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[AsheraII]

Kickiluxxx wrote...

Just give me the option to toggle it.

This. I think waking up next to an LI after a VERY CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY SUGGESTED activity on the night before, that it is VERY ODD if you see them step out of the bed with their underwear on.
It doesn't have to be full frontal nudity, and I'm not looking for any lip reading, that's just a matter of taking the shot from a different angle. Make it a side shot ot back shot or something.

It's something that has been nagging me quite a bit for the past few Bioware games. They seem to be slowly but steadily moving towards a T-rating rather than an M-rating. Sorry, but there's plenty of T-rated games out there. Bioware was one of the few developers who managed to make M-rated games in an intelligent manner. Adding some bloodsplatters doesn't make it M-rated in an intelligent manner to me, it's just adding some gore to achieve M-rating. Nothing to keep the mind in motion. Not to mention that it generally looks so ugly anyway, that I simply turn gore options OFF anyway, or hardly even bother playing a game if I can't. No, I don't really care for zombie games either. They're stoopid, unrealistic, and childish.

[daaaav]

Folks...

Deep characterisation must at some level embrace sexuality. Completely fine with nudity if it adds depth to the characters and their relationships. There is nothing wrong with evocative imagery and nudity is certainly evocative.

I should add that it is easy to overstep...

Take the Witcher 2. I have no problem at all with nudity and sex scenes but I do not need a scene to go through a whole roster of "positions". The scene with Triss and Geralt in the bath was beautiful until...well you know...

And I agree with avoiding sanitisation at all costs. Morrigans bikini top is ridiculous.

Modifié par daaaav, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

As an art student who is used to female and male nude models, I say yes and not in a comedic cheesy way.

Hell, it'll be in Orlais might as well use it under the guise that the PC is interrupting an art class' drawing session with a male nude model in Rodin's The Thinker pose or (For the life of me I always think its Da vinci, when I know its Michelangelo) David.

[Dapper Pomegranate]

daaaav wrote...
Deep characterisation must at some level embrace sexuality. Completely fine with nudity if it adds depth to the characters and their relationships.

First let me just say I don't care very much what they do either way. Personally, I find nudity pointless beyond the obvious aspect of titillation (and is that really a necessary feature?) but I wouldn't begrudge them for adding it so long as it's tasteful. As for the quote, how does nudity add depth to characters? Or relationships for that matter? The characters are getting nekkid anyway, that much is obvious; do we really need to see it to validate their relationship or something?

[jkflipflopDAO]

 There should be an option when you first start the game if you want pr0n or not. Like with MW3 and the airport scene. Then you can select if you want the kiddie watered down love scenes for prudes or you can have the real stuff (OMFG A NIPPLE?!?!) for the adults. 

[Dr. wonderful]

Partial Nudity is a good compromise, does anyone think this?

[CitizenThom]

I think silhouettes, a fogged/fogging lense, backlighting are viable alternatives to precede the fade to black.

[LinksOcarina]

daaaav wrote...

Folks...

Deep characterisation must at some level embrace sexuality. Completely fine with nudity if it adds depth to the characters and their relationships. There is nothing wrong with evocative imagery and nudity is certainly evocative.

I should add that it is easy to overstep...

Take the Witcher 2. I have no problem at all with nudity and sex scenes but I do not need a scene to go through a whole roster of "positions". The scene with Triss and Geralt in the bath was beautiful until...well you know...

And I agree with avoiding sanitisation at all costs. Morrigans bikini top is ridiculous.

you are right, sexuality is needed, not sex. Nudity can be fine if it is done right, Mass Effect proved that already. What we see in Dragon Age that is often overlooked is the fact that the romance scenes are somewhat intimate or affectonate with each other. 

The romance with Merrill in Dragon Age II I feel is the best example, it showed good intimacy between two lovers, and we need more of that over the pandering. At the very least, equal amounts. 

[daaaav]

FrozenFire42 wrote...

daaaav wrote...
Deep characterisation must at some level embrace sexuality. Completely fine with nudity if it adds depth to the characters and their relationships.

First let me just say I don't care very much what they do either way. Personally, I find nudity pointless beyond the obvious aspect of titillation (and is that really a necessary feature?) but I wouldn't begrudge them for adding it so long as it's tasteful. As for the quote, how does nudity add depth to characters? Or relationships for that matter? The characters are getting nekkid anyway, that much is obvious; do we really need to see it to validate their relationship or something?

Yeah sorry, I edited my post...

Take the Witcher 2 scene I mentioned. I liked the first half of the scene because it was playful and sexual without being gratuitous. As "Geralt" I want to see what he sees and feel what he feels about Triss. The second half of that scene was not so good but it wasn't because they were naked.

I don't find nudity pointless. Dragon Age 3 is set in Orlais where brothels courtesans and assassins are part of their culture. It would feel strange and inauthentic if there wasn't any nudity and sexuality. But, if there are brothels and courtesans then they should be an integral part of the setting and story and not just there for tittilation.

Modifié par daaaav, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Weak Sauce Hype]

I wanna see Frostbite 2's jiggle action

[mordy_was_here]

I have no problem with full or partial nudity. Pixel breasts are not the end of the world. Like those that said it before me, I don't need to go through the motions of a sex scene, but a little skin wouldn't hurt in the slightest.

Modifié par Mel213, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[contextual_entity]

Greylycantrope wrote...

su66otnik wrote...

There won't be any. BioWare are afraid or pissing people off, unlike CD Projekt Red, who shows what should be shown.

ME1 had partial nudity, they could do that again. The scenes in the Witcher 2 were down right comical at times.

With the (possible) exception of ME1, I found the Witcher 2's sex scene less (though not all together un)comical than any bioware half/fully dressed sex. It's one or the other, either side step the issue and make PG romances or go the whole way. Anything in between is just silly and immersion breaking.

Even better add a button in the options with "disable sex scenes" next to the "filter gore button". Suddenly a game that you can play as R or PG as you like.

[brushyourteeth]

FearedZero wrote...

I wanna see Frostbite 2's jiggle action

Oh, you! 

[MACSALOMON]

I,d like more realistic love scenes. So nudity is necesary for that.
I especially like the scenes were longer and involved because in DA2 and ME2 and 3 were too short for me.
I have also so curiosity to see a naked Qunari (PLEASE, BIOWARE.... PLEASE)

[PARAGON87]

If the Witcher 2 pulled it off without getting an AO rating, then I'm all for it in DA3. 

Modifié par PARAGON87, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:21 .

[Merzavets]

biowazzers

[Maverick827]

PARAGON87 wrote...

If the Witcher 2 pulled it off without getting an AO rating, then I'm all for it in DA3. 

But the Witcher 2 didn't pull it off without appearing like a childish wish-fulfillment of adolescent boys.

[daaaav]

Maverick827 wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

If the Witcher 2 pulled it off without getting an AO rating, then I'm all for it in DA3. 

But the Witcher 2 didn't pull it off without appearing like a childish wish-fulfillment of adolescent boys.

Somewhat agree.

Don't mind the nudity, but the "extended" scenes where a little ridiculous. Bioware need to find a good compromise and embrace authenticity, not sanitisation.

[Lord_Valandil]

Maverick827 wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

If the Witcher 2 pulled it off without getting an AO rating, then I'm all for it in DA3. 

But the Witcher 2 didn't pull it off without appearing like a childish wish-fulfillment of adolescent boys.

Meh. I don't really get why it was 'childish', since when can sex or nudity look 'childish'? It's not like they shoved the boobs in your screen. At least it didn't look as pathetic as DA:O romance scenes (as much as I love Origins), not to mention the awful scenes of DA2. I liked the love scene of Geralt and Triss. 

Anyway, back on topic and considering all the drama llama with the subtle scenes of Mass Effect, I doubt there'll be any nudity.
Please, think of the children, soccer moms and the good ol' folks at Fox News.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:51 .

[EricHVela]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Partial Nudity is a good compromise, does anyone think this?

Yes. I and several others suggested such, but not such that underclothed bits were a substitute for all-out nudity.

Creative camera angles that imply nudity without actually showing ridiculous polygonal pixel nudity so our brains can come up with something more realistic on our own if we're so inclined.

I sometimes think it's because kids today have no actual basis to compare the real thing and don't realize how dumb it looks in games. I mean, have you seen the nudity mods? Who thinks that's anywhere close to the real thing? People who don't know. That's who.

As for the "must appease the sensitive folks": If you think Fox News has that kind of power to censor video games, you're delusional. One commentary show mentioned it in one episode and the Internet exploded as if they made an entire 3-month focus on it. BWE could care less what Fox News commentators think. If you don't know this by know, then you're just slinging ignorant mud for the sake of being popular with your Fox-hating friends.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[daaaav]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Partial Nudity is a good compromise, does anyone think this?

Yes. I and several others suggested such, but not such that underclothed bits were a substitute for all-out nudity.

Creative camera angles that imply nudity without actually showing ridiculous polygonal pixel nudity so our brains can come up with something more realistic on our own if we're so inclined.

I sometimes think it's because kids today have no actual basis to compare the real thing and don't realize how dumb it looks in games. I mean, have you seen the nudity mods? Who thinks that's anywhere close to the real thing? People who don't know. That's who.

I'd rather creative camera angles than ridiculous magic underwear.

[AsheraII]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Partial Nudity is a good compromise, does anyone think this?

Yes. I and several others suggested such, but not such that underclothed bits were a substitute for all-out nudity.

Creative camera angles that imply nudity without actually showing ridiculous polygonal pixel nudity so our brains can come up with something more realistic on our own if we're so inclined.

I sometimes think it's because kids today have no actual basis to compare the real thing and don't realize how dumb it looks in games. I mean, have you seen the nudity mods? Who thinks that's anywhere close to the real thing? People who don't know. That's who.

The sad thing is, on some scenes the nudity mods are more logically acceptable than a bra.. Just badly implemented.

[rapscallioness]

LolaLei wrote...

Perhaps implied nudity. For example, during a sex scene the use of strategic/artistic camera angles could make it seem like they're naked, without us seeing any ****** 'n' arse in the process. I guess something akin to the ME1 or the ME3 scenes with Kaidan/Cortez/Traynor/Liara/Ashley, minus the underwear. Or if all else fails, use the old silhouette against the fire/sunset trick lol.

... And no I don't mean strategic camera angles like the ones in the nude scene from Austin Powers!

This. Exactly. I don't see what the issue is. Camera angles and some well placed shadows. Give it a feeling of authenticity without delving into the naughty bits (tee hee).

uh, but yeah. It's like they go outta their way to make sure they're clothed. As fully as possible. It's bewildering.

Although, for me the best one was ME3 with FemShep and Kaidan. I think that was better than ME1. They did a great job with that scene. There was underwear, yes. But it was during the implied foreplay time...fade out..(weird dream, but we're not gonna get into that), wakes up and Kaidan is there. Yes. In bed asleep. They have some end of the world pillow talk. Then it's back off to busting Reapers in the chops.

It worked for me.

None of that ME1, Kaidan wakes up and Shep is standing there fully clothed just staring him. Lol. I jumped when I saw her doing that.

Honestly, though, the absolute most important thing for me is the Kiss. Urgent kisses. Slow sweet kisses. Unexpected kisses. That is the absolute most important thing to me for them to get right in the...physical romance area..stuff..

I think it's very romantic and emotional. Especially that first kiss because that's when everything changes.

yeah......

[Teddie Sage]

[critique mode activated]

Nudity isn't necessary, but I don't want to witness those awful bed scenes with Merrill ever again... Just take the time to put more details and cover those characters with sheets next time you want to do a cuddling scene like that. Showing some skin isn't so bad, as long as it's not tasteless.

[/critique mode deactivated]

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[iloveexplosives]

i think that sometimes not having it is worse depending how the scene is made sleeping with your LI and the seeing them dressed like 5 sec later is stupid and a little off putting...