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[Chewin]

simfamSP wrote...

To be honest, mention anything BioWare there and you have a ****storm with 70% of them. But as long as you keep it in Obsidian/CDPR and some other devs, the topics are actually quite enjoyable.

Hah, there's always an exception to everything!

[Riv2.0]

Nothing wrong with seeing some boobies. Metro Last Light did it fine. But it's better not to do it because there's more of a chance of messing it up than it turning out "fine." No underwear sex would be nice. The whole sex in underwear thing is weird, imo. Fade to black, sure but not suddenly out of nowhere. Don't have a sex scene if you can't direct it without it looking cliché and dull.

[budzai]

I think ME1 stlye was the best....

[kinderschlager]

budzai wrote...

I think ME1 stlye was the best....

going to have to look that up on youtube, people keep referencing it.

edit: lol, yup, that was an actually good cutscene. the convo leading up to it however? that felt staged

Modifié par kinderschlager, 31 mai 2013 - 03:50 .

[Ridwan]

simfamSP wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Jewlie Ghoulie wrote...

Nudity or not, it's not going to make me like the game more or less. I don't care.

It seems like a big deal to most people though.

Trust me, it's really a minority that cares about nudity. Even polls conducted on the BSN forums shows that over half don't care about seeing them ****** in the game. It's silly argument that nudity is part of maturity in a video game.

I think people confuse maturity with setting. If you have a game like The Witcher set in a world which is basically Medieval Europe with Elves, Magic and Dwarves, you expect to see ****s, naked homless men, poor people who can't afford clothes etc... it doesn't have to be sexualised, it can be rather depressing and gritty.

I've been to third-world countires where I've literally seen men so poor the only thing they had wrapped around them was some worn out blanket they probably found in a bin. I won't find it hard imagining the same for a a Medieval Society.

Though Dragon Age is somewhat lighter than the Witcher, I find that its art-style hinders it in that respect. DA cities can look alot worse and worn down if only the engine supported it. With the Frostbite 3 engine, hopefully enviroments will fit the setting. So far it was like trying to recreate the movie "Black Death" with the Kingdom Hearts engine.

Why on earth would the darkspawn remove his underwear? Taking the armour, yeah makes sense cause it's good and maybe even be seen as a trophy. Taking off a probably **** stained piece of cloth? Why? You say it doesn't make sense that it's on, I say it doesn't make sense why they should remove it.

Games aren't real life, this whole realism, that everything needs to super gritty and depressing doesn't fly when we can shoot fireballs out of our hands. Showing ******, because in some deluded way of thinking that¨it's more mature, doesn't make it so.

[Naitaka]

M25105 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Jewlie Ghoulie wrote...

Nudity or not, it's not going to make me like the game more or less. I don't care.

It seems like a big deal to most people though.

Trust me, it's really a minority that cares about nudity. Even polls conducted on the BSN forums shows that over half don't care about seeing them ****** in the game. It's silly argument that nudity is part of maturity in a video game.

I think people confuse maturity with setting. If you have a game like The Witcher set in a world which is basically Medieval Europe with Elves, Magic and Dwarves, you expect to see ****s, naked homless men, poor people who can't afford clothes etc... it doesn't have to be sexualised, it can be rather depressing and gritty.

I've been to third-world countires where I've literally seen men so poor the only thing they had wrapped around them was some worn out blanket they probably found in a bin. I won't find it hard imagining the same for a a Medieval Society.

Though Dragon Age is somewhat lighter than the Witcher, I find that its art-style hinders it in that respect. DA cities can look alot worse and worn down if only the engine supported it. With the Frostbite 3 engine, hopefully enviroments will fit the setting. So far it was like trying to recreate the movie "Black Death" with the Kingdom Hearts engine.

Why on earth would the darkspawn remove his underwear? Taking the armour, yeah makes sense cause it's good and maybe even be seen as a trophy. Taking off a probably **** stained piece of cloth? Why? You say it doesn't make sense that it's on, I say it doesn't make sense why they should remove it.

Games aren't real life, this whole realism, that everything needs to super gritty and depressing doesn't fly when we can shoot fireballs out of our hands. Showing ******, because in some deluded way of thinking that¨it's more mature, doesn't make it so.

I think you're confusing internal consistency with realism. Also, I don't think it has as much to do with "maturity" as it has to do with attention to detail and immersion. As for nudity, as long as it's not shown expressly for the purpose of fan service and has a good reason to be there, I don't see why it shouldn't be included.

[Ridwan]

I just realised how stupid I've been. As long as there's a warning in the game that it contains nudity, and that you can skip it (Like you could with Witcher 2) there shouldn't be a problem. Which makes only able to nitpick one thing, sex scenes shouldn't affect the overall game. Meaning if something is broke in the game it should be priotised to be fixed, like the zombie hands instead of focusing on a love scene.

[Renmiri1]

Oi those zombie hands were truly immersion breaking!

[GodWood]

M25105 wrote...
Why on earth would the darkspawn remove his underwear? Taking the armour, yeah makes sense cause it's good and maybe even be seen as a trophy. Taking off a probably **** stained piece of cloth? Why? You say it doesn't make sense that it's on, I say it doesn't make sense why they should remove it.

Humiliation and psychological warfare.

Seeing your once grand, larger than life king stripped down bare and left hanging as nothing but a bloody corpse is an effective psychological weapon.

[Sith Grey Warden]

M25105 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Jewlie Ghoulie wrote...

Nudity or not, it's not going to make me like the game more or less. I don't care.

It seems like a big deal to most people though.

Trust me, it's really a minority that cares about nudity. Even polls conducted on the BSN forums shows that over half don't care about seeing them ****** in the game. It's silly argument that nudity is part of maturity in a video game.

I think people confuse maturity with setting. If you have a game like The Witcher set in a world which is basically Medieval Europe with Elves, Magic and Dwarves, you expect to see ****s, naked homless men, poor people who can't afford clothes etc... it doesn't have to be sexualised, it can be rather depressing and gritty.

I've been to third-world countires where I've literally seen men so poor the only thing they had wrapped around them was some worn out blanket they probably found in a bin. I won't find it hard imagining the same for a a Medieval Society.

Though Dragon Age is somewhat lighter than the Witcher, I find that its art-style hinders it in that respect. DA cities can look alot worse and worn down if only the engine supported it. With the Frostbite 3 engine, hopefully enviroments will fit the setting. So far it was like trying to recreate the movie "Black Death" with the Kingdom Hearts engine.

Why on earth would the darkspawn remove his underwear? Taking the armour, yeah makes sense cause it's good and maybe even be seen as a trophy. Taking off a probably **** stained piece of cloth? Why? You say it doesn't make sense that it's on, I say it doesn't make sense why they should remove it.

Games aren't real life, this whole realism, that everything needs to super gritty and depressing doesn't fly when we can shoot fireballs out of our hands. Showing ******, because in some deluded way of thinking that¨it's more mature, doesn't make it so.

For the same reason they took off his undershirt, or his trousers? I highly doubt he wasn't wearing anything between the armor and his skin.

[Eromenos]

There should be nudity only if the males and females are equally exploited/presented.

Do not need lop-sided Game of Thrones-style fetish for racks at the expense of dong.

I don't expect to see dong in a BioWare game. But if we're going to deal with female T/A, we'd better be dealing with equal abundance of male T/A too.

Modifié par Eromenos, 31 mai 2013 - 10:48 .

[Bayonet Hipshot]

simfamSP wrote...

Why on earth would the darkspawn remove his underwear? Taking the armour, yeah makes sense cause it's good and maybe even be seen as a trophy. Taking off a probably **** stained piece of cloth? Why? You say it doesn't make sense that it's on, I say it doesn't make sense why they should remove it.

Where did I mention darkspawn removing armour?

Games aren't real life, this whole realism, that everything needs to super gritty and depressing doesn't fly when we can shoot fireballs out of our hands. Showing ******, because in some deluded way of thinking that¨it's more mature, doesn't make it so.

Realism is not "setting." If Dragon Age was set in a "light-hearted fantasy" I'd be more than opposed to nudity and even gore. But its not! Dragon Age deals with terrorism, rape, sex, violence, theft, slavery, human-traffic, genocide, racism, religion, politics, war, rebellion, human-sacrafice, drug-trade, betrayal, murder, gang-crime...

I don't think people realise how serious these things actually are. But because Dragon Age has not been able to visually express these themes is some sort of pathetic fallacy, it goes by quite unnoticed. Furthermore, the entire romance and companion aspect of the game tends to get more attention (and for good reason, since they're done brilliantly.) Consequently, this also leads to the more serious issues of Dragon Age fly by the player who doesn't read in-between the lines.

Word ....You sort of have to have actual mature elements in game to express these themes properly...one of them is nudity...

[Newschmoo]

I do not want to see nudity for nudity's sake.

The only time characters should be removing any armour should be for a 'love scene' or to bathe. If there is a 'love scene', I kind of prefer the one in ME1. You don't need to have everything out on show.

[WildOrchid]

I don't see why there shouldn't be any nudity. There's nothing wrong with that. Witcher does it perfectly fine. ME1 did it perfectly fine (until the fox dumb****s ruined it)

Anything is good, just don't show underwears again, they look ridiculous and totally ruin the scene. If you don't want to show full nudity then just do it the same way ME1 did.

[Angrywolves]

I called it creative camera angles, although I liked DAO's undies. I hated DA2's dumbed down presentation and I don't like fade to black. Despite what others claim I believe most fans want romances. Too late to do away with them now and that requires a degree of nudity.

[Hatchetman77]

Full nudity doesn't add anything really and it restricts your audience to 18 and up. I'm all for creative camera angles though. As long as nobody is standing in a shower (waterfall for DA I guess) in their undies.

[Bizantura]

I don't understand the problem with nudity within an adult game. I think the substitution like in DA2 with big boobies (Isabella) and a oversized sword (Fenris) and the like are far worse then actual sex scenes. Adds are full of sex for the unconscious because sex sells well. So putting all the sex symbols in a game so the unconscious can pick it up and believing there is no sex in it, who is kidding who!

I was naief to think a large part of humanity was finaly past that, big mistake, middle ages are returning it seems.

[cindercatz]

Should there be nudity in DA? Yes. It's drama, and it's specifically dramatic adult fantasy. So yes.

Nudity (actual nudity, however much is helpful to the scene) should definitely be there in scenes where it's appropriate and additive. It shouldn't just be there to satisfy the libido. Likewise all the little 'sex sells' bits that are all over the last so many BioWare games *shouldn't* be there. Use actual nudity and actual sexuality maturely as subject matter, as narrative elements, and leave all the adolescent cheesiness behind.

edit: Ah, just realized this is an old thread and I've already posted.  So I'll let those posts stand.

Modifié par cindercatz, 02 juin 2013 - 01:11 .

[Reznore57]

I like naked people , you know , like I can really appreciate a pretty statue or picture ...
But I found the idea of nudity in video game not super exciting...well it's naked pixel , at best the characters are going to look like your average porn Ken or Barbie. /Yawn.

Besides in the Witcher , ...men are not naked just women .
That's stupid and frustrating.

I miss the glorious days of the tv show "Oz" ,naked men everywhere !That was so great.
Come to think of it , the voice actor of Varric is naked in this show too ...
He was like super hot if i remember correctly.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Full nudity doesn't add anything really and it restricts your audience to 18 and up. I'm all for creative camera angles though. As long as nobody is standing in a shower (waterfall for DA I guess) in their undies.

Game is already restricted to audience 18+.

And only way to do it, is full nudity, so we don't have the crap that was in ME3. Witcher 2 is perfect example.

[Matthew Ryder]

Maybe if it was like this:
  
 
You know concealing as much as they can. If you mean something like the Witcher then no.

[WildOrchid]

simfamSP wrote...

Liara's love scene in ME3 was done really well.

Shepard's underwears ruined the scene. Especially if you're FShepard. Ridiculous.
The love scene in ME1 was far better.