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I hate fade to black. It's phony. I prefer creative camera angles.
This so much^
Should there be nudity, or no? (The thread that just won't die)
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#676
Posté 14 juillet 2013 - 11:13
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This so much^
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#677
Posté 14 juillet 2013 - 11:19
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Of course they should.
I don't think Bioware would allow full frontal male nudity nor would EA approve it out of fear of right wing Fox News and American religious right wing groups.
shrugs.
Rated M doesn't mean everything is permitted.
Doesn't Australia have a ratings board, so it could cause problems as well.
I don't think Bioware would allow full frontal male nudity nor would EA approve it out of fear of right wing Fox News and American religious right wing groups.
shrugs.
Rated M doesn't mean everything is permitted.
Doesn't Australia have a ratings board, so it could cause problems as well.
#678
Posté 14 juillet 2013 - 11:27
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Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!! 
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
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Posté 14 juillet 2013 - 11:44
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Why is nudity considered porn?brushyourteeth wrote...
Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!!
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
If you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
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Posté 14 juillet 2013 - 11:51
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Well there was romance in the DA and ME games, so it would be naive to expect they would abandon it in DAI.
Doubt it will be to the level of porn or hentai , for reasons previously stated.
Doubt it will be to the level of porn or hentai , for reasons previously stated.
#681
Posté 14 juillet 2013 - 11:54
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If you're going to do it; do it well.
If you're just going to have underwear and fade-to-black, then don't bother at all.
If you're just going to have underwear and fade-to-black, then don't bother at all.
#682
Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 12:10
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I love the brothels in Dragon Age. It makes for a nice laugh.
As for nudity? No. There are plenty of places for the eyes to see that. Spend that time improving conversation between companions.
Mature is subjective. Some people have no interest in getting hard/wet while playing a video game. There are other places to get that.
People enjoy watching violence more than sex. People can have sex with little consequence, but being a blood mage is impossible.
As for nudity? No. There are plenty of places for the eyes to see that. Spend that time improving conversation between companions.
cjones91 wrote...
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you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you
in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the
ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
Mature is subjective. Some people have no interest in getting hard/wet while playing a video game. There are other places to get that.
People enjoy watching violence more than sex. People can have sex with little consequence, but being a blood mage is impossible.
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#683
Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 12:51
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cjones91 wrote...
Why is nudity considered porn?brushyourteeth wrote...
Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!!
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
If you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
Mature people don't have a response to nudity? Ooookay.... I have five years of marriage under my belt that says this isn't the case.
If nudity causes no response in mature people, then why are "mature" people asking for it, and especially based on its supposed "maturity?"
If what people are hoping for isn't arousal, I wonder that they're so interested in campaigning for it? What does nudity bring to the table, if not sex? Of course there are situations where nudity serves for something else (broodmothers, Cailan's body being hung up by the darkspawn, etc.) but that's not what these topics are usually about (and everyone knows it.)
And the argument that nudity and violence are on equal shares in video games is baloney. We kill things in DA. That's what we do. It's made for violence. Nudity is a fan requested special feature, and will never (and should never) be a major and interactive element of the game.
I'm not saying that no one should ever be able to view nudity ever. I am saying that in light of the fact that DA was made for combat and storytelling, with mature (read: deep and engrossing) romance on the side, we ought to have more of all of those things and nudity shouldn't even be on the docket until all those things are perfected.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 12:52
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Nope, it's trashy. Not that I especially care, you may all have your video game nudity if you really want it.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 01:03
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Nudity can also be used for artistic purposes.I'm of the opinion that a mature person should'nt be freaking out if they see a naked man or woman because it's silly,and there is a double standard when it comes to nudity and violence in video games.It's okay to rip someone to shreds,cover yourself in their organs and blood but if you show a penis or a pair of breasts then apparently that's crossing the line.brushyourteeth wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Why is nudity considered porn?brushyourteeth wrote...
Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!!
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
If you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
Mature people don't have a response to nudity? Ooookay.... I have five years of marriage under my belt that says this isn't the case.
If nudity causes no response in mature people, then why are "mature" people asking for it, and especially based on its supposed "maturity?"
If what people are hoping for isn't arousal, I wonder that they're so interested in campaigning for it? What does nudity bring to the table, if not sex? Of course there are situations where nudity serves for something else (broodmothers, Cailan's body being hung up by the darkspawn, etc.) but that's not what these topics are usually about (and everyone knows it.)
And the argument that nudity and violence are on equal shares in video games is baloney. We kill things in DA. That's what we do. It's made for violence. Nudity is a fan requested special feature, and will never (and should never) be a major and interactive element of the game.
I'm not saying that no one should ever be able to view nudity ever. I am saying that in light of the fact that DA was made for combat and storytelling, with mature (read: deep and engrossing) romance on the side, we ought to have more of all of those things and nudity shouldn't even be on the docket until all those things are perfected.
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#686
Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 01:09
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cjones91 wrote...
Nudity can also be used for artistic purposes.I'm of the opinion that a mature person should'nt be freaking out if they see a naked man or woman because it's silly,and there is a double standard when it comes to nudity and violence in video games.It's okay to rip someone to shreds,cover yourself in their organs and blood but if you show a penis or a pair of breasts then apparently that's crossing the line.brushyourteeth wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Why is nudity considered porn?brushyourteeth wrote...
Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!!
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
If you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
Mature people don't have a response to nudity? Ooookay.... I have five years of marriage under my belt that says this isn't the case.
If nudity causes no response in mature people, then why are "mature" people asking for it, and especially based on its supposed "maturity?"
If what people are hoping for isn't arousal, I wonder that they're so interested in campaigning for it? What does nudity bring to the table, if not sex? Of course there are situations where nudity serves for something else (broodmothers, Cailan's body being hung up by the darkspawn, etc.) but that's not what these topics are usually about (and everyone knows it.)
And the argument that nudity and violence are on equal shares in video games is baloney. We kill things in DA. That's what we do. It's made for violence. Nudity is a fan requested special feature, and will never (and should never) be a major and interactive element of the game.
I'm not saying that no one should ever be able to view nudity ever. I am saying that in light of the fact that DA was made for combat and storytelling, with mature (read: deep and engrossing) romance on the side, we ought to have more of all of those things and nudity shouldn't even be on the docket until all those things are perfected.
Help me understand, then. What does adding a pair of breasts or a penis (never going to happen, BTW because what most people say when they mean "nudity" is actually "nipples") actually bring to the table that will make Dragon Age a better game series?
And if your point is "violence is just as offensive as nudity," then why aren't you simply on a campaign to get rid of both, rather than using one "this is offensive too!" argument to support another?
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 01:13
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If it's in the context of the story or is used in a deep romantic scene then nudity can add alot to a game.I actually don't care if there's nudity or not but it can be used if the story calls for it and the nudity itself is tasteful.brushyourteeth wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Nudity can also be used for artistic purposes.I'm of the opinion that a mature person should'nt be freaking out if they see a naked man or woman because it's silly,and there is a double standard when it comes to nudity and violence in video games.It's okay to rip someone to shreds,cover yourself in their organs and blood but if you show a penis or a pair of breasts then apparently that's crossing the line.brushyourteeth wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Why is nudity considered porn?brushyourteeth wrote...
Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!!
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
If you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
Mature people don't have a response to nudity? Ooookay.... I have five years of marriage under my belt that says this isn't the case.
If nudity causes no response in mature people, then why are "mature" people asking for it, and especially based on its supposed "maturity?"
If what people are hoping for isn't arousal, I wonder that they're so interested in campaigning for it? What does nudity bring to the table, if not sex? Of course there are situations where nudity serves for something else (broodmothers, Cailan's body being hung up by the darkspawn, etc.) but that's not what these topics are usually about (and everyone knows it.)
And the argument that nudity and violence are on equal shares in video games is baloney. We kill things in DA. That's what we do. It's made for violence. Nudity is a fan requested special feature, and will never (and should never) be a major and interactive element of the game.
I'm not saying that no one should ever be able to view nudity ever. I am saying that in light of the fact that DA was made for combat and storytelling, with mature (read: deep and engrossing) romance on the side, we ought to have more of all of those things and nudity shouldn't even be on the docket until all those things are perfected.
Help me understand, then. What does adding a pair of breasts or a penis (never going to happen, BTW because what most people say when they mean "nudity" is actually "nipples") actually bring to the table that will make Dragon Age a better game series?
And if your point is "violence is just as offensive as nudity," then why aren't you simply on a campaign to get rid of both, rather than using one "this is offensive too!" argument to support another?
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None of the sex scenes in bioware games I'd say were particularly well done. DA2 did well to simply not include them. Threw in awkward cuddling tho.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 01:17
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Nudity? No, but more realistic preambles to getting busy would be nice. ME1 handled things the best, with Miranda (ME2), Isabella (DA2), Ash and Traynor (ME3) coming in right behind (no pun intended). Enthusiasm and believability trump gratuitous fleshy bits.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 01:19
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Angrywolves wrote...
Of course they should.
I don't think Bioware would allow full frontal male nudity nor would EA approve it out of fear of right wing Fox News and American religious right wing groups.
shrugs.
Rated M doesn't mean everything is permitted.
Doesn't Australia have a ratings board, so it could cause problems as well.
As long as Bioware dosen't go putting random rape scences or RL drugs in DAI we should be good with regards to the OFLC (Australia's ratings board).
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 01:30
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Saedius Asicus wrote...
Nudity? No, but more realistic preambles to getting busy would be nice. ME1 handled things the best, with Miranda (ME2), Isabella (DA2), Ash and Traynor (ME3) coming in right behind (no pun intended). Enthusiasm and believability trump gratuitous fleshy bits.
This, though I enjoyed the dark ritual because of the romantic/intimate build up to the scene. Not the same with Loghain and Alistair obviously.
Honestly full nudity in my opinion accomplishes nothing more than partial nudity or even creative camera angles can. Do I have an issue with it? Not really, but at the moment they need to prove why they belong more than anything.
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No underwear, just fade to black. I don't care at all about sex scenes, but the underwear is mind-blowingly cheesy. I really don't need more than a split second of cinematic to imply some kind of intimacy, it is not important at all to me. Let people use their imagination, I think people still have those.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 02:44
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scyphozoa wrote...
No underwear, just fade to black. I don't care at all about sex scenes, but the underwear is mind-blowingly cheesy. I really don't need more than a split second of cinematic to imply some kind of intimacy, it is not important at all to me. Let people use their imagination, I think people still have those.
The female underwear wasn't bad in either game but the male underwear in DA2 was so horrific I couldn't stand it. I'd rather just have something suggestive fully clothed then fade to black than see that again.
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Sex sells. If the combat doesn't interest them; and the writing bores them, at least the promise of boobs will attract them.
I actually think nudity benefits the setting in tons of ways. Not just for sex, that's a completely different thing, but say, for example, a man so poor he has literally NO CLOTHES (and trust me, I've seen this) would go down great for the atmosphere.
Or perhaps humour. Some Monty Python scene where the noble you're sent to inquire is butt naked. Perhaps you don't have to see his lordly ****, but it's still implied.
The slave trade (if we ever get to see it) could use nudity for a greater impact. Imagine a scene where women (and men, there are homosexuals in Thedas afterall, and they're pretty open about it) humiliated in front of hundreds of people, being stripped naked to see if "they're healthy" or not.
Then of course, there is rape, but that subject is way to controversial to be discussed here.
And back to LI sex. Though I just said that I won't talk about it, something just popped into my mind. Why is the mention of nudity almost a catalyst for the implications of pornography? Can't there be a touching scene where the LI shows you her/his body? It's a symbolic gesture of trust and passion, of course, the player might giggle "boobs/abs/pecs/nipples" but that's *your* personal disengagement from the importance of the scene, your own fault that the passion between lovers is totally degraded into just sex. No one has said anything about the Witcher 2 (which I must admit did admirably well, it fits the mood of the game perfectly;) Dragon Age's romances are completely different (and more developed in the sense that the relationship progresses and doesn't linger in a state of yes/no/maybe/I don't know.) They encompass the stages of a growing relationship within one game, as opposed to the Witcher (and hell, even Mass Effect) where the romance steadily develops into a centre of irrefutable love. And **** I'm feeling cheesy to here's a nice change of pace.
Nudity can also be used for an emphasis on violence. Eunuchs (or the process in which said person is cut) is one thing, and rotting corpses is another. I hated that scene where you see Cailan, it's made so ridiculous seeing him in his freaking underwear. Do the Darkspawn suddenly respect modesty?
"Oh no, we couldn't possibly do that! How degrading of us, don't you think? What."
But still, if it's too much trouble and if people get worked up about it, then meh. I'm not bothering. I'm sure it isn't THAT expensive to made a nude model, but then again, what the **** do I know?
I actually think nudity benefits the setting in tons of ways. Not just for sex, that's a completely different thing, but say, for example, a man so poor he has literally NO CLOTHES (and trust me, I've seen this) would go down great for the atmosphere.
Or perhaps humour. Some Monty Python scene where the noble you're sent to inquire is butt naked. Perhaps you don't have to see his lordly ****, but it's still implied.
The slave trade (if we ever get to see it) could use nudity for a greater impact. Imagine a scene where women (and men, there are homosexuals in Thedas afterall, and they're pretty open about it) humiliated in front of hundreds of people, being stripped naked to see if "they're healthy" or not.
Then of course, there is rape, but that subject is way to controversial to be discussed here.
And back to LI sex. Though I just said that I won't talk about it, something just popped into my mind. Why is the mention of nudity almost a catalyst for the implications of pornography? Can't there be a touching scene where the LI shows you her/his body? It's a symbolic gesture of trust and passion, of course, the player might giggle "boobs/abs/pecs/nipples" but that's *your* personal disengagement from the importance of the scene, your own fault that the passion between lovers is totally degraded into just sex. No one has said anything about the Witcher 2 (which I must admit did admirably well, it fits the mood of the game perfectly;) Dragon Age's romances are completely different (and more developed in the sense that the relationship progresses and doesn't linger in a state of yes/no/maybe/I don't know.) They encompass the stages of a growing relationship within one game, as opposed to the Witcher (and hell, even Mass Effect) where the romance steadily develops into a centre of irrefutable love. And **** I'm feeling cheesy to here's a nice change of pace.
Nudity can also be used for an emphasis on violence. Eunuchs (or the process in which said person is cut) is one thing, and rotting corpses is another. I hated that scene where you see Cailan, it's made so ridiculous seeing him in his freaking underwear. Do the Darkspawn suddenly respect modesty?
"Oh no, we couldn't possibly do that! How degrading of us, don't you think? What."
But still, if it's too much trouble and if people get worked up about it, then meh. I'm not bothering. I'm sure it isn't THAT expensive to made a nude model, but then again, what the **** do I know?
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 09:54
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No fade to black please.
In DA2 I thought Isabela could have removed her top from behind, showing only her back and leaned forward in a tastefully scene.
I liked Merrill kissing hawke and leading him/her to the bed but didn't like the rest of it.
Scenes can be tastefully done with creative camera angles requiring a little imagination without full nudity.
I doubt Bioware will make the effort to do their romance scenes in a spirited and imaginative way.
In DA2 I thought Isabela could have removed her top from behind, showing only her back and leaned forward in a tastefully scene.
I liked Merrill kissing hawke and leading him/her to the bed but didn't like the rest of it.
Scenes can be tastefully done with creative camera angles requiring a little imagination without full nudity.
I doubt Bioware will make the effort to do their romance scenes in a spirited and imaginative way.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:07
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'Saedius Asicus wrote...
Nudity? No, but more realistic preambles to getting busy would be nice. ME1 handled things the best, with Miranda (ME2), Isabella (DA2), Ash and Traynor (ME3) coming in right behind (no pun intended). Enthusiasm and believability trump gratuitous fleshy bits.
You sure you want Traynor in that list? Showering in underwear? That's one of the scenes where nudity would have been really useful
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:22
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Nope.... If you really "need" nudity in a video game, perhaps you should get a real relationship. Nudity in games is just silly and unnecessary.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:30
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Was anyone arguing that it was necessary? I didn't see that
And what's silly about it? Not having nudity in ME3 resulted in silliness too. DA:O too, though bostly because of Morrigan's magic bra.
And what's silly about it? Not having nudity in ME3 resulted in silliness too. DA:O too, though bostly because of Morrigan's magic bra.
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Posté 15 juillet 2013 - 11:36
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cjones91 wrote...
Why is nudity considered porn?brushyourteeth wrote...
Who necro'd this thread? I will find you and smash a cupcake into your FACE!!!
As always, my answer is "no."
Real porn is cheap, which pixel-porn is costly and time consuming to make.
Some of us would just rather have more "game" in our game.
If you must see your waifu naked to feel like the game was worth your money, I don't know what to tell you. Try mods or fan art and be content with that. The devs don't owe you nudity just because the rest of their creative choices aren't for kids. I'd rather they put their talents to good use creating more cool armor types than asking them to spend hours adjusting nipple textures or bump 'n grind animations (all of which will just be for fan service, and none of which will actually be enough to please all their fans.)
If you are a mature person then seeing naked people should not affect you in any way,so why make such a big deal about nudity in games and not the ridiculus ammounts of violence that is in every game nowadays?
Because sadly America is a "Christian" country. And being naked is a 'sin' or something, that and having sex is too.
But gun violence and a bunch of blood is A.O.K. here... *facepalm* I hate this country sometimes.
and in all honesty, all you have to do is wait, what 3 days? and Rule 34 of the internet will kick in and you will get your wish.
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Nope.... If you really "need" nudity in a video game, perhaps you should get a real relationship. Nudity in games is just silly and unnecessary.
Oh ffs -.-
I've been in a relationship for years and I still have time for mister righty.
Joking aside, video game, book, tv, or movie, it doesn't freaking matter which medium it's in. If a video-game can challenge religion, excersise political intrigue as good as Martin's books; create believable characters, complex narratives; include racism, sexism, political sattire, extreme violence, psychological illness, pathological ilness...
WHEN GAMES HAVE DIARIES LIKE THIS! You'd think the bloody medium has developed and matured enough to include freaking nudity without it being "silly."
You sound like one of these people who haven't picked up a controller since PONG.
/rant over.
