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[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Well if Cullen's a LI I will probably play a mage. So that means for my non-mage playthroughs, a mage LI would be nice....

Cullen is destined to be with a mage. He doesn't seem to be opposed to the idea since he did have a crush on Amell. I'll probably romance him with a bloodmage. It's a heavy risk that he may reject my PC, but the priiiize. I kinda want to see a Kossith mage as a LI. It would be very interesting. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Sadly, judging from DG's recent comments in the kossith LI thread, I don't think we will get a kossith LI any time soon I could be wrong and I hope I am, because that would be a dream come true! Although a little bittersweet because my star pairing is a kossith x elf. Yes, yes, don't talk to me about "OMG That would hurt so much" ... first of all, get your mind out of the gutter lol secondly, they wouldn't have to do "that" as some couples don't do "that" anyway. But I digress. *pet peeve topic here*

[Dhiro]

I always had the feeling that Cullen hated himself for his Amell crush. Also, the Saarebas' 'lips stitches together' thing may make romancing them a bit hard

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Sadly, judging from DG's recent comments in the kossith LI thread, I don't think we will get a kossith LI any time soon I could be wrong and I hope I am, because that would be a dream come true! Although a little bittersweet because my star pairing is a kossith x elf. Yes, yes, don't talk to me about "OMG That would hurt so much" ... first of all, get your mind out of the gutter lol secondly, they wouldn't have to do "that" as some couples don't do "that" anyway. But I digress. *pet peeve topic here*

You love to pair elves with everyone, just saying.

While I love the idea of a Kossith love interest, I also like the idea of a forbidden love with a qunnari. Maybe an elf LI who follows the qunn. I probably should be too eager when discussing kossith LI earlier, so it may discourage David Gaider as a writer. I honestly find a qunn LI to be very interesting and refreshing, it doesn't have to be a kossith.

[legbamel]

Dhiro wrote...
I'm also okay with a 'strapping butch' mage.

Mmmmm, this!  Why are all mages scrawny or willowy?  Surely some of them are strapping young bucks! 

[Battlebloodmage]

Just reading some stuffs from SWTOR board, the S/S crowd from that game are being treated like second-class citizen. It makes me kinda feel bad for asking too much about the M/M from DA team.

I shouldn't take DA team for granted. I'm sure whatever romance they come up with for M/M, they would have us in mind when writing it.

[MattH]

I honestly don't want to see 'Who's the girl in the relationship' sort of romances. There is no girl, they're both guys, leave it at that. I thought DA2 did this quite well with both Anders and Fenris, both relationships felt very equal. Once you start falling into clichés it starts to loose the believability of them being together. Like wise with any Lesbian relationships.

Modifié par MH19, 26 octobre 2012 - 11:50 .

[Battlebloodmage]

MH19 wrote...

I honestly don't want to see 'Who's the girl in the relationship' sort of romances. There is no girl, they're both guys, leave it at that. I thought DA2 did this quite well with both Anders and Fenris, both relationships felt very equal. Once you start falling into clichés it starts to loose the believability of them being together. Like wise with any Lesbian relationships.

Ironically enough, Gamlen will comment on Fenris and Anders being the girl in the relationship.

I do need some extra clarification though, what do you mean "who's the girl in the relationship"? Someone who needs protection or do you refer to the masculinity of the characters?

[Dhiro]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MH19 wrote...

I honestly don't want to see 'Who's the girl in the relationship' sort of romances. There is no girl, they're both guys, leave it at that. I thought DA2 did this quite well with both Anders and Fenris, both relationships felt very equal. Once you start falling into clichés it starts to loose the believability of them being together. Like wise with any Lesbian relationships.

Ironically enough, Gamlen will comment on Fenris and Anders being the girl in the relationship.

I do need some extra clarification though, what do you mean "who's the girl in the relationship"? Someone who needs protection or do you refer to the masculinity of the characters?

For, say, some people in the slash/yaoi community there is the misconception that in a gay relationship a man must be manly and the other must be girly is very common. They even apply the same social gender roles to those people - the "girl" must be thin, cute and cheerful while the 'man" must be big, strong and silent. That is, of course, ridiculous.

Ho-we-ver, I don't feel that this threads want this kind of thing as much as a "manly-looking" character. I don't particularly care for a "manly" personality though, since they usually don't feel that interesting.

Modifié par Dhiro, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Dhiro wrote...

I always had the feeling that Cullen hated himself for his Amell crush.

I got that feeling, too. However, keep in mind that Cullen was probably 18-22 years old at the time. He'll be in his, what, mid-30s now? He's mellowed, and he's more thoughtful (as anyone would be). So I think a mage love interest would challenge him in interesting ways.

Not saying I won't replay the whole thing and re-romance him with a rogue, too, but ya know, whatever 

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You love to pair elves with everyone, just saying.

While I love the idea of a Kossith love interest, I also like the idea of a forbidden love with a qunnari. Maybe an elf LI who follows the qunn. I probably should be too eager when discussing kossith LI earlier, so it may discourage David Gaider as a writer. I honestly find a qunn LI to be very interesting and refreshing, it doesn't have to be a kossith.

Yes, yes, I cannot tell a lie xD Elves... 

Oh my, I am the opposite; I'd rather a kossith who is former-Qun. I dunno why. I like the thought of someone born into that culture and then rejecting it, like Maraas. 

Speaking of which, how awesome would Maraas be as a LI. A girl can dream :innocent:

[CuriousArtemis]

MH19 wrote...

I honestly don't want to see 'Who's the girl in the relationship' sort of romances. There is no girl, they're both guys, leave it at that. I thought DA2 did this quite well with both Anders and Fenris, both relationships felt very equal. Once you start falling into clichés it starts to loose the believability of them being together. Like wise with any Lesbian relationships.

Ditto. I think the DA2 relationships were all handled nicely. Though let's be honest, the placement of Hawke's hands in the Fenris relationship, when they're kissing or embracing, always has Hawke with his arms around Fen's waist and Fen's arms aound Hawke's neck. So it IS rather heteronormative. I don't really care though. In my playthroughs, Hawke is the confident (okay, overly confident and bordering on annoying) one whereas Fenris is the prickly-on-the-outside but just-needs-a-hug on the outside kind of guy. So it works.

Yaoi/BL is not ALWAYS so heteronormative; there are plenty of older uke, taller uke, more masculine uke, etc. manga out there. But when it comes to the bedroom, yup, yaoi/BL mangaka love heteronormative top/bottom relationships. Since yaoi/BL is fantasy for women by women, it is understandalbe and okay (since it's female erotica at heart). And most mature fans know "real life" is different.

It's the young fans who often get a distorted view of men and relationships from these manga that they AREN'T supposed to be reading anyway....

[Battlebloodmage]

Dhiro wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MH19 wrote...

I honestly don't want to see 'Who's the girl in the relationship' sort of romances. There is no girl, they're both guys, leave it at that. I thought DA2 did this quite well with both Anders and Fenris, both relationships felt very equal. Once you start falling into clichés it starts to loose the believability of them being together. Like wise with any Lesbian relationships.

Ironically enough, Gamlen will comment on Fenris and Anders being the girl in the relationship.

I do need some extra clarification though, what do you mean "who's the girl in the relationship"? Someone who needs protection or do you refer to the masculinity of the characters?

In, say, the slash/yaoi community the misconception that in a gay relationship a man must be manly and the other must be girly is very common. They even apply the same social gender roles to those people - the "girl" must be thin, cute and cheerful while the 'man" must be big, strong and silent. That is, of course, ridiculous.

Ho-we-ver, I don't feel that this threads want this kind of thing as much as a "manly-looking" character. I don't particularly care for a "manly" personality though, since they usually don't feel that interesting.

Different people may have different definition of masculinity. Someone may find a man who doesn't afraid to show his feeling to be masculine while others find that feminine. It's just depending on the person and the concept they apply to the social norms. I don't need a butch guy and definitely not a flamboyant guy, I want an everyday guy like Alistair or Kaidan, although a lot of people find them either whiny or boring. I find those personalities to be very sweet.

I don't think yaoi community is that bad, I know some girls starting to try for M/M romance in games after "experience" yaoi. I think they like the equal dynamic of the relationship where both parties are being treated as equal. It's not so much the misconception that there has to be a "uke" in the relationship as it's a lot more easier for them to relate to the "uke" since the majority of the yaoi fans are girls. I hope I don't generalize too much.

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I don't think yaoi community is that bad, I know some girls starting to try for M/M romance in games after "experience" yaoi. I think they like the equal dynamic of the relationship where both parties are being treated as equal. It's not so much the misconception that there has to be a "uke" in the relationship as it's a lot more easier for them to relate to the "uke" since the majority of the yaoi fans are girls. I hope I don't generalize too much.

I think you summed up the BL community and why women respond to this kind of narrative very well! 

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I
don't think yaoi community is that bad, I know some girls starting to
try for M/M romance in games after "experience" yaoi. I think they like
the equal dynamic of the relationship where both parties are being
treated as equal. It's not so much the misconception that there has to
be a "uke" in the relationship as it's a lot more easier for them to
relate to the "uke" since the majority of the yaoi fans are girls. I
hope I don't generalize too much. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

I think you summed up the BL community and why women respond to this kind of narrative very well! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

lol, I was just taking a stab in the dark, surprise to see how accurate that was based on your previous post. I should go into therapist.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:21 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I
don't think yaoi community is that bad, I know some girls starting to
try for M/M romance in games after "experience" yaoi. I think they like
the equal dynamic of the relationship where both parties are being
treated as equal. It's not so much the misconception that there has to
be a "uke" in the relationship as it's a lot more easier for them to
relate to the "uke" since the majority of the yaoi fans are girls. I
hope I don't generalize too much. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

I think you summed up the BL community and why women respond to this kind of narrative very well! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

lol, I was just taking a stab in the dark, surprise to see how accurate that was based on your previous post. I should go into therapist.

Yes you did good, son; you should consider a career change 

[Dhiro]

I realize that I've done some generalization of the slash/BL/yaoi community, so I've edited my post. My point is still the same though.

[CuriousArtemis]

Pshaw, no one was offended, my dear; I am definitely part of the BL community and I know exactly what you meant.

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You love to pair elves with everyone, just saying.

While I love the idea of a Kossith love interest, I also like the idea of a forbidden love with a qunnari. Maybe an elf LI who follows the qunn. I probably should be too eager when discussing kossith LI earlier, so it may discourage David Gaider as a writer. I honestly find a qunn LI to be very interesting and refreshing, it doesn't have to be a kossith.

Yes, yes, I cannot tell a lie xD Elves... 

Oh my, I am the opposite; I'd rather a kossith who is former-Qun. I dunno why. I like the thought of someone born into that culture and then rejecting it, like Maraas. 

Speaking of which, how awesome would Maraas be as a LI. A girl can dream :innocent:

That is what I meant, a forbidden relationship with an ex-qunnari, but since David Gaider find Kossith to be a fetish, I wouldn't want to scare him off by showing him that we actually like the story relationship that based around the culture rather than lusting after the kossith for the physical characteristic. I would be interested in romancing an ex-qunnari, kossith or not, preferrable kossith.

I kinda like the idea of Maraas as a LI, but he looks like every other Kossiths. Usually, the companions have certain features that distinct them from the regular enemies. Maybe they could give him some scars if he were to return as a companion. I would love to know more about the ex-qunnari. If not Maraas, I kinda want to see an ex-qunnari kossith mage. Maybe he could no longer want to be persecuted for who he is, so he runs away to find on the mage's side. A quannri LI would be so interesting. I would make such a romantic storyline. <3

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah Marass just touched me so much. He was so lost, but there was something about that that he liked. He liked having no creed or code. But he was not a monster, like the Tal-Vashoth were (in his eyes, they were). He was a guy who was embarking on a new path.

Maybe a horn gets chipped, or he's wearing interesting clothes, or scars, yeah. Or interesting eyes or something. They tweak companion looks all the time when they go from NPC to companion, or heck, just looked at Anders.

[Battlebloodmage]

motomotogirl wrote...

Yeah Marass just touched me so much. He was so lost, but there was something about that that he liked. He liked having no creed or code. But he was not a monster, like the Tal-Vashoth were (in his eyes, they were). He was a guy who was embarking on a new path.

Maybe a horn gets chipped, or he's wearing interesting clothes, or scars, yeah. Or interesting eyes or something. They tweak companion looks all the time when they go from NPC to companion, or heck, just looked at Anders.

I feel like there are so many possibility with a Kossith like Maraas. He could be an outcast among the outcast since he betrayed the qunn then he betrays the tal-vashoth. He probably wouldn't be welcome anywhere and may even be hunted down by some. I have always imagined a storyline with him in which he is searching for a place he could call home. If there is a romance or friendship activated, he realizes that home is with the PC inquisitor. Too corny?

[AlexWk31]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I just never found elves to be attractive, I guess plain human is enough for me. lol. That is why I romanced Anders during a lot of my playthrough. Plus, Fenris is just too much of a jerk for my taste, nothing against those who romanced him though. Cullen is a man of principle, he's much harsher to those who take a neutral stand than those who have a viewpoint. I happen to agree with them. Anyway, he doesn't always think mages as evil, he had a crush on Amell and he even defended some mages in Kirkwall if you side with the templars.

I ALWAYS found elves attractive, except in DA2. Every elf but Fenris and Merrill was just hideous. Fenris definitely has an edge to him but I saw it as a defense mechanism he used to distance himself from people who are getting too close. His crush happened before the Circle incident, didn't it? After that he definitely wasn't very fond of mages. I'm not saying Cullen is a zealot or anything, I think he's changed his views at least a little after Act 3. I am very much looking forward  to seeing what happens to him in Dragon Age 3. LI or not, I hope he has a big role.

[h0neanias]

motomotogirl wrote...

In small instances like this... it is okay. Because while it is okay for Kaiden to "take control" (and I'm not talking about sex, just being a more dominant lover) with a guy, I think it's better to not let him do that to a female PC. I don't think a game should ever promote a female PC being submissive to a male lover (even if that is a player's personal preference).

If it is wrong to show a woman being submissive to a man, it must be equally wrong to show a man being submissive to a woman. Besides, a narrative isn't a political statement. There are people who enjoy being dominant and there are people who enjoy being submissive, regardless of gender. Individuals, that's what characters need to be.

legbamel wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
I'm also okay with a 'strapping butch' mage.

Mmmmm, this!  Why are all mages scrawny or willowy?  Surely some of them are strapping young bucks!  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Well, I haven't seen any gym in the Ferelden Circle. Mage Hawke must have been a smith his entire life with those muscles. I'd prefer realism, no matter how much I enjoy the idea of a bodybuilder mage like Irenicus. If he's an apostate, good physique is possible, but Circle mages should be thin.

Modifié par h0neanias, 29 octobre 2012 - 02:15 .

[BENIIICHAT]

Even Circle don't have Gym. I'm sure some mage can find the way to boost his mucle. ^^

[Battlebloodmage]

Well, if regular people can have muscles then why can't mages. If not for health then for aesthetic reasons. Just because you can kill people with your thoughts don't mean you can't pull some muscles every now and then.