Merlex]

Revenant24 wrote...

Merlex wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

It's times like these that I'm happy that I always go for the standard "Human Male" set up, much simpler without having to beg the devs to cater to a minority.

Proof?

DA2? Why did they choose Hawke to be Human, if not to make sure the majority of players would be happy to play as what they are? I know you think that because so many people on here play as elves or dwarves or whatever makes it seem that alot of people don't play as a Human, but what you and most others who will disagree with me seem to forget is that the BSN doesn't contain every single damn person who plays Dragon Age, and that there are way more players who don't care to sign up here after buying a Bioware game. Now obviously I can't provide you with any solid proof of which race is played more, because only Bioware holds that information. So, don't you think that if their numbers told them that Elves were being played a whole lot more than any other race, they would've went with one for DA2?

Well if you meant a minority, as in humans are played more than the others, sure i'll buy that. I read a thread that had stats from DAO, stating that more humans were played then other races. The thread also said that most people don't finish the game. Most finishes were human characters, but that doesn't mean that one their replays, they didn't play elves or dwarves for a while.

What race a person plays most, doesn't translate to most people want only humans, to be the only choice for race. You can't tell that from game statistics. You can only know that from what people say.

Now there several reasons why DA2 sold so much less than DAO, and i believe that racial choice was one of them. If i had researched the game, and found out that there was no racial choice, i may not have bought the game. I went off of DAO's reputation when i purchased it.

In a time when Bioware's last few games have done so poorly, all customers should be included upto a point. Not just the one-shot console players, but the old time rpgers as well. Most of which, it seems, care about replayability. Racial choice is one way to add to that replayability. Screw what the minority wants, if we are in fact a minority, is not the way to bring Bioware back to the top. Bioware needs sales, that's not the way to get it.

Modifié par Merlex, 13 octobre 2012 - 09:23 .

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Merlex wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Merlex wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

It's times like these that I'm happy that I always go for the standard "Human Male" set up, much simpler without having to beg the devs to cater to a minority.

Proof?

DA2? Why did they choose Hawke to be Human, if not to make sure the majority of players would be happy to play as what they are? I know you think that because so many people on here play as elves or dwarves or whatever makes it seem that alot of people don't play as a Human, but what you and most others who will disagree with me seem to forget is that the BSN doesn't contain every single damn person who plays Dragon Age, and that there are way more players who don't care to sign up here after buying a Bioware game. Now obviously I can't provide you with any solid proof of which race is played more, because only Bioware holds that information. So, don't you think that if their numbers told them that Elves were being played a whole lot more than any other race, they would've went with one for DA2?

Well if you meant a minority, as in humans are played more than the others, sure i'll buy that. I read a thread that had stats from DAO, stating that more humans were played then other races. The thread also said that most people don't finish the game. Most finishes were human characters, but that doesn't mean that one their replays, they didn't play elves or dwarves for a while.

What race a person plays most, doesn't translate to most people want only humans, to be the only choice for race. You can't tell that from game statistics. You can only know that from what people say.

Now there several reasons why DA2 sold so much less than DAO, and i believe that racial choice was one of them. If i had researched the game, and found out that there was no racial choice, i may not have bought the game. I went off of DAO's reputation when i purchased it.

In a time when Bioware's last few games have done so poorly, all customers should be included upto a point. Not just the one-shot console players, but the old time rpgers as well. Most of which, it seems, care about replayability. Racial choice is one way to add to that replayability. Screw what the minority wants, if we are in fact a minority, is not the way to bring Bioware back to the top. Bioware needs sales, that's not the way to get it.

The games sells were, Bioware just deserves a better fans. If they would shutup, the Dr.s wouldn't have to leave - but no, they had to whine about fact that they can't beat  Reapers, despite it being clearly stated in ME1 that conventional victory is impossible.  Also, DA2 improved everything from technical points to story from DA:O, just the elves and reused areas got the shaft, because EA was rushing them.

Also those few who have 'deal-breaker' on elves/dwarfs are very few, and sorry to say it, but truly in very SMALL minority. I don't think its even possible at this point - having a dwarf leading Inquisition sounds very stupid, Qunari - seriously?!, and i rather they don't messed up lore, like Blizzard did with ... a LOT of things...

[Get Magna Carter]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

The games sells were, Bioware just deserves a better fans. If they would shutup, the Dr.s wouldn't have to leave - but no, they had to whine about fact that they can't beat  Reapers, despite it being clearly stated in ME1 that conventional victory is impossible.  Also, DA2 improved everything from technical points to story from DA:O, just the elves and reused areas got the shaft, because EA was rushing them.

At least one of the Drs has spoken in defense of the fans and instead criticised bad game journalism (presumably for suggesting that fan criticism had anything to do with his departure).
Muzkya "I respect/revere fans, because they speak with deep, honest passion. Journalists speculating on ill-founded rumors should reassess approach. 

Good websites demand clarity and credibility – lesser ones enable ill-informed individuals to make stuff up about other people."

There is speculation that the real reason for his departure is the commercial failure of old republic.

Modifié par Get Magna Carter, 13 octobre 2012 - 11:07 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

you call them drs but i call them mad scientists they were frigging amazing when it came down too listening to the fans they rock nuff said.

[Merlex]

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

[quote]Merlex wrote...

[quote]Revenant24 wrote...

[quote]Merlex wrote...

[quote]Revenant24 wrote...

It's times like these that I'm happy that I always go for the standard "Human Male" set up, much simpler without having to beg the devs to cater to a minority.[/quote]

Proof?

[/quote]

DA2? Why did they choose Hawke to be Human, if not to make sure the majority of players would be happy to play as what they are? I know you think that because so many people on here play as elves or dwarves or whatever makes it seem that alot of people don't play as a Human, but what you and most others who will disagree with me seem to forget is that the BSN doesn't contain every single damn person who plays Dragon Age, and that there are way more players who don't care to sign up here after buying a Bioware game. Now obviously I can't provide you with any solid proof of which race is played more, because only Bioware holds that information. So, don't you think that if their numbers told them that Elves were being played a whole lot more than any other race, they would've went with one for DA2?

[/quote]

Well if you meant a minority, as in humans are played more than the others, sure i'll buy that. I read a thread that had stats from DAO, stating that more humans were played then other races. The thread also said that most people don't finish the game. Most finishes were human characters, but that doesn't mean that one their replays, they didn't play elves or dwarves for a while.

What race a person plays most, doesn't translate to most people want only humans, to be the only choice for race. You can't tell that from game statistics. You can only know that from what people say.

Now there several reasons why DA2 sold so much less than DAO, and i believe that racial choice was one of them. If i had researched the game, and found out that there was no racial choice, i may not have bought the game. I went off of DAO's reputation when i purchased it.

In a time when Bioware's last few games have done so poorly, all customers should be included upto a point. Not just the one-shot console players, but the old time rpgers as well. Most of which, it seems, care about replayability. Racial choice is one way to add to that replayability. Screw what the minority wants, if we are in fact a minority, is not the way to bring Bioware back to the top. Bioware needs sales, that's not the way to get it.

[/quote]

The games sells were,[/quote]

Um, DA2 sold half as many copies as DAO.

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Bioware just deserves a better fans.  If they would shutup, the Dr.s wouldn't have to leave[/quote]

What?   So only the costumers that love everything about the game, are allowed to speak? Your right, it's all the fans fault. Who cares if someone likes Coca- Cola, they have to buy Pepsi and shut up about it. <_<

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

- but no, they had to whine about fact that they can't beat  Reapers, despite it being clearly stated in ME1 that conventional victory is impossible.[/quote]

Well i don't know about the ME3 yet. I plan to buy it after Christmas. But that doesn't change that there have been problems with ME3, DA2 and Star Wars. They haven't been as successful as other RPGs recently.

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Also, DA2 improved everything from technical points to story from DA:O, just the elves and reused areas got the shaft, because EA was rushing them.[/quote]

That's your opinion. It centainly not shared by everyone here. I guess you could say that everything was improved, if you're a button mashing console player. But that was the wrong direction, half the sales.

Personally i think that taking away companion customization, choices not mattering, and the anime art style art are steps backward. There are things though, that i liked about DA2.

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Also those few who have 'deal-breaker' on elves/dwarfs are very few, and sorry to say it, but truly in very SMALL minority.[/quote]

I never said it's a deal breaker for me. If i had known before i bought DA2, i may not have bought it. But i'm invested in the universe now, so i'll probably buy DA3. The only deal breakers i have, is if multi-class is required to get a complete ending. I don't play multi-player. Or if you have to play online, i don't do MMOs.

I've been supporting Bioware since NWN. But if they keep taking out all the features, that old time RPGers like myself love, they will drive us away.

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
I don't think its even possible at this point[/quote]

You make a lot of assumptions. From a dev's post on this very thread:

[quote]Blair Brown wrote...

Sorry we can't announce anything
other than what is in Marks blog, but, we are following these forums for
everyone's input, ideas, and healthy discussion![/quote]

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
- having a dwarf leading Inquisition sounds very stupid, [/quote]

Why is that? We don't know much about the organization yet. The Inquistion could be an organization like the Wardens.

[quote]Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
Qunari - seriously?!, [/quote]

I didn't say that either. I said Kossith, there is a difference. I'd most likely not play a Kossith. But they are one of the four major races, and others have requested them. I'm for more choices in character development, and replayability.

Modifié par Merlex, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[cindercatz]

@Merlex
I agree with a lot of your points there (not all, but many), but please don't assume being a console player or not automatically puts you in the streamline category for customization or the button mashing category for combat. I'm a consoler and I'm neither. It's just what an individual values in the game design, not what platform they play on. Thanks.

And the Drs. did rock. Great luck and fine fortune to them in whatever projects they pursue.

Modifié par cindercatz, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Merlex]

cindercatz wrote...

@Merlex
I agree with a lot of your points there (not all, but many), but please don't assume being a console player or not automatically puts you in the streamline category for customization or the button mashing category for combat. I'm a consoler and I'm neither. It's just what an individual values in the game design, not what platform they play on. Thanks.

Your right, i'm sorry. Not all console players are streamliners or button mashers. I doubt that most console players want less choices. But in most of these debates, the people who want streamlining, tend to play on console. Though i have know a couple of PC players that were like that. They were more into MMOs than RPGs.

And the Drs. did rock. Great luck and fine fortune to them in whatever projects they pursue.

I wish them well, they will be missed. I hope they have a great future.

[cindercatz]

I think it's that some people are really more action game fans, but they like the story, characters, other aspects of BioWare's games. There are more action games on console than PC (or at least it seems, because the universal controller makes it easier for uniform gameplay), so players of that inclination might be more likely to be consolers also. That doesn't make them the majority of console RPG players, though, and there are a good whole lot of us. :-) Personally, I like RPGs, and I like some of the better action games, but RPGs are first, and I don't want them streamlined or dumbed down. Rather, when I do play an action game, I find myself wanting them to be more like RPGs, not the other way round.

Of course, a good idea is a good idea, so I'm not supporting total segregation of concepts no matter what or anything. You get my point.

Modifié par cindercatz, 14 octobre 2012 - 02:15 .

[WardenWade]

motomotogirl wrote...

WardenWade wrote...


Here is the link to Mr. Gaider's comments on the topic:
http://social.biowar...dex/12615734/11

Oohh thanks for pointing this out! I'm glad the VO situation isn't really a situation at all. So it's in fact a heigh issue. Well, elves are now close to the same height as humans, so that shouldn't be a huge problem. But dwarves are still quite tiny! And a kossith PC would definitely demand for a cinematic scene to be completely reshot lol

P.S. Oh I should add my two cents as Blair suggested. Please, BW, let me be an elf again ^^ 

No problem!   Things are still fluid on a lot of fronts for DA3 at this point by the look of it, but it is nice to see that voice acting--which I gather for a lot of people (and for me as well until I saw this quote) appears to be considered one of the main sticking points for race options being feasible--is really not such an insurmountable obstacle.  And we'll certainly have new models for the other races for NPCs and companions with Frostbite 2...I don't know everything that goes into cinematics but maybe with this new engine the cutscenes would not be as much of an obstacle either?

[astreqwerty]

Remember how dao was first marketed??? Origins were totally in the centre of it.They were the main point of the series what would set apart that game from the pile of fantasy rpgs out there.When I first played origins I thought: "well here's an old school rpg with such an innovative feature that could set a milestone for the genre,lets see where they will take it from here". Yes the game eventually was not all about origins but I thought they would be relevant to the series as it progressed. They would take this main cobblestone and expand upon the formula giving more gravity to the choice of origins with each addition to franchise and.........
........instead we got da2 in 1year's development. Imagine the dissapointment that game turned out to be even though in its own right it was not such a bad game (light years away from origins but still)
I dont have such expectations from the franchise any longer. They proved that the series will not be as high budgeted as say, TES and they are opting to turn it to a more mainstream franchise(multiplayer lol) with yearly releases.. However things like the inclusion of origins (in whatever way,lets be realistic this time) are now more than ever a must if the game hopes to have a chance to sell itself to dissapointed people such as,say, me.

Modifié par astreqwerty, 14 octobre 2012 - 07:43 .

[astreqwerty]

Merlex wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

Merlex wrote...

Revenant24 wrote...

It's times like these that I'm happy that I always go for the standard "Human Male" set up, much simpler without having to beg the devs to cater to a minority.

Proof?

DA2? Why did they choose Hawke to be Human, if not to make sure the majority of players would be happy to play as what they are? I know you think that because so many people on here play as elves or dwarves or whatever makes it seem that alot of people don't play as a Human, but what you and most others who will disagree with me seem to forget is that the BSN doesn't contain every single damn person who plays Dragon Age, and that there are way more players who don't care to sign up here after buying a Bioware game. Now obviously I can't provide you with any solid proof of which race is played more, because only Bioware holds that information. So, don't you think that if their numbers told them that Elves were being played a whole lot more than any other race, they would've went with one for DA2?

Well if you meant a minority, as in humans are played more than the others, sure i'll buy that. I read a thread that had stats from DAO, stating that more humans were played then other races. The thread also said that most people don't finish the game. Most finishes were human characters, but that doesn't mean that one their replays, they didn't play elves or dwarves for a while.

What race a person plays most, doesn't translate to most people want only humans, to be the only choice for race. You can't tell that from game statistics. You can only know that from what people say.

Now there several reasons why DA2 sold so much less than DAO, and i believe that racial choice was one of them. If i had researched the game, and found out that there was no racial choice, i may not have bought the game. I went off of DAO's reputation when i purchased it.

In a time when Bioware's last few games have done so poorly, all customers should be included upto a point. Not just the one-shot console players, but the old time rpgers as well. Most of which, it seems, care about replayability. Racial choice is one way to add to that replayability. Screw what the minority wants, if we are in fact a minority, is not the way to bring Bioware back to the top. Bioware needs sales, that's not the way to get it.

excellent reply

edit: double post but whatev.. Whoever thinks the Drs left bioware due to fan backlash is naive at best ,residing in Anders's world of ideals. I cant fathom how 2 leading figures in the gaming industry,in very well paid positions, opt willingly to let go of them just because of some bad critisism justified or not. Their leave has everything to do with biowares fall from grace the past years along with seriously messing up with some very costly projects and swotor was definitely the case gone completely wrong  .

Modifié par astreqwerty, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:00 .

[Dennis Carpenter]

Well her goes nothing.....just from the title alone I expect nothing other than human, as it would seem that the inquisition will be run by Cassandra in her attempt to hunt down the hero of ferelden and get to the bottom of the destruction of the chantry and the decimation of the templars in kirkwall. Might even get a Lilliana spot given the post game cut scene. Now that is the meat of DAIII as I see it.
Of course it could take a totally different route with the seekers of truth coming in to put order back into kirkwall, and that could allow for different races taking up sides with different factions and trying to influence the Seekers to there factions cause. That could allow all the races, elves dwarves qunari human, and all classes fighter rogue mage, templar,chantry cleric, maybe even a member of the seekers. Wow a Qunari talvasoth seeker all very interesting and all great to play. I still believe it will be more like my first description, but would love it to go the way of my second description.

[BlackGrifon]

        Playable races is a MUST, BW spoiled us with the choice (DA;O) now they take away our candy (DA2) WE WANT THEM BACK.
        Some of you say it wouldn't feel right having the same voice, but honestly how big of a inconvenience would it be. Bringing back origins isn't such a big demand even in the case of Qunaris if in your journey you come acros an area where they are settled, use it as the origin story location and your done. After the origin get recruted ant travel to the HQ. It worked in DA;O why not in DA3. The origin storyes don't have to be long 30-45 minutes is enough.
        I dindn't read the books but i don't see why the seekers/ inquisitors have to be humans, can't they be like the wardens: taking in anyone capable to fufill the job. Furthemore as am multirace faction it opens the way to ask them for help if you chose to fight the war. If being a Qunary contridicts this role since they are at war with every race...... that i can understand, still would love to play as one: imagine being a tall well built horned qunary weilding huge swords scaring the crap out of your enemy.
        Someone said it is more of a hastle to make the cutscenes for every race, AGAIN i don't know how the software works but i dont think it works how you think. I don;t believe there are 100+ cutscenes made for DA:O in order to make one video work for every race, every posible choice of armour, weapons, player customination choice for character, companions in your party and so on. I don't see this as a REASONABLE EXCUSE FOR NO RACE SELECTION.
What do you all think am i wrong?

Modifié par BlackGrifon, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:11 .