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[FINE HERE]

Yes.
All the elves in DA2 look like they have some horrible brain tumor! It looks... bad. Spare the poor elves! Please!

Modifié par FINE HERE, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[Boss Fog]

Wifflebottom wrote...

Seriously people that think short humans with pointy ears are better elves than the more distinct elves in DA2 are fools. While some of the elves looked ugly they could do a good job and I think they'll do a good job in 3. Orsino and Merril were fantastic looking and they were distinctly elven.

First of all, humanoid does not necessarily mean human.  Elves are humanoid, which means they share many features with humans yet they still hold some discernable qualities.
 
http://t3.gstatic.co...QKJCcWas4NVk8K 

Now within the context of the game and the general theme that each race has; it's extremely easy to tell which one is supposed to be a human and which one is supposed to be elven.  I wouldn't necessarily say this is exactly how elves should look in DA3, but I much prefer it to looking like weird, gangly, rabbit people.  The problem is that in both DAO and DA2, the elves don't really match their concept art.  If DA2 elves actually looked like their concept art, I wouldn't mind at all, but they don't.

Also, I wouldn't go around calling people fools who don't share your viewpoint. 

Modifié par TelvanniWarlord, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Ettoyou wrote...

I liked both origins AND DA2 elves. While some might prefer one over the other, I thought they were both done well. Yes, both sides could use some tweaking here and there, but that does not necessarily mean that they were horrible. *shrugs* some people just have stronger opinions I guess.

One cannot simply approve both "elves". You're either with us "DAO elves are better" or against us "DA2 elves are better" 

[Vandicus]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

Wifflebottom wrote...

Seriously people that think short humans with pointy ears are better elves than the more distinct elves in DA2 are fools. While some of the elves looked ugly they could do a good job and I think they'll do a good job in 3. Orsino and Merril were fantastic looking and they were distinctly elven.

First of all, humanoid does not necessarily mean human.  Elves are humanoid, which means they share many features with humans yet they still hold some discernable qualities.
 
http://t3.gstatic.co...QKJCcWas4NVk8K 

Now within the context of the game and the general theme that each race has; it's extremely easy to tell which one is supposed to be a human and which one is supposed to be elven.  I wouldn't necessarily say this is exactly how elves should look in DA3, but I much prefer it to looking like weird, gangly, rabbit people.  The problem is that in both DAO and DA2, the elves don't really match their concept art.  If DA2 elves actually looked like their concept art, I wouldn't mind at all, but they don't.

Also, I wouldn't go around calling people fools who don't share your viewpoint. 

Is the first one also elven? The hair is covering the ears so I can't tell.

If one were to go by DA:O lore and appearance, one could make a very strong argument that elves aren't actually a different species than humans. 

They look like humans, they can reproduce with humans and produce human offspring who are also fertile, they have the lifespan of humans, and they think and act like humans. Basically elves in DA:O appear to be humans with a genetic recessive trait of pointy ears(which is why human/elf pairings results in rounded ears).

[OrganizedChaos826]

When I first saw the concept art of the redesign, I was pleased. They looked more like a completely different race as opposed to just smaller pointy-eared humans. However, the animations given to them, how thin their bodies were, and the strange neck movements all made me dislike the redesign as a whole.
Anyone familiar with tmp7704's elf update mod for Origins? The elves ended up looking like a cross between the DA2 elves and the Origins elves. I think that's what they should do for DA3, except I feel that they should make them a little taller.

[Rawgrim]

i thought they looked like some cartoon characters scanned into a live action movie. Like Howard the Duck, or something. they looked so off.

[Boss Fog]

Vandicus wrote...

Is the first one also elven? The hair is covering the ears so I can't tell.

If one were to go by DA:O lore and appearance, one could make a very strong argument that elves aren't actually a different species than humans. 

They look like humans, they can reproduce with humans and produce human offspring who are also fertile, they have the lifespan of humans, and they think and act like humans. Basically elves in DA:O appear to be humans with a genetic recessive trait of pointy ears(which is why human/elf pairings results in rounded ears).

The first one is clearly human.  Can you seriously not tell the difference?

[Dave of Canada]

Provided they don't go back to the horrid DA:O design and stay away from the "design" most modders use.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[Wrathion]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

First of all, humanoid does not necessarily mean human.  Elves are humanoid, which means they share many features with humans yet they still hold some discernable qualities.

How are DA2 elves not humanoid? 

*Blonde Elf* 
*Brown-haired Elf* 

but I much prefer it to looking like weird, gangly, rabbit people.  The problem is that in both DAO and DA2, the elves don't really match their concept art.  If DA2 elves actually looked like their concept art, I wouldn't mind at all, but they don't.

 

Question. Why do they look weird to you? 
I don't think how things look in concept art are supposed to how they look in game. So I tend to ignore it. 
I mean...have you SEEN concept Zevran?

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:31 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Source requested on the bolded.

 

Google.

[FieryDove]

EssEeeEcks wrote...

I'm not the only one who was creeped out by tallis was I?

Nope.

I didn't buy the dlc because of tallis. Too pointy? Angular? Something...The face was just unpleasant looking to me and from the sound of it I would be stuck with that face a long while.

I am sure the elves will be different somehow even if they want to stick with DA2 elves, new tech and all will change things up.

[Wrathion]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Source requested on the bolded.

 

Google.

I know what humanoid is. I'm just wondering where it says ELVES are humanoid. Because if they are...then DA2 are fine the way they are. You couldn't you "they're humanoid" to explain why DA2 elves shouldn't look the way they do.

[Wrathion]

FieryDove wrote...

EssEeeEcks wrote...

I'm not the only one who was creeped out by tallis was I?

Nope.

I didn't buy the dlc because of tallis. Too pointy? Angular? Something...The face was just unpleasant looking to me and from the sound of it I would be stuck with that face a long while.

I am sure the elves will be different somehow even if they want to stick with DA2 elves, new tech and all will change things up.

[Rawgrim]

Human shaped = humanoid. In case someone is wondering.

[Vandicus]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Is the first one also elven? The hair is covering the ears so I can't tell.

If one were to go by DA:O lore and appearance, one could make a very strong argument that elves aren't actually a different species than humans. 

They look like humans, they can reproduce with humans and produce human offspring who are also fertile, they have the lifespan of humans, and they think and act like humans. Basically elves in DA:O appear to be humans with a genetic recessive trait of pointy ears(which is why human/elf pairings results in rounded ears).

The first one is clearly human.  Can you seriously not tell the difference?

I never made an elf in DA:O so I'm not aware how moddable the ears are. Assuming its possible to adjust the angle so they're less perpendicular to the head, the hair in the first picture covers the ears such that pointy ears of the same length are possibly hidden by the hair(and with the hair pulled up would still have a very natural appearance).

If you're referring to same other facial feature, no I don't see it all. They both look like human women to me, the latter clearly having pointy ears with the former having ears of largely undiscernible shape. 

[FieryDove]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

SNIP

My eyes! Ahhhhhhhhh

[Welsh Inferno]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Source requested on the bolded.

 

Google.

I know what humanoid is. I'm just wondering where it says ELVES are humanoid. Because if they are...then DA2 are fine the way they are. You couldn't you "they're humanoid" to explain why DA2 elves shouldn't look the way they do.

Do you? 

Dwarves are humanoid. Qunari are humanoid. Hurlock Darkspawn are humanoid. 

[Rawgrim]

Shale is humanoid too. Not sre about Zevran, though. I think he is a homonoid. Allthough I could be wrong.

[Wrathion]

Vandicus wrote...

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Is the first one also elven? The hair is covering the ears so I can't tell.

If one were to go by DA:O lore and appearance, one could make a very strong argument that elves aren't actually a different species than humans. 

They look like humans, they can reproduce with humans and produce human offspring who are also fertile, they have the lifespan of humans, and they think and act like humans. Basically elves in DA:O appear to be humans with a genetic recessive trait of pointy ears(which is why human/elf pairings results in rounded ears).

The first one is clearly human.  Can you seriously not tell the difference?

I never made an elf in DA:O so I'm not aware how moddable the ears are. Assuming its possible to adjust the angle so they're less perpendicular to the head, the hair in the first picture covers the ears such that pointy ears of the same length are possibly hidden by the hair(and with the hair pulled up would still have a very natural appearance).

If you're referring to same other facial feature, no I don't see it all. They both look like human women to me, the latter clearly having pointy ears with the former having ears of largely undiscernible shape. 

You can only mod the ears in the toolset. Every elf in game has the same ear shape/size unmodded. The second picture has an elf that has "updated" elf years. "Updated" as in "More like DA2 elf ears"...

[Boss Fog]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

First of all, humanoid does not necessarily mean human.  Elves are humanoid, which means they share many features with humans yet they still hold some discernable qualities.

How are DA2 elves not humanoid? 

*Blonde Elf* 
*Brown-haired Elf* 

but I much prefer it to looking like weird, gangly, rabbit people.  The problem is that in both DAO and DA2, the elves don't really match their concept art.  If DA2 elves actually looked like their concept art, I wouldn't mind at all, but they don't.

 

Question. Why do they look weird to you? 
I don't think how things look in concept art are supposed to how they look in game. So I tend to ignore it. 
I mean...have you SEEN concept Zevran?

They are humanoid; I never said they weren't.  People like yourself are complaining that people like me only want humans with pointy ears which is false.  My point is that elves are supposed to look slightly human yet different.  I simply find their in game DA2 design to be horrid. 

How are things in game not supposed to look like their concept art?  They obviously cannot make everything look exactly the same because of graphical limitations but they try their best given the look the in game artists come up with.  

[Wrathion]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Source requested on the bolded.

 

Google.

I know what humanoid is. I'm just wondering where it says ELVES are humanoid. Because if they are...then DA2 are fine the way they are. You couldn't you "they're humanoid" to explain why DA2 elves shouldn't look the way they do.

Do you? 

Dwarves are humanoid. Qunari are humanoid. Hurlock Darkspawn are humanoid. 

Gah so many errors too lazy to fix it.

[Wrathion]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...


They are humanoid; I never said they weren't.  People like yourself are complaining that people like me only want humans with pointy ears which is false.  My point is that elves are supposed to look slightly human yet different.  I simply find their in game DA2 design to be horrid. 

How are things in game not supposed to look like their concept art?  They obviously cannot make everything look exactly the same because of graphical limitations but they try their best given the look the in game artists come up with.  

You're using "they're humanoid" as you think why DA2 elves should be changed. DA2 elves are humanoid. Clearly. 
Do you want elves to look like the pictures you've shown...because those are...humans with pointy ears...just sayin'

Elves aren't supposed to look like anything. They're a fantasy race...
DA2 elves look very close to their concept though...

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:50 .

[Demx]

Instead of using pictures, can people tell me what they think elves should look like in DA3?

[Eterna]

I think they should work on it and refine it, not scrap it. The look they went for in DA2 can work if they flesh it out a bit. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 18 septembre 2012 - 03:50 .

[Rawgrim]

Siradix wrote...

Instead of using pictures, can people tell me what they think elves should look like in DA3?

They should look like non-anime\\cartoon creatures. Simple as that.