M/M romance thread.
#26
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 07:25
#27
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 07:44
#28
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 07:46
Blasphemy!AndreasShepard wrote...
I am not a fan of (...) long wavy Aragorn hair.
#29
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 07:57
Humans are fine, too. Just don't make elves automatically bottoms and humans tops, like you did with Zevran in DAO.
#30
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:07
Klidi wrote...
sleeps with anyone who shows him a bit of kindness.
Sounds like my kind of LI who is this person?
#31
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:22
I had a big problem with Anders shift to bisexuality (such robust part of his personality as orientation was just switched to make the game more wide open) or for Merrill (why a Dalish apprentice can have a ******-relationship? Dalish should value reproduction because the number of this elves is small, so the more the better, and ******-relationship just... oh well).
I had no problem with Zevran or Leliana. This heroes were believable with bisexuality. He was a Crow, found pleasure where it was possible, needed this in his assassinations. Leliana was a bard had to work with men and woman, had a strong relationship with her master (Marjo... can't remember the way to write her name). This is the direction I think we must support in romance options for the DA3.
#32
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:28
g99 wrote...
My preference for EVERY relationship is for it to be believable. I want any type of love interest to be backed by his/hers backstory as much as it's possible (That also involves a man/man relationship).
I had a big problem with Anders shift to bisexuality (such robust part of his personality as orientation was just switched to make the game more wide open) or for Merrill (why a Dalish apprentice can have a ******-relationship? Dalish should value reproduction because the number of this elves is small, so the more the better, and ******-relationship just... oh well).
I had no problem with Zevran or Leliana. This heroes were believable with bisexuality. He was a Crow, found pleasure where it was possible, needed this in his assassinations. Leliana was a bard had to work with men and woman, had a strong relationship with her master (Marjo... can't remember the way to write her name). This is the direction I think we must support in romance options for the DA3.
Anders' didn't "shift" to anything. He never specified his sexuality how was it a "robust" part of his personality?
Yeah, imagine that. She does mention that she shouldn't be boning Hawke as she should have elven children. But she decides that she loves Hawke enough to ignore that...
Sexuality is not occupation dependent.
#33
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:30
I see my ideal characters for male to male romance in book the Calling - Julien an Nicolas. Nic is bad ass guy, Julien is gallant noble from Orlais..
#34
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:31
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Klidi wrote...
sleeps with anyone who shows him a bit of kindness.
Sounds like my kind of LI who is this person?
Zevran and Fenris.
#35
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:43
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Anders' didn't "shift" to anything. He never specified his sexuality how was it a "robust" part of his personality?
"All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools."
Anders in Dragon Age: Awakening
When it comes to Merrill it's just how I see Dalish elves. You may see it differently.
Sexuality as a VERY important part of personality is subject to change during life, Leliana and Zev are prime examples on how life in DA can infuance a character. Like a raped woman feels a strong aversion to man. I'd like the romance options to be more funded in the personality and the world or story.
Modifié par g99, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:48 .
#36
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:50
See, this is what I don't want. Why does there have to be an explanation for it? People can't just be bisexual? The only reason Zevran and Leliana were is because they had to be? It...irks me...is the word I'll use, I guess...g99 wrote...
I had no problem with Zevran or Leliana. This heroes were believable with bisexuality. He was a Crow, found pleasure where it was possible, needed this in his assassinations. Leliana was a bard had to work with men and woman, had a strong relationship with her master (Marjo... can't remember the way to write her name). This is the direction I think we must support in romance options for the DA3.
That being said, I want Cullen as m/m! Don't even care how unlikely it is.
And I want someone who's sort of a cross between Alistair and Morrigan. Like, he's totally adorbs and makes me squee and d'aww with his epic romanticism, but isn't afraid to throw some major shade. Also he's a badass, cause we don't get enough of those. Oh, oh! He could be a kossith! The DA2 model, of course. A snarky, romantic kossith...make it happen BW!
#37
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:51
g99 wrote...
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Anders' didn't "shift" to anything. He never specified his sexuality how was it a "robust" part of his personality?
"All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools."
Anders in Dragon Age: Awakening
When it comes to Merrill it's just how I see Dalish elves. You may see it differently.
Sexuality as a VERY important part of personality is subject to change during life, Leliana and Zev are prime examples on how life in DA can infuance a character. Like a raped woman feels a strong aversion to man. I'd like the romance options to be more funded in the personality and the world or story.
Showing interest in a certain gender a handful of times means your sexuality is cemented 5ever? Damn....
#38
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:54
g99 wrote...
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
Anders' didn't "shift" to anything. He never specified his sexuality how was it a "robust" part of his personality?
"All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools."
Anders in Dragon Age: Awakening
When it comes to Merrill it's just how I see Dalish elves. You may see it differently.
So from one sentence you some how know what he identifies as...and that one sentence is a large part of his personality?
Lets see if that works.
"I like penis" *rose petals*
Oh god, i'm straight now, and I've suddenly gained more insight into my own personality. Instead of a boring, dry, bisexual shell of a woman I am now a fully developed character. Thank you, straightness. You've saved my life.
If you think that DA2 Anders is the way he is because he's not straight "anymore" I don't know what to say to yah.
She said that...during her romance...Merrill...said...that. If it's coming from her pixelated mouth how can you see it differently? Yes the Dalish believe that they should have elven children...that's not up for debate. But saying that Merrill's romance is not realistic because of that is. And i've already told you why it is.
Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:02 .
#39
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:02
Merrill was NOT a typical Dalish, was she? She had her own ideas, her own views about traditions, and refused to bow down even to the Keeper, even at the cost of being send away and hated by her clan. So why couldn't have her own views on sexuality?
Yes, Zevran's sexuality was changed because of his past. He says it clearly, that he prefers soft curves of women. But the Crows prefer to buy beautiful elves (meaning Crows are technically slaves) and teach them to be 'open minded' about sex. Zevran's bi is a result of a long-term sexual abuse, his behaviour is in fact quite typical for victims of such abuse.
I, for one, would like to have a normal relationship, with a normal person who was not forced to accept different orientation/preferrence, whether in order to increase population, or to get closer to person that needs to be killed.
#40
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:05
I legitimately lol'd. Out loud.Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
"I like penis" *rose petals*
Oh god, i'm straight now, and I've suddenly gained more insight into my own personality. Instead of a boring dry shell of a woman I am now a fully developed character. Thank you straightness. You've saved my life.
#41
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:08
#42
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:18
Klidi wrote...
You contradict yourself. If sexuality is subject to change during life, then why Merrill and Anders can't change?
Merrill was NOT a typical Dalish, was she? She had her own ideas, her own views about traditions, and refused to bow down even to the Keeper, even at the cost of being send away and hated by her clan. So why couldn't have her own views on sexuality?
Yes, Zevran's sexuality was changed because of his past. He says it clearly, that he prefers soft curves of women. But the Crows prefer to buy beautiful elves (meaning Crows are technically slaves) and teach them to be 'open minded' about sex. Zevran's bi is a result of a long-term sexual abuse, his behaviour is in fact quite typical for victims of such abuse.
I, for one, would like to have a normal relationship, with a normal person who was not forced to accept different orientation/preferrence, whether in order to increase population, or to get closer to person that needs to be killed.
Zevran's sexuality did not change. OMG I prefer dudes (facial structure mostly) That does not make me straight!
Openminded like, having sex with the people that have murdered and oppressed your species for centuries, or people that don't respect your autonomy, or people with fetishes that you don't have.
So straight people are straight because of sexual abuse from the opposite sex.
Sexuality does not work like that, stawp.
#43
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:40
cullen as a romance all the way, or a shepard looking kind of guy, a cold mercenary not a bloody killer but more a "me first kind of guy)
#44
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:43
I'm sorry, but what you say contradicts to what Zevran says. He says he preferes women. He also says he doesn't mind sex with guys now because he was trained to be open minded.
Sexuality doesn't work like that, under NORMAL circumstances. Sexuality can't be changed, but it can be influenced - damaged - by things like abuse, rape, or supression (e.g. because of social responsibility to bear children). Crows and Tevinter magisters - just like RL abusers - don't ask their victims for preferrences. Long-term abuse can and does make victims confused about their sexuality. And very often, they are promiscuite, flirting and having casual sex with almost anyone, but have a problem with self-respect, showing emotions and building a relationship.
As much as I love Zev, this time I would really prefer a LI who is not a victim, who is confident in his/her sexuality and who is able of a healthy realtionship. All other things are secondary for me.
Modifié par Klidi, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:44 .
#45
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 09:56
NO IT CAN'T. If you're bisexual you're always bisexual, ALWAYS even if you bone just the opposite sex.
What in the world. Zevran has no problem mentioning that fact that he's been with the same and opposite sexes. He tells you outright that he thinks you're a sexy ass b**** if you're a man.How is that not confident to you? He's only reluctant to because he's afraid you'll kill him.
Being promiscuous is not being confused about your sexuality as that never changes it's a coping mechanism...If there wasn't such a stigma on non-straight sexualities. A lot of problems people have would not be happening. You know what my grandmother said when I asked her what she would do if I told her I was a lesbian? She said she'd disown me because if I wasn't straight I was of the devil and unnatural.
For years, I absolutely hated myself. And I only dated men, had sex with men, that's it. But I was never straight because the opposite sex was all I ever dated. What you do on the outside does not reflect you on the inside, son.
dklajfda;fjds;ldalfj;k this is bringing up stupid memories. Where's my sexy blonde haired elf...
#46
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 10:15
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
So from one sentence you some how know what he identifies as...and that one sentence is a large part of his personality?
I'm not going to argue while you keep this kind of stupid arguments on the line.
I gave you one, ONE! of the lines I saw much more meaningful than a series of offensive talks. Well it seams I have to do it anyway... here goes: Anders at the very meeting in Vigils Keep shows his interest in female characters, later sticks to females in banters, in his jokes in everything! NOT once he shows in Awakening interest in man ergo it's obvious he is heterosexual... If you don't see this, it's not my problem you are blindfold with own illusion. In DA2 he and Isabella are only character who are returning from DA:O or DA:A. She is fine she was bi, he was not, and for only reason of making all romance options Bi he was done too. That's the solo justification for him falling for maleHawk. In my opinion it's not supported in his personality, his story, his motivations, his ethics, his values, his world view... Such character is BORING and not convincing.
P.S. I will not answer any other post by you. It's just a waist of time.
#47
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 10:34
I'd probably give it a shot in DA3 if the LI was in some way, not a complete psyche case.
Y'know, not "Blaaargh all Templars!" - "Blaaaaarge all Mages!"
The ability to be reasonable is pretty nice.
#48
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 11:47
Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
I say I prefer men, that obviously means I'm straight and those women that i've dated weren't serious, I was "influenced" because i've never had a very good relationship with my female relatives.
NO IT CAN'T. If you're bisexual you're always bisexual, ALWAYS even if you bone just the opposite sex.
What in the world. Zevran has no problem mentioning that fact that he's been with the same and opposite sexes. He tells you outright that he thinks you're a sexy ass b**** if you're a man.How is that not confident to you? He's only reluctant to because he's afraid you'll kill him.
Being promiscuous is not being confused about your sexuality as that never changes it's a coping mechanism...If there wasn't such a stigma on non-straight sexualities. A lot of problems people have would not be happening. You know what my grandmother said when I asked her what she would do if I told her I was a lesbian? She said she'd disown me because if I wasn't straight I was of the devil and unnatural.
For years, I absolutely hated myself. And I only dated men, had sex with men, that's it. But I was never straight because the opposite sex was all I ever dated. What you do on the outside does not reflect you on the inside, son.
dklajfda;fjds;ldalfj;k this is bringing up stupid memories. Where's my sexy blonde haired elf...
Did you even read my post? WHERE do I say that promiscuity is being confused about sexuality? Sexual abuse is NOT the same as 'not having very good relationship', or as feeling you 'have to' date opposite sex, because that what society demands from you.
I'm doing reasearch about impact of sexual abuse of children and young adults on their sexuality for two years now. Especially boys who were forced and 'groomed' into gay sex - often long before they become aware of their sexuality. When I started, I was very surprised how much things the survivors said were similar to what Zev was saying. It increased my respect for Mr Gaider a lot, because he obiously did the research before writing Zev. You don't have to believe me, of course. Go and do the research yourself.
@Zkyrie - THIS. That's all I want - a homosexual LI who is NOT a psycho or a victim, for a change.
#49
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 12:44
He can assume direct control of my Bloodmage anytime! *squee*
#50
Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 12:47
Come on, who wouldn't want a kossith for an LI. Those muscles. I can't be the only one who loves huge muscles. Also, think of the awesome backstory for the character. Seriously, kossith for LI, everyone!
That said I'm also all for Cullen. Kinda hope they make him at least bi, so everyone can enjoy his awesomeness. Kinda hope they make all the LI's bi.





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