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[Monica83]

Eh for sure they have to change elves... the da2 are utterly ugly and felt ridicolus in the game.... Even Fernis & Co

[snackrat]

 I'm probably going to regret sharing this because The Internet, but honestly when they descirbe them as 'exotically beautiful', I picture something like a Pocahontas/Egyptian blend. High severe checkbones, large almond eyes, strong but slender jaw, sloping forehead.

I hope BSN is willing to be forigiving - these didn't come out like I hoped, especially the woman - but I'm thinking something like this:


The woman is, it'd imagine, a city elf: likely the servant of a minor noble since she is tidy with some makeup (fortunately not at infamous Orana levels) but nothing fancy.

The dude is Dalish. In DAII the 'mohawk' thing is pretty common, and then I added braids because hey, braids are cool. (And they're more practical in the forest than loose hair anyway.)

[Potato Cat]

In my opinion, I quite liked the elf redesign, but some WERE badly executed. We have lore that says elves are particulary attractive to humans so that should remain the same. Also, the body shape ought to remain fairly anorexic. Most elves have to struggle to survive so it's really great to show this.

More specifically, the noses and ears, I think, need to have minor tweaks. The Dalish call City Elves flat ears because they have absorbed human culture and their ears don't stick out as much. The noses too could help show this, with Dalish having the Na'vi-like noses and the City Elves with more normal noses. Also important if we get race selection, which for me is a must have, so everyone can have a decision with their character's opinion.

[snackrat]

Nyoka wrote...

As always, and since it hasn't been posted yet,



(I have randomized their positions to highlight the general concept that applies equally to all of them)

It looks like the DAII form of elves. However I look at those and think, yeah! They look pretty good. (In fact not to different from what I picture, barring the lack of 'dip' in the nose bridge.

So.... what happened when it came to execution, then?  (Regarding the bridge, I'm fine with that dip being less prominant, but removing it all together is probably part of what put them in the uncanny valley, along with the unreasonably large eyes.)

[Eternal Phoenix]

Karsciyin wrote...

 I'm probably going to regret sharing this because The Internet, but honestly when they descirbe them as 'exotically beautiful', I picture something like a Pocahontas/Egyptian blend. High severe checkbones, large almond eyes, strong but slender jaw, sloping forehead.

I hope BSN is willing to be forigiving - these didn't come out like I hoped, especially the woman - but I'm thinking something like this:


The woman is, it'd imagine, a city elf: likely the servant of a minor noble since she is tidy with some makeup (fortunately not at infamous Orana levels) but nothing fancy.

The dude is Dalish. In DAII the 'mohawk' thing is pretty common, and then I added braids because hey, braids are cool. (And they're more practical in the forest than loose hair anyway.)

Good designs! They have different facial appearances than Tolkien elves and yet have realistic proportions.

Just further proof you can have unique and ordinary looking at the same time. Bioware seems to think the elves must be ugly and mutated otherwise they are "small humans with pointy ears." Well DA2 elves were still small humans just with ugly disproportionated faces and floppy ears.

So yes, they should change the the design of the elves again. Either back to the style of Origins elves or at least make the proportions of elves correct this time. No huge foreheads, big eyes, skinny necks and weird facial structures.

(And regarding the sketch again: Those designs seriously look better than DA2 elf designs. I know that might not be saying much considering how ugly DA2 elves are but there you have it.)

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 21 septembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Lasien]

Karsciyin wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

As always, and since it hasn't been posted yet,



(I have randomized their positions to highlight the general concept that applies equally to all of them)

It looks like the DAII form of elves. However I look at those and think, yeah! They look pretty good. (In fact not to different from what I picture, barring the lack of 'dip' in the nose bridge.

So.... what happened when it came to execution, then?  (Regarding the bridge, I'm fine with that dip being less prominant, but removing it all together is probably part of what put them in the uncanny valley, along with the unreasonably large eyes.)

firstly, does anyone else think the third girl from the left on top looks like natalie portman? and, I would really like to see an elf that looks like the first guy on the bottom.

Also, I would like to say that what I have said all along was that the execution was lacking, not the idea. They really only had one faceshape in DA2 - pointy. I would say that not much time was spent on elves other than main ones because BW didn't think anyone would really notice.

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

I just hope we get elves that don't look at the same. Their faces should more unique.

[KiwiQuiche]

Elanor1 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...

Seriously people that think short humans with pointy ears are better elves than the more distinct elves in DA2 are fools. While some of the elves looked ugly they could do a good job and I think they'll do a good job in 3. Orsino and Merril were fantastic looking and they were distinctly elven.

I disagree. Elves shoudn't look exactly like humans -they should be differences. Elves should be wilder with softer than humans face shape. In DA2 they look like Gollum with pointy ears. ;/ I hope when they change engine elves will look better.

Dude, I pretty much quoted that I didn't want them to look exactly like humans.

They needed a few tweaks, like the ears sticking out the side too much, elongated necks and some straight noses, but on the whole they are good.

[The Tesla Effect]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

 

 
  
In my humble opinion, they should try their hardest to capture the badassery of these 2 elves; probably just wishful thinking on my part though. <_<

^^^^ This

[TheJediSaint]

The Tesla Effect wrote...

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

(Snip!)

In my humble opinion, they should try their hardest to capture the badassery of these 2 elves; probably just wishful thinking on my part though. <_<

^^^^ This

Those elves look like humans with pointy ears, which was the probelm with Elves in DAO.  I personnally liked the way Elves looked in DA2.

[NedPepper]

Half seem to love the redesign, half abhor it. My suggestion? Find the middle ground. Keep the overall vibe of a different race. Just cut back on the long necks and emaciated bodies.

This conversation is probably moot, though. New engine means updated graphics. I think we have to look at it in comic book terms. Every artist is different, but the character still looks like the character. If they can do that, that's all you can ask for. I'm not as concerned with the elves as much as will Allistar look like Allistar or Isabella look like Isabella. I just hope they can get close enough.

[FINE HERE]

Nyoka wrote...

As always, and since it hasn't been posted yet,



(I have randomized their positions to highlight the general concept that applies equally to all of them)

Okay, these look decent now, but when they're moving or even from a profile view, they look... wrong. It's that whole forehead and bridge thing... It's unsettling... I keep thinking that something's wrong with them because it looks like there's something wrong in their foreheads...

[RazorrX]

I would like to see them tweaked to more match what the lore has said about them.

Lore states that: Elves are attractive and graceful. This is one reason they are so sought after as 'servants' in Orlais.

The Elves in DA2 are not graceful (with the exception of the Keeper when she walked into the alienage) nor are the bulk of them even close to being attractive. They need to be tweaked to move more fluidly and have a grace about them. Also the super long thin neck, big head, etc. is not attractive as a general rule. (Talis imo looked really freaky due to this) Fix the neck (Ie thicken and shorten), fix the posture, give them better clothing than the super baggy formless stuff and they would begin to look like the lore. There were a few elves in DA2 that were nice looking, just most of them looked bad.

I do not mind them looking basically different from humans, but would prefer if they matched closer to the 'beautiful, graceful, etc.' lore than the oddly proportioned hunchbacks that seemed to fill Kirkwall.

[LeoKrios]

The elves in origins look to human in my opinion. I do think that the elves in the elder scrolls are the best elves in fantasy video games. They look similar enough to not look completely alien but distinct from human, and even themselves. Obviously DA elves arent TES elves but I think if you can replicate the amount of distinction between races that would be perfect.

Modifié par LeoKrios, 22 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Dutchess]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Keep it general style of them the same but improve the way they look within it, more like Fenris, Merrill, Athenril etc. The big eyes, distinctive nose and more prominent ears worked well otherwise in my opinion.

This. Although I'd also like to see the body and neck change a bit. Making them skinnier than humans, even thin compared to humans, is one thing, but now their limbs looked like they were made of spaghetti. And the neck was just too long. That plus the odd bending that sometimes occurred in that area... screamed more "aliens" than "elves".

[LPPrince]

Honestly, I'd rather they go the safe route and go back to DAO style elves than try a redesign again and fail AGAIN.

[unbentbuzzkill]

LPPrince wrote...

Honestly, I'd rather they go the safe route and go back to DAO style elves than try a redesign again and fail AGAIN.

[Vicious]

I liked the DA2 look, but they obviously didn't put as much time into them as they should have.

[Silent 1]

This but with more Dragon Age: http://static.skyrim...-1348316353.jpg
This as a Dalish Elf: http://www.majhost.c...stStuff/elf.jpg
And This is what I feel about DA2 elves: http://fc01.devianta...edo-d41l1br.jpg

[Remmirath]

Yes, they certainly should change them. Or, in my opinion, they never should have changed them to begin with. It was strange and jarring after elves had already been established (and playable!) in the first game, and any time one ran into an elf that had been encountered before it was even worse.

Changing them back completely would be best, I think.

RazorrX wrote...

I would like to see them tweaked to more match what the lore has said about them.

Lore states that: Elves are attractive and graceful. This is one reason they are so sought after as 'servants' in Orlais.

The Elves in DA2 are not graceful (with the exception of the Keeper when she walked into the alienage) nor are the bulk of them even close to being attractive. They need to be tweaked to move more fluidly and have a grace about them. Also the super long thin neck, big head, etc. is not attractive as a general rule. (Talis imo looked really freaky due to this) Fix the neck (Ie thicken and shorten), fix the posture, give them better clothing than the super baggy formless stuff and they would begin to look like the lore. There were a few elves in DA2 that were nice looking, just most of them looked bad.

I do not mind them looking basically different from humans, but would prefer if they matched closer to the 'beautiful, graceful, etc.' lore than the oddly proportioned hunchbacks that seemed to fill Kirkwall.

Indeed. It is very odd with the lore like that, that they look how they do in DA II. Yes, one can argue up and down that there are different standards of attractiveness and that they find each other attractive - and surely those are valid points in a vacuum - but the lore as it stands pretty clearly states that  most humans do also, and that seems a bit unbelievable in II.

It would be nice if 'shorter, thinner and having pointy ears' wasn't enough of a visual difference for people to discriminate against elves based on, but I think we all know that isn't the case. That doesn't cause a lore/presentation dissonance the way the DA II designs do.

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

Silent 1 wrote...

This but with more Dragon Age: http://static.skyrim...-1348316353.jpg
This as a Dalish Elf: http://www.majhost.c...stStuff/elf.jpg
And This is what I feel about DA2 elves: http://fc01.devianta...edo-d41l1br.jpg

The first elf looks great. I really really hope they don't use the DAII Elf design. I really REALLY hate it. Please Bioware do a more attractvie design.

t3.gstatic.com/images - Uglyyyyyy

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

UPDATE- Elves will be a middle ground between DA:O and DAII.

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Tweet from Mike Laidlaw in reply to Daigon92.

Daigon92
@mike_laidlaw Are the elves appearance going to be different in DA3? Wasn't a big fan of the DA2 Elves.

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

@Daigon92 Somewhat, but they won’t go back to just humans with pointy ears. Middle ground, I expect.