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[CuriousArtemis]

They will have the usual all bi companions, 2 male, 2 female. If resources allow (but not likely) they would prefer to do it like ME3 (some straight, some bi, some gay). But we will not have an Origins situation again.

In DA2, Anders and Isabela were the companions with the most impact on the storyline, regardless of romance. Both were bi.

[Battlebloodmage]

Hopefully, it continues. In ME3, I really wish they have more choices for M/M. Most of the relationships in the game are either for straights or lesbians. Of course it would reflect their core straight male audience. Even though they have a more diverse cast, I don't think ME is really champion for S/S since they waited until the third game to actually implement it in fair of controversy. The same with SWTOR, the developers want to cater to their core audience so they remove the same-sex to maximize the most sales. I like Dragon Age in the respect that M/M relationship exists right from the start. There are even M/M NPCs in it.

[Dhiro]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Hopefully, it continues. In ME3, I really wish they have more choices for M/M. Most of the relationships in the game are either for straights or lesbians. Of course it would reflect their core straight male audience. Even though they have a more diverse cast, I don't think ME is really champion for S/S since they waited until the third game to actually implement it in fair of controversy. The same with SWTOR, the developers want to cater to their core audience so they remove the same-sex to maximize the most sales. I like Dragon Age in the respect that M/M relationship exists right from the start. There are even M/M NPCs in it.

I was disappointed with TOR, in this regard, since they already decided to have some risks - as far as the dialogue and relationships in a mmo are concerned, anyway. Alas, no love for S/S romances. The devs did say that they would implement it somewhere around this year... but they don't have a lot of time left.

But then, we we always have the Dragon Age team. I find their support very refreshing.

[Dhiro]

I don't hate playing another gender. However, the willingness of the devs to give homosexul players the same number of LIs as their heterosexual peers means a great deal. Realism doesn't really means much here, nor do I care.

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Hopefully, it continues. In ME3, I really wish they have more choices for M/M. Most of the relationships in the game are either for straights or lesbians. Of course it would reflect their core straight male audience. Even though they have a more diverse cast, I don't think ME is really champion for S/S since they waited until the third game to actually implement it in fair of controversy. The same with SWTOR, the developers want to cater to their core audience so they remove the same-sex to maximize the most sales. I like Dragon Age in the respect that M/M relationship exists right from the start. There are even M/M NPCs in it.

I was disappointed with TOR, in this regard, since they already decided to have some risks - as far as the dialogue and relationships in a mmo are concerned, anyway. Alas, no love for S/S romances. The devs did say that they would implement it somewhere around this year... but they don't have a lot of time left.

But then, we we always have the Dragon Age team. I find their support very refreshing.

I just don't like when people keep referring to ME as an example when they don't even have them until the third game. DA has them from the very beginning. . I find it refreshing that DA team puts that in knowing the backlash. In the end, the backlast has nothing to do with the S/S romance. If a game is good, it will sale. DAO is one of the games that rack in the most sales for Bioware. It's not the gay romance that developers should worry about, it's whether or not the game is good. As David Gaider has said, the romance is just an optional part of the game. SWTOR team has S/S romance as one of their lowest priorities, so I'm not surprise. I would understand if it's a free game. It's a subscription game, which means that there are developers constantly working on it. Regardless, it shouldn't have taken up to a year for it to be released. They said they want to do it right, but I doubt they are even working on it right now. They are too busy working on the free to play model while ignoring the gaymers. At least, the failure of the game can't be blamed for the inclusion of s/s this time.

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...

I don't hate playing another gender. However, the willingness of the devs to give homosexul players the same number of LIs as their heterosexual peers means a great deal. Realism doesn't really means much here, nor do I care.

I agree, it's a game, so I don't need it to reflect real life.

[Dhiro]

ME is used as an example because it introduces the concept of a straight, a bisexual and a homosexual LI. It doesn't work the same way for straight males and lesbian females because the romances from previous games still exist in ME3 - and, of course, a couple the straight FemShep LIs met undesirable ends.

That said, Juhani from KotOR was lesbian.

[Battlebloodmage]

franciscoamell wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I don't hate playing another gender. However, the willingness of the devs to give homosexul players the same number of LIs as their heterosexual peers means a great deal. Realism doesn't really means much here, nor do I care.

I agree, it's a game, so I don't need it to reflect real life.

Going by that logic, you should be happy with having the man of your dreams in a game but playing as a woman.

I roleplay as the character. I want to be the character in the romance. I wish for there to be more male romance, but I don't wish to be a woman.

[Dhiro]

franciscoamell wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I don't hate playing another gender. However, the willingness of the devs to give homosexul players the same number of LIs as their heterosexual peers means a great deal. Realism doesn't really means much here, nor do I care.

I agree, it's a game, so I don't need it to reflect real life.

Going by that logic, you should be happy with having the man of your dreams in a game but playing as a woman.

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.

[Dhiro]

franciscoamell wrote...

What I meant is that if you don't want the game to reflect your real life, you don't need to play the game roleplaying as a character of the same gender as you. But, I'm sorry, that wasn't the best way to phrase that.

All I want to say, is that I'll be happy even if I have to romance my favorite LI as a man. My favorite LI may be female, actually. In DAO I was going to romance Zevran because I'm gay irl and wanted to be gay in-game as well, but Morrigan was so awesome that I romanced her instead.

Fair enough. I did romance all the characters in Origins, myself, and am on my way to finish romancing Isabela. But, this being the M/M thread, most people will argue for equal options. Or, at least, not to be stuck with a single characters.

That doesn't inherently means that those people will only romance the M/M option in all their playthroughs, but keep in mind that having same sex relationships well represented in the mainstream media is good.

[Dhiro]

Oh, I know. Heya from Nordeste.

About Anders' line, I somehow felt like he was trying to find an excuse for enjoying men (it gets lonely in the Circle etc), but bleh. I'm all for having the romance playing out differently depending of your gender though, and I trust the devs to know when it stops being depth and flavor and starts being offensive.

[Dhiro]

Nope! Having to justify it rubs me the wrong way, but that's mostly because I've read conflicting reports about how Thedas sees homosexuality, so I can never link his reaction properly to the lore.

[CuriousArtemis]

I agree that the ME3 romance situation was not ideal, but was just pointing out that someone (think it was DG??) said s/he would prefer DA3 to be like ME3 in terms of romantic opportunity, but that they probably would continue with DA2's all bi option instead (my personal favorite anyway).

I'm really not a fan of making some romance-able characters gay or straight instead of bi; I don't know why anyone would want to limit player choice so as to more accurately match the misery of the real world lol

Now, having gay and straight non-romanceable NPC's, yes please.

[CuriousArtemis]

Well I suppose it's your personal opinion that you find the characters easier to relate to if they are gay or straight instead of all four being bi. As for me, a person's sexuality plays no part in my friendship and interest in them (other than romantic, of course), so I don't feel a character's sexuality really plays a part in his/her "believability" or "relateability."

Modifié par motomotogirl, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:41 .

[Battlebloodmage]

[quote]franciscoamell wrote...

[quote]motomotogirl wrote...
I'm really not a fan of making some romance-able characters gay or straight instead of bi; I don't know why anyone would want to limit player choice so as to more accurately match the misery of the real world lol 
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It makes things more believable, and the characters easier to relate. Do you think the world is miserable because not everyone is bi?[/quote]I think there's real life and there's fantasy. I think the point is that people should be able to be with whoever they wish, at least in the fantasy world.

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I think there's real life and there's fantasy. I think the point is that people should be able to be with whoever they wish, at least in the fantasy world.

Great point!

[CuriousArtemis]

I just am not sure about the believe-ability part, either. I've worked in a department before with multiple co-workers who happened to be bi. Of course many were gay, as well. One woman I didn't discover was lesbian until four years after I started working there.

The tendency tends to be to assume everyone is straight until proven otherwise.