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[Orian Tabris]

ONLY CHANGE THE NOSES! FOR THE LOVE OF ELVES AND ALL THAT'S HOLY! ONLY THEIR NOSES!

There was nothing wrong with anything else about them, only their noses sucked big time! Elves are slightly shorter, they have pointy ears that protrude out from the back of their heads...

IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU?!?!?!?

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

Orian Tabris wrote...

ONLY CHANGE THE NOSES! FOR THE LOVE OF ELVES AND ALL THAT'S HOLY! ONLY THEIR NOSES!

There was nothing wrong with anything else about them, only their noses sucked big time! Elves are slightly shorter, they have pointy ears that protrude out from the back of their heads...

IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU?!?!?!?

I don't like their necks either. They are also too skinny. But yeah the noses also need to go.

[Anarya]

I vastly preferred DA2's elves to Origins'. There just wasn't enough differentiation between humans, Qunari and elves in that game. I thought some of the DA2 elf characters were really well done, especially Orsino and Fenris. Tallis and Merrill were pretty well done too, but a lot of the minor NPCs looked bizarre and unappealing, and the lollipop head thing they had going on due to the skinny necks was freaky. I do think they need some tweaking, but the general look is good and should be kept.

[muy_thaiguy]

At least tweak them so they don't look so ridiculous. Like others have said, the main elves look fine, but the rest *shudders*

[KiwiQuiche]

Wifflebottom wrote...

Seriously people that think short humans with pointy ears are better elves than the more distinct elves in DA2 are fools. While some of the elves looked ugly they could do a good job and I think they'll do a good job in 3. Orsino and Merril were fantastic looking and they were distinctly elven.

[Crowlover]

Overall I really liked the changes they made to elves in DA 2 and I hope they keep the general theme moving into Dragon Age 3. Not to say they there isn't room for improvement (the bobble-headed feature for example), but ultimately what is really important to me is when I look at an elf I can immediately differentiate it from a human. In DAO an elf with long hair may as well be labeled a short human, because you can't tell them apart. For me, the fact that elves look so alien compared to human in DA 2 really helps solidify why humans so brazenly treat elves as second class citizens.

[Elanor]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...

Seriously people that think short humans with pointy ears are better elves than the more distinct elves in DA2 are fools. While some of the elves looked ugly they could do a good job and I think they'll do a good job in 3. Orsino and Merril were fantastic looking and they were distinctly elven.

I disagree. Elves shoudn't look exactly like humans -they should be differences. Elves should be wilder with softer than humans face shape. In DA2 they look like Gollum with pointy ears. ;/ I hope when they change engine elves will look better.

[Lotion Soronarr]

What makes and elf and elf is subjective.

Some peopel want elves to be pretty humans with pointy ears...otehr want more drastic differemces.

Just remeber what happens when you go trying out something different too much. Look what happened to vampires...just think of Edward. And weep in horror.

[Killer3000ad]

They really should go back to DAO style of elves cause DA2 elves were just horrid looking mutants/aliens.

[Nyxia]

I love the new elves. But definitely make their necks a little shorter.

[StaceysChain]

Yes. The elves in DA2 were ugly as hell! The only good ones were Fenris, Tallis and Athenril. The rest =

[Genuine UK]

this may be agents the lore but it wouldn't be the 1st time they rewritten it but i think it would be better if they had both elves types in it the ugly ass ones "Pure blooded" elves and the DA:O ones have some sort of Human ancestor in them or maybe just have them as two different Elvin Races

Modifié par Genuine_666, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[Chiramu]

Too much change in a story is a bad thing. It shows the audience you aren't committed to your project.

Flip-flop-flip-flop...etc.

Bioware should stick to what they have instead of changing everything every two seconds.

[Naughty Bear]

First we change the fingers. It's like every one has had their hands in a wood chipper.

[syropbananowy]

I think there will be some changes, it's already started with Tallis. She's not like other elves, has normal nose and is less skinny. I think this is a good direction for the future, she's not some weird looking alien but at the same time she's different than humans.

[Silfren]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

Got to add my two cents to this thread - I really dislike the DA2 elves and hope they do a re-design.

From the internal lore, elves are supposed to be beautiful, alluring and attractive to humans. The DA2 elves were not.

I keep reading here that some people do not want "generic" elves and something other than "humans with pointed ears."

But what else exactly are they supposed to be be? They are a race that is able to interbreed with humans and produce viable off-spring so clearly they are not a different species altogether. Yet the DA2 version basically makes them into some sort of humanoid, alien race.

The overly elongated necks, the ears that flop down, the deer-like eyes and the overly emaciated bodies certainly make them "distinct" from humans but hardly beautiful or alluring.

And yet "unique" rather than "alluring" seems to be what so many of the "defenders" seem to want. As I read through this thread, apparently some people are reacting against the "archetypical" portrayals of elves as if making them "beautiful" was somehow "generic" and therefore "bad."

Bioware made a fantasy game and used traditional fantasy archetypes. Dwarfs are short, gruff and barrel chested - nothing unique there. And as others have pointed out, no one has any problem with their design.

Elves are supposed to be somewhat mystical (as the in game lore itself describes) beautiful and alluring. Why is this archetype then suddenly under attack - one poster said something like, "Elves are not supposed to be eye candy!" But that is exactly what the lore, in game actually tells us they are!

Perhaps it was a limitation of the original engine or something, but surely Bioware can make lithe (not emaciated), graceful, delicate and beautiful creatures that are distinct from the average grubby, human, and still look like someone you might actually find attractive?

I'm the one who argues against the stupid idea that elves should or must follow the traditional depiction.  I never said anything to suggest that in order to be unique or original they must therefore be ugly.  You are the one assuming that the two are mutually exclusive.  I do maintain that making them attractive--and not even merely aesthetically pleasing, apparently, but supermodel hot, to hear some players complain about it--should not be the primary objective.  Yes, the DA lore indicates that most humans generally find elves universally attractive, seemingly as a characteristic of being exotic.  Now, we also have lore indicating that elves are IMMEDIATELY recognizable as elves, that a person in the DA universe need not pull an elf's hair back to check the ears before they know whether they're talking to an elf and not a human.  This is the problem that I, and others, have with Origins elves. 

To revisit a point made by another poster a few pages back, you could easily argue that the humans of DA find elves attractive as they are per their DA2 presentation.  Just because many actual humans don't find them attractive doesn't mean that the fantasy creation would not.  I could also point out one story I've read featuring the Fair Folk--which includes elves, incidentally--wherein humans inevitably were attracted to them not because of the Fair Folks' objective beauty, but because of some innate quality the Fair Folk gave off which humans couldn't resist.  Call it a case of magical pheromones, if you will.  The Fair Folk could have been objectively fugly according to human standards and still the humans would have been inescapably attracted to them.  Perhaps that is the case in Dragon Age.

Elves ARE a different species.  The game makes this clear.  It's pointless to bring up real world biology insofar as elves ability to interbreed with humans.  We also are told by the game that elf and human offspring are ALWAYS human.  Not just that they LOOK human, but that they ARE human, as opposed to half-elves or whatever.  This is also a biological impossibility in the real world, but we can argue that point till the cows come home and it won't change that that is the canon lore Bioware gave us.  

You can stop with the claim that I suggested making them "archetypically beautiful" was a bad thing.  I said that not making them visually distinct from humans was bad.  Also, I didn't say that the traditional archetype was bad, though you'll note I called it a STEREOtype, not an archetype.  Their depiction according to mythology and classic fantasy lit aside, the very fact that some kind of unspoken rule has come into play saying that there is one and only one way to properly portray elves should tell you something.  But that doesn't mean that we HAVE to go with it.  I happen to like the classical depictions of elves, at least as depicted by Tolkien and his imitators, and of course the Anglo-Saxon depictions from which Tolkien drew his ideas.  But that in no way means I'm unwilling to appreciate attempts to portray elves completely differently.  

Given that the principle complaint about DA:O elves was that they didn't look distinguisable from humans aside from their ears (which made it impossible to know an elf for an elf when their ears were hidden), that is why there are no complaints about dwarves.  I, for one, would be thrilled if dwarven design was altered to make them visually distinct, but as it currently stands you can generally take a dwarf FOR a dwarf the moment you see one.  So you can dispense with the idea that "we" just don't like the elves to be pretty because that would be generic and bad.  Again, at NO point did anyone claim that in order to be original and unique they had to not be attractive.  YOU are the one making the assumption that elves can either be visually attractive, or original, but not both.

[Eidolion]

As a whole, I don't feel they need to change -too- much in racial designs. The Elves look a little awkward, but as people have said Tallis is a step in the right direction. Her neck is just too long in my eyes.

[TheRealJayDee]

Chiramu wrote...

Too much change in a story is a bad thing. It shows the audience you aren't committed to your project.

Flip-flop-flip-flop...etc.

Bioware should stick to what they have instead of changing everything every two seconds.

That's what I've been saying all along. Creating a new setting and not deciding what your major races look like is really weak imo.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

To revisit a point made by another poster a few pages back, you could easily argue that the humans of DA find elves attractive as they are per their DA2 presentation. Just because many actual humans don't find them attractive doesn't mean that the fantasy creation would not

Though I wasn't the poster who made that point in this thread, I have made the same point times before, using Vincento and Hawke as two examples.

To go even further -- and squickier -- Danarius. Though he's probably got some Elven blood in him, due to his ears being shaped like Feynriel's.

Then there's Ruxton Harimann. And others.

Silfren wrote...

We also are told by the game that elf and human offspring are ALWAYS human. Not just that they LOOK human, but that they ARE human, as opposed to half-elves or whatever. This is also a biological impossibility in the real world, but we can argue that point till the cows come home and it won't change that that is the canon lore Bioware gave us.

David Gaider intimated that it had to do with magic. Based on that, I posit that it's a Tevinter curse.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

MAKE THE DAMN NECKS SMALLER.

I swear every time I seen an elf all I could see was a giraffe.

[frostajulie]

Heres the problem Elves as they stand now are fugly.

Zev specifically says in DAO that many humans find elves sexually appealing. except for Fenris- and that mainly due to his voice not his looks- all DA2 elves are fugly and NOT sexually appealing. Now if they want to turn elves into Dobby like creatures from Hogwarts fine just don't try to sell such things as sexually attractive. Honestly many of the elves in DA2 needed to get squished they were so gross looking

[vallore]

Personally I find DA2 elves were simply ugly; I haven’t found a single one that I could describe as “beautiful.” (No, not even Merril, have anyone noticed her profile? Ugh!...)

Never really understood the obsession with making elves look “different” either, as I rather prefer look at beautiful slender human looking elves, with pointy ears than an ugly, naavi looking humanoid. (Yes, they didn’t even look original at that). Plus, I find DAO appearance was far more adequate to highlight the injustice of elven treatment, making the prejudice all the more clear.

Now, if I were to make a guess, I wouldn’t expect the Elven appearance to return to DAO, (unfortunately), but neither would I expect it to remain the same as it is now. Certainly not with the lack of success of the current elven design, (anything this divisive is unsuccessful in my book), not with a new game engine full of possibilities to find a way to fix the problem.

[FDrage]

I can understand why they redesigned certain apsects, but I found elves was another "1-2 steps too far". For me the look a bit too goofy and I personally would prefer something closer to to DA:O elves then DA2 elves. The first time I saw Zeveran I was kind of shocked (to say the least) and i wouldn't have recognized him at all. For some "weird" reason I never had an issue "not" recognizing elves in DA:O.

Certainly wouldn't want to see my elf warden with the DA2 style ..

On the other side Quanarii always just looked like tall, strong build humans ...

Modifié par FDrage, 21 septembre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Silfren wrote...
Now, we also have lore indicating that elves are IMMEDIATELY recognizable as elves, that a person in the DA universe need not pull an elf's hair back to check the ears before they know whether they're talking to an elf and not a human.  This is the problem that I, and others, have with Origins elves. 

What? 
Where does it say that? I want to see that entry.

Dude, having pointy ears is kinda immediately obvious.