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[BouncyFrag]

Jarl Johnnie Walker wrote...

Anyway we can get a zooming in gif of this?

[superdeathdealer14]

Apparently I can pre-order DAI at EB games and at Harvey Norman, I probably shouldn't but it is very tempting.

[Ridwan]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

JCAP wrote...

EarthShake wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

Are you serious? After DA2 and ME3 no one should ever pre-order anything from Bioware. Let the game come out first. Let others spend their money to see if Bioware botched this game as badly as the others. Then, if they've not botched it up, spend you money - but do so via a vendor which allows for returns.

Some of us liked DA2 and ME3 and would like to pre-order DA3.

maybe you should wait for gameplays and reviews before buying anything...

Lol.....NO.  

When will some of the people on these forums get it through their heads? A lot of people loved DA:O AND DA2. BioWare has not let me down with the DA games in any way! In fact, I think they have continued to evolve and improve the franchise. No game is perfect, and anyone who has such expectations is going to be disappointed.

I can't understand the continued hate toward DA2 and the fans that like the games BioWare makes. I can't wait to pre-order DA:I, because I have every confidence that the Dragon Age team is going to make another awesome game, and I can't wait to experience it.

My only difficulty is in trying to understand why people who only criticise and find fault with BioWare games continue to waste their time on these boards talking about games they dislike, and future titles that they also expect to hate.

This:

That post you quoted is fanboyism personified. Dragon Age 2 improved? How? By reusing zones over and over again?

Modifié par M25105, 15 janvier 2014 - 09:24 .

[Chari]

I'll wait till reviews are released

[DonaldFwump]

M25105 wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

JCAP wrote...

EarthShake wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

Are you serious? After DA2 and ME3 no one should ever pre-order anything from Bioware. Let the game come out first. Let others spend their money to see if Bioware botched this game as badly as the others. Then, if they've not botched it up, spend you money - but do so via a vendor which allows for returns.

Some of us liked DA2 and ME3 and would like to pre-order DA3.

maybe you should wait for gameplays and reviews before buying anything...

Lol.....NO.  

When will some of the people on these forums get it through their heads? A lot of people loved DA:O AND DA2. BioWare has not let me down with the DA games in any way! In fact, I think they have continued to evolve and improve the franchise. No game is perfect, and anyone who has such expectations is going to be disappointed.

I can't understand the continued hate toward DA2 and the fans that like the games BioWare makes. I can't wait to pre-order DA:I, because I have every confidence that the Dragon Age team is going to make another awesome game, and I can't wait to experience it.

My only difficulty is in trying to understand why people who only criticise and find fault with BioWare games continue to waste their time on these boards talking about games they dislike, and future titles that they also expect to hate.

This:

That post you quoted is fanboyism personified. Dragon Age 2 improved? How? By reusing zones over and over again?

So them having their own opinion on a game makes them a fanboy?  I mean it doesn't make you a "fanboy" when you can't understand why some one dislikes a game so passionately when you enjoyed it an equal amount as they hated it.  I enjoyed DA2 but it definitely had its faults, one of them being the reused environments.  It didn't kill the game for me, but it dissapointed me for sure.  So maybe some people don't care as much about reused environments as you or others.  Also, if a franchise has to continued to please you, that automatically makes you a fanboy too?  If you keep enjoying games in a series I don't see why that makes you anything other than a person who enjoys the series.  Now if they said "it's dragon age, it HAS to be good because there is no wrong," or "Bioware made it, take my money because Bioware is dev god," then I would agree with you.  The way they stated it, they're just saying they haven't been let down like you have.  Nothing wrong with that.  The way you act though makes you sound like a hater. 

[WonderNubs23]

*didnt want to quote all of that ^^, but this is in response to the recent conversation.


DA2 wasn't necessarily a "bad game". Reused environments, small amounts of reused background characters, a generic inventory system, a (relatively) tiny map, a lacking in character depth, and limited customization options are all complaints from players and critics. And I tend to have the same gripes. However, in my humble opinion, they also are all evidence of a rush-job. I believe that if the DA guys had had more time, the game would have been more of what we were all expecting. But if you take DA2 by itself, it's not a bad game. I actually think if it had been released before DA:O, it would've been received much better. Considering how much time the DA team has now, and the amount of effort they have put--and continue to put--into fan feedback, gives me hope for the game. And after seeing all the updates on character write ups, customization, artwork, mechanics, and just the general hard work by the devs, I have no reservations. I'm just going in with an open mind this time. But I am definitely pre-ordering.

[DonaldFwump]

WonderNubs23 wrote...

*didnt want to quote all of that ^^, but this is in response to the recent conversation.


DA2 wasn't necessarily a "bad game". Reused environments, small amounts of reused background characters, a generic inventory system, a (relatively) tiny map, a lacking in character depth, and limited customization options are all complaints from players and critics. And I tend to have the same gripes. However, in my humble opinion, they also are all evidence of a rush-job. I believe that if the DA guys had had more time, the game would have been more of what we were all expecting. But if you take DA2 by itself, it's not a bad game. I actually think if it had been released before DA:O, it would've been received much better. Considering how much time the DA team has now, and the amount of effort they have put--and continue to put--into fan feedback, gives me hope for the game. And after seeing all the updates on character write ups, customization, artwork, mechanics, and just the general hard work by the devs, I have no reservations. I'm just going in with an open mind this time. But I am definitely pre-ordering.

Agreed.  DA2 felt very rushed.  I'm glad Bioware seems to have more development time on DA:I.  Hopefully they really are going to fix some of the issues people had with previous games.  We shall see!  Definitely pre-ordering though, from what I've seen it's shaping up to be pretty good.

Side note:  about the above conversations I hope no one gets the impression that I'm against expressing opinions negative or positive.  Constructive criticism helps, Bioware has listened to some of it (it seems).  Labeling people and trying to tell them they're wrong and here's why is not helpful. 

[BouncyFrag]

M25105 wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

JCAP wrote...

EarthShake wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

Are you serious? After DA2 and ME3 no one should ever pre-order anything from Bioware. Let the game come out first. Let others spend their money to see if Bioware botched this game as badly as the others. Then, if they've not botched it up, spend you money - but do so via a vendor which allows for returns.

Some of us liked DA2 and ME3 and would like to pre-order DA3.

maybe you should wait for gameplays and reviews before buying anything...

Lol.....NO.  

When will some of the people on these forums get it through their heads? A lot of people loved DA:O AND DA2. BioWare has not let me down with the DA games in any way! In fact, I think they have continued to evolve and improve the franchise. No game is perfect, and anyone who has such expectations is going to be disappointed.

I can't understand the continued hate toward DA2 and the fans that like the games BioWare makes. I can't wait to pre-order DA:I, because I have every confidence that the Dragon Age team is going to make another awesome game, and I can't wait to experience it.

My only difficulty is in trying to understand why people who only criticise and find fault with BioWare games continue to waste their time on these boards talking about games they dislike, and future titles that they also expect to hate.

This:

That post you quoted is fanboyism personified. Dragon Age 2 improved? How? By reusing zones over and over again?

I wasn't a big fan of the reused zones either but I've moved on unlike you who resorts to name calling when somebody dares to like something you don't like. You personify the message of that pic perfectly. 

[Ridwan]

BouncyFrag wrote...

M25105 wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

JCAP wrote...

EarthShake wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

Are you serious? After DA2 and ME3 no one should ever pre-order anything from Bioware. Let the game come out first. Let others spend their money to see if Bioware botched this game as badly as the others. Then, if they've not botched it up, spend you money - but do so via a vendor which allows for returns.

Some of us liked DA2 and ME3 and would like to pre-order DA3.

maybe you should wait for gameplays and reviews before buying anything...

Lol.....NO.  

When will some of the people on these forums get it through their heads? A lot of people loved DA:O AND DA2. BioWare has not let me down with the DA games in any way! In fact, I think they have continued to evolve and improve the franchise. No game is perfect, and anyone who has such expectations is going to be disappointed.

I can't understand the continued hate toward DA2 and the fans that like the games BioWare makes. I can't wait to pre-order DA:I, because I have every confidence that the Dragon Age team is going to make another awesome game, and I can't wait to experience it.

My only difficulty is in trying to understand why people who only criticise and find fault with BioWare games continue to waste their time on these boards talking about games they dislike, and future titles that they also expect to hate.

This:

That post you quoted is fanboyism personified. Dragon Age 2 improved? How? By reusing zones over and over again?

I wasn't a big fan of the reused zones either but I've moved on unlike you who resorts to name calling when somebody dares to like something you don't like. You personify the message of that pic perfectly. 

Yeah I'm at fault for calling out a person saying that a game improved another game, when it was actually a regression.

[AmRMa]

DA2 had its faults and so did DA:O (in fact every game that I have ever played had faults) but I still enjoyed both of the games, so no I have nothing holding me back from pre-ordering. If you don't want to then don't, but you shouldn't tell people what to do based on your opinion or call them fanboys just because they enjoyed a game you didn't.

Modifié par AmRMa, 15 janvier 2014 - 07:07 .

[Ridwan]

AmRMa wrote...

DA2 had its faults and so did DA:O (in fact every game that I have ever played had faults) but I still enjoyed both of the games, so no I have nothing holding me back from pre-ordering. If you don't want to then don't, but you shouldn't tell people what to do based on your opinion or call them fanboys just because they enjoyed a game you didn't.

And what if DA:I is another rush job? You're pre-ordering something you have no clue what it will be like. And I sure as hell won't take my comment back, cause I'm right. Yup I said, I'm right. You see if you pre-order something without knowing one thing about the game, you're a fanboy. You're blindly giving them your money without a clue if the game will sink or swim. And given Bioware's recent track record with SWTOR, DA 2 and ME 3 I don't think that anyone can pre-order their game without being a fan. Remember fan is short for fanatic.

The poster that I was mentioning said that Dragon Age 2 was an improvement. In what world? Making humans the only race that you're able to play? Getting rid of dialouge options in favour of a wheel ("Press heart to flirt" as it was hard to figure out previously)? Invisible wave spawning enemies that leap out of thin air? The same zones used over and over again? One hub world? Hell I could even go so far as to say that Anders is a flaw. Since in Dragon Age: Origins, if you didn't want to play a healer you could make Morrigan a healer in case you didn't like to have Wynne with you. In DA 2 we had the sis (depending on your class), who will leave and Anders. So if you weren't playing a healer yourself you were stuck with a character that quite a lot of people seem to despise.

So when I read that a person writes that DA2 was an improvement and that their going to pre-order then I'll call that person a fanboy.

Modifié par M25105, 15 janvier 2014 - 08:08 .

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I don't remember Morinth being in DA:O

[Ridwan]

Threat300 wrote...

I don't remember Morinth being in DA:O

Morrigan, brain fart.

[Vandicus]

M25105 wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

DA2 had its faults and so did DA:O (in fact every game that I have ever played had faults) but I still enjoyed both of the games, so no I have nothing holding me back from pre-ordering. If you don't want to then don't, but you shouldn't tell people what to do based on your opinion or call them fanboys just because they enjoyed a game you didn't.

And what if DA:I is another rush job? You're pre-ordering something you have no clue what it will be like. And I sure as hell won't take my comment back, cause I'm right. Yup I said, I'm right. You see if you pre-order something without knowing one thing about the game, you're a fanboy. You're blindly giving them your money without a clue if the game will sink or swim. And given Bioware's recent track record with SWTOR, DA 2 and ME 3 I don't think that anyone can pre-order their game without being a fan. Remember fan is short for fanatic.

The poster that I was mentioning said that Dragon Age 2 was an improvement. In what world? Making humans the only race that you're able to play? Getting rid of dialouge options in favour of a wheel ("Press heart to flirt" as it was hard to figure out previously)? Invisible wave spawning enemies that leap out of thin air? The same zones used over and over again? One hub world? Hell I could even go so far as to say that Anders is a flaw. Since in Dragon Age: Origins, if you didn't want to play a healer you could make Morinth a healer in case you didn't like to have Wynne with you. In DA 2 we had the sis (depending on your class) and Anders. So if you weren't playing a healer yourself you were stuck with a character that quite a lot of people seem to despise.

So when I read that a person writes that DA2 was an improvement and that their going to pre-order then I'll call that person a fanboy.

DA2 was released 11 months after Awakening. Definitely a rush. However, I liked a lot of conceptual changes from DA:O to DA2. Hopefully DA:I with its longer development cycle is in a state of greater completion when it releases.

Lets not pretend DA:O was an absolutely perfect gem. Having players mod out huge portions of the game because they were essentially grinds shows that there was space for improvement.

DA2 had better side quests. Obligatory exploration and return quests aside and those bandit killing quests aside, DA2 quests started a trend(I hope) towards side quests being more than just a source of xp and gold, with many of the characters and events carrying over into future acts. 

DA2 was more personal in its storyline. 
Combat wasn't as broken balance-wise in DA2 as it was in DA:O. Better isn't perfect, but its still miles better than DA:O.
The main character was not a superhero, he was unable to save a lot of people. To me a flawed character is superior to an untouchable paragon of virtue.
DA2 was not about humans vs orcs, excuse me, "darkspawn". Also interestingly, it spawned our long debates about mages. It had to have some depth to get us discussing that for so long.
The serialization of companion quests rather than just having a single companion quest was nice.
No arbitrary gift system.
A companion affection system that was more than just like/dislike.


Now as for people being fanboys, I like to think we just have the luxury of not counting every penny we spend. $60-100 for a preorder which comes with some nice benefits? Sure, why not? If a game turns out to be not to my taste, oh well. I've bought games(post-launch) before without checking reviews and such that I didn't like. I also didn't like AC3 despite all the positive reveiws and hype about it, and I only bought it months after release. So, not pre-ordering a game doesn't necessarily protect me from buying a bad game or a game that I dislike. So I might as well pre-order. Does that make me a fanboy?

Modifié par Vandicus, 15 janvier 2014 - 08:15 .

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Ive enjoyed every BW game, is sad tbh that people get attacked if they dare admit to getting enjoyment from playing DA2 or ME3.

[Ridwan]

I don't think I'm going to bother with this thread anymore. I said my piece.

Modifié par M25105, 15 janvier 2014 - 08:30 .

[stonemyst]

well I'm a fan as I still doing replays of DAO to see all the variations of imports to see what effect it will have on DAI. I want to pre order especially if they put in a bonus DLC that you cant just get added later. I will still buy the game as it does look awesome.

[AmRMa]

M25105 wrote...

AmRMa wrote...

DA2 had its faults and so did DA:O (in fact every game that I have ever played had faults) but I still enjoyed both of the games, so no I have nothing holding me back from pre-ordering. If you don't want to then don't, but you shouldn't tell people what to do based on your opinion or call them fanboys just because they enjoyed a game you didn't.

And what if DA:I is another rush job? You're pre-ordering something you have no clue what it will be like. And I sure as hell won't take my comment back, cause I'm right. Yup I said, I'm right. You see if you pre-order something without knowing one thing about the game, you're a fanboy. You're blindly giving them your money without a clue if the game will sink or swim. And given Bioware's recent track record with SWTOR, DA 2 and ME 3 I don't think that anyone can pre-order their game without being a fan. Remember fan is short for fanatic.

The poster that I was mentioning said that Dragon Age 2 was an improvement. In what world? Making humans the only race that you're able to play? Getting rid of dialouge options in favour of a wheel ("Press heart to flirt" as it was hard to figure out previously)? Invisible wave spawning enemies that leap out of thin air? The same zones used over and over again? One hub world? Hell I could even go so far as to say that Anders is a flaw. Since in Dragon Age: Origins, if you didn't want to play a healer you could make Morrigan a healer in case you didn't like to have Wynne with you. In DA 2 we had the sis (depending on your class), who will leave and Anders. So if you weren't playing a healer yourself you were stuck with a character that quite a lot of people seem to despise.

So when I read that a person writes that DA2 was an improvement and that their going to pre-order then I'll call that person a fanboy.

I am kind of confused by you. You have the ability to articulate yourself well but still have the understanding comparable to a twelve year old saying "This is dumb because I don't like it so you are dumb for liking it". I didn't like the combat waves of enemies in DA2, can hardly stand the slow attacks of DA:O and I think that the reason that they put the flirt button on was because people complained how they were tricked into romance with Zevran. I personally liked Anders but killed him a couple times in game for different endings so no not a fangirl of Anders but liked the character.

Overall I still enjoyed the games and I am not a huge MMO person but I have been enjoying the stories and gameplay in SWTOR so I do play it on occasion- I prefer to play it as a more single player experience and wish they had made a single player game instead. So I am aware of the faults but I have played other games with faults and still enjoyed them- such as Dragon's Dogma and its poor traveling system, repetitive enemies, pawns running towards enemies when I want to escape, to name a few but I still like playing it because I enjoy it more than I am annoyed by the flaws. Do you get it now? Can you try to see from another's point of view?

Also I will pre-order because so far I like everything I've heard and seen and I make up my own mind about what I might find enjoyable.

[Gregolian]

RaidenXS wrote...

wait a month before release. all the good preorder stuff gets released then that way you can make an informed desicion. Then again gamestop is a safe bet. they get all the good preorder stuff especially from EA.

If it's an EA game go to GameStop and get the CE.  You'll get pretty much everything if I am not incorrect.

[Angrywolves]

"So when I read that a person writes that DA2 was an improvement and that their going to pre-order then I'll call that person a fanboy."

a little harsh. hahahaha.
Yes I have been called mean by others in the forum for telling them they're wrong.

If someone liked DA2, or ME3s original endings, or FFXIII, or FFX2 or Aliens Colonial Marines, or Dead Space 3 or whatever.A game that others have criticized, that's their right to like it.
But they certainly should not say it's an improvement over other games when it clearly is not.

DA 2 was rushed and ill conceived in many respects. If some players ;like it that's fine.But they should never say imo that's it's better than DAO or an improvement over DAO..
That is just my opinion on the matter.

I never preorder a game.
I always read and watch reviews.What's the rush ?
Better to just wait and see /make sure it is good and then buy it.

[Yggdrasil]

M25105 wrote...
And what if DA:I is another rush job? You're pre-ordering something you have no clue what it will be like. And I sure as hell won't take my comment back, cause I'm right. Yup I said, I'm right. You see if you pre-order something without knowing one thing about the game, you're a fanboy. You're blindly giving them your money without a clue if the game will sink or swim. And given Bioware's recent track record with SWTOR, DA 2 and ME 3 I don't think that anyone can pre-order their game without being a fan. Remember fan is short for fanatic.

Please feel free to call me a "fanboy" if that gives you some kind of smug satisfaction.  My point is that I'm not planning to order the game without having information based upon my experience.  Bioware has made five games that I have absolutely adored; therefore, it is reasonable and logical to assume that the third installment of my favorite video game of all time will be something I will also enjoy.  The other Bioware games have had there flaws, but - as someone pointed out above - so has every other video game I have ever played.  I simply don't expect everything to be perfect and catered specifically to my personal tastes.

[Ninja Stan]

No longer on topic.

End of line.