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[Ridwan]

Ravensword wrote...

In Exile wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
DA thread:

"Hey guys, should there be nudity?"

"BBBLBLBLLLLLAAAAARGHGHGHHHHH!! RAGGGEEEE! NIPPLES? GOD NOOO!!!!!"

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You're right. Bioware should just fill the game with long, hard ****s. Too many games are taking the easy way out by just showing boobs. 

BW got called out by the hack journalists at Faux Noise for showing blue boobs. I think they're still shell shocked from that experience, lol.

I doubt that, it was basically free advertisement.

[ScarMK]

M25105 wrote...


I doubt that, it was basically free advertisement.

Pretty much.  Bioware doesn't do nudity because they don't WANT to.

[Ridwan]

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

[Urazz]

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Wasn't Saskia gay as well?  It's been awhile since I've played Witcher 2.

So what are you complaining about?  That Geralt can't be gay?  Because the games are based off the books and Geralt was never gay or even bisexual if I recall.  You don't get that kind of customization in the Witcher games like you would in Bioware RPGs.

Or are you thinking the fact that Delhmold was a ******, means that CS Projekt is against gay people?  That means nothing because gay people can be jerks just as much as other people.

[Ridwan]

Urazz wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Wasn't Saskia gay as well?  It's been awhile since I've played Witcher 2.

So what are you complaining about?  That Geralt can't be gay?  Because the games are based off the books and Geralt was never gay or even bisexual if I recall.  You don't get that kind of customization in the Witcher games like you would in Bioware RPGs.

Or are you thinking the fact that Delhmold was a ******, means that CS Projekt is against gay people?  That means nothing because gay people can be jerks just as much as other people.

Personally I don't really care whether or not a game includes homosexual characters, but it's funny how the Witcher 2 seems to get a pass from the rainbow brigade on BSN.

The Witcher 2, from my recollection had a two or three lesbian characters and one gay guy in Dethmold. Meaning the only representative of gays was a real ****** that tried to kill you. Yet that never gets mentioned, instead everyone hops on the Witcher 2 train cause of the ****** you get to see in the game. Hence my question.

[Urazz]

M25105 wrote...

Urazz wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Wasn't Saskia gay as well?  It's been awhile since I've played Witcher 2.

So what are you complaining about?  That Geralt can't be gay?  Because the games are based off the books and Geralt was never gay or even bisexual if I recall.  You don't get that kind of customization in the Witcher games like you would in Bioware RPGs.

Or are you thinking the fact that Delhmold was a ******, means that CS Projekt is against gay people?  That means nothing because gay people can be jerks just as much as other people.

Personally I don't really care whether or not a game includes homosexual characters, but it's funny how the Witcher 2 seems to get a pass from the rainbow brigade on BSN.

The Witcher 2, from my recollection had a two or three lesbian characters and one gay guy in Dethmold. Meaning the only representative of gays was a real ****** that tried to kill you. Yet that never gets mentioned, instead everyone hops on the Witcher 2 train cause of the ****** you get to see in the game. Hence my question.

So you don't count the gay women in the game as representatives of homosexuals?  Who cares if the only gay guy in the game was a ****** that tried to kill you.

What rule says that if you have only one gay man in a game that he has to be good in order to be a representative of gay people?  You act like it's some big thing when it's not.  Maybe if they had only 1 gay man in each Witcher game and he was a bad guy in each game then you'd be onto something about a bias against gay men but otherwise it's nothing to complain about.

[Ridwan]

Urazz wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Urazz wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Wasn't Saskia gay as well?  It's been awhile since I've played Witcher 2.

So what are you complaining about?  That Geralt can't be gay?  Because the games are based off the books and Geralt was never gay or even bisexual if I recall.  You don't get that kind of customization in the Witcher games like you would in Bioware RPGs.

Or are you thinking the fact that Delhmold was a ******, means that CS Projekt is against gay people?  That means nothing because gay people can be jerks just as much as other people.

Personally I don't really care whether or not a game includes homosexual characters, but it's funny how the Witcher 2 seems to get a pass from the rainbow brigade on BSN.

The Witcher 2, from my recollection had a two or three lesbian characters and one gay guy in Dethmold. Meaning the only representative of gays was a real ****** that tried to kill you. Yet that never gets mentioned, instead everyone hops on the Witcher 2 train cause of the ****** you get to see in the game. Hence my question.

So you don't count the gay women in the game as representatives of homosexuals?  Who cares if the only gay guy in the game was a ****** that tried to kill you.

What rule says that if you have only one gay man in a game that he has to be good in order to be a representative of gay people?  You act like it's some big thing when it's not.  Maybe if they had only 1 gay man in each Witcher game and he was a bad guy in each game then you'd be onto something about a bias against gay men but otherwise it's nothing to complain about.

http://tvtropes.org/...ravedHomosexual

Edit: Again, I don't really give a rats ass about whether or not gays are in game. I'm just asking why all the people on BSN who loudly proclaim that they want nude scenes and constantly refer to Witcher showing ******, when the Witcher 2 isn't exactly doing a good job working against the trope that all gays are evil.

Modifié par M25105, 30 mai 2013 - 07:39 .

[Ridwan]

simfamSP wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Urazz wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Wasn't Saskia gay as well?  It's been awhile since I've played Witcher 2.

So what are you complaining about?  That Geralt can't be gay?  Because the games are based off the books and Geralt was never gay or even bisexual if I recall.  You don't get that kind of customization in the Witcher games like you would in Bioware RPGs.

Or are you thinking the fact that Delhmold was a ******, means that CS Projekt is against gay people?  That means nothing because gay people can be jerks just as much as other people.

Personally I don't really care whether or not a game includes homosexual characters, but it's funny how the Witcher 2 seems to get a pass from the rainbow brigade on BSN.

The Witcher 2, from my recollection had a two or three lesbian characters and one gay guy in Dethmold. Meaning the only representative of gays was a real ****** that tried to kill you. Yet that never gets mentioned, instead everyone hops on the Witcher 2 train cause of the ****** you get to see in the game. Hence my question.

You're reading waaaaaay to much into it. Homosexuality for the sake of homosexuality is just pointless. "Hey let's stick a gay dude in there so we look liberal!" Dethmold is gay because he is, there's no need for more or less, just like nudity. Nudity is nudity, nothing more, nothing less. It isn't going to "pervert our youth" or "represent video games as a vice."

If the Rainbow Brigade or Pink Elephant party or whatever-you-want-to-call-them have nothing against the Witcher 2 then fine. I've seen the same thing happen with other topics. CDPR are praised for almost everything they do, whether they kick a donkey or drown a cat, whilst BioWare...well BioWare is the child of the stereotypical Asian father, who must "always do better."

Funny thing is I think both the Witcher 2 and Dragon Age: Origins are the best modern rpgs I've played in many years, due to the story, gameplay, size, sound and overall immersion. Hell the Witcher 2 could've done underwear sex too for all I care and it would still be an amazing game. Showing a pair of ****** doesn't make a game great, nor is nudity the same maturity. In fact I found the sex scenes in the Witcher 2 to be a bit cringeworthy at best.

[daaaav]

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Bioware gets an unreasonable amount of flak for how they treat gender and sexuality issues simply because they are one of the first developers to directly address them. The same people who decry Biowares treatment of women and homosexuals (eg. Femshep romances etc etc) as far as I know, would not apply the same standards to a game like Batman... That is hypocritical. 

I would like to think that Dethmold is gay simply because that is what he is. He is not gay such that a box can be ticked for the sake of inclusivness and he is not evil because he is gay. 

The whole point of this argument is that sex and sexuality should not immediatley and exclusively be conflated with depravity and gratuitous objectification  - which you have done so nicely...

[terdferguson123]

Who cares? I think it's pretty ridiculous that this topic is constantly being brought up on this forum. Nudity is about dead last on the things I care about that may or may not be in DA:I.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Nudity or not, it's not going to make me like the game more or less. I don't care.

It seems like a big deal to most people though.

[Ravensword]

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

I got a question for all you Witcher 2 lovers. I completed the game and it was awesome and all that, but unlike Bioware games there was hardly any gay stuff going on. The one gay guy was Dethmold and he was a real ******. But I don't see any one of you bashing them for it, but instead praise them for brave enough for showing ****** in the game. Aren't you guys being a bit hypocritical?

Bioware gets an unreasonable amount of flak for how they treat gender and sexuality issues simply because they are one of the first developers to directly address them. The same people who decry Biowares treatment of women and homosexuals (eg. Femshep romances etc etc) as far as I know, would not apply the same standards to a game like Batman... That is hypocritical. 

I would like to think that Dethmold is gay simply because that is what he is. He is not gay such that a box can be ticked for the sake of inclusivness and he is not evil because he is gay. 

The whole point of this argument is that sex and sexuality should not immediatley and exclusively be conflated with depravity and gratuitous objectification  - which you have done so nicely...

The fact that a character is gay should not have to do w/ whether that character is evil or not. No one whines about why an evil character is of a particular ethnicity, so why should anyone car whether a villain is gay or not? I think many people didn't really care and gay fans of TW2 (surely there are some) were probably happy to see a gay character that doesn't embody any sort of the usual gay stereotypes.

Modifié par Ravensword, 31 mai 2013 - 01:26 .

[Ridwan]

Jewlie Ghoulie wrote...

Nudity or not, it's not going to make me like the game more or less. I don't care.

It seems like a big deal to most people though.

Trust me, it's really a minority that cares about nudity. Even polls conducted on the BSN forums shows that over half don't care about seeing them ****** in the game. It's silly argument that nudity is part of maturity in a video game.

[GodWood]

M25105 wrote...
Trust me, it's really a minority that cares about nudity. Even polls conducted on the BSN forums shows that over half don't care about seeing them ****** in the game.

Not caring =/= not wanting. Nor does them not caring mean nudity should not be used if it is contextually appropriate.

In a sex scene nudity is appropriate. In return to Ostagar when we see Cailan's corpse nudity is appropriate. In Fort Drakon (?) where there's piles of stripped dead bodies nudity is appropriate.

[slimgrin]

GodWood wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Trust me, it's really a minority that cares about nudity. Even polls conducted on the BSN forums shows that over half don't care about seeing them ****** in the game.

Not caring =/= not wanting. Nor does them not caring mean nudity should not be used if it is contextually appropriate.

In a sex scene nudity is appropriate. In return to Ostagar when we see Cailan's corpse nudity is appropriate. In Fort Drakon (?) where there's piles of stripped dead bodies nudity is appropriate.

I think this guy gets it. I'm positive he gets it. 

[GodWood]

I really wish they'd drop the Joss Whedon style writing (or at least limit it). I hate Joss Whedon.

Modifié par GodWood, 31 mai 2013 - 08:21 .

[CaptainBlackGold]

GodWood wrote...

I really wish they'd drop the Joss Whedon style writing (or at least limit it). I hate Joss Whedon.

Blasphemer!

Oh and on topic, explicit nudity will keep certain retailers from stocking the game - so it is not so much an "artistic" design decision but a business one.

If Bioware would just make the game mod friendly, then at least the PC crowd could mod in whatever they wanted.

[The Heretic of Time]

My stance on nudity in games.


However, if BioWare decides to add nudity to their games, they better do it right, like The Witcher 2 or Heavy Rain (though the sex scene in Heavy Rain was laughable and hilariously awkward, the sex scene with Triss in The Witcher 2 was well done though).

[Blazingkats]

Jewlie Ghoulie wrote...

Nudity or not, it's not going to make me like the game more or less. I don't care.

It seems like a big deal to most people though.

This.What's important is the story.