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[Ieldra]

M25105 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@M25105:
As usual, you didn't bother to understand what I wrote: I have neither a particular fondness nor a particular aversion to nudity in video games, but I have an aversion to censorship which makes scenes appear like a parody. In scenes where characters would be expected to be unclothed, they should be. They shouldn't be given some stuff to wear just for the sake of people who'd be "offended" by nudity. Really, I can't begin to express my contempt for such a mindset.

Anyway, it's all a part of my "dressing for the occasion" principle that Bioware violates at every turn with its "iconic" presentation of characters.

Camera anglesangels and use of shadows.

Perfectly fine with me. I don't need to see everything, but what I see should be believable. As for your ME3 example....let's discuss the series' Writer's Pet somewhere else.

[Ridwan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@M25105:
As usual, you didn't bother to understand what I wrote: I have neither a particular fondness nor a particular aversion to nudity in video games, but I have an aversion to censorship which makes scenes appear like a parody. In scenes where characters would be expected to be unclothed, they should be. They shouldn't be given some stuff to wear just for the sake of people who'd be "offended" by nudity. Really, I can't begin to express my contempt for such a mindset.

Anyway, it's all a part of my "dressing for the occasion" principle that Bioware violates at every turn with its "iconic" presentation of characters.

Camera anglesangels and use of shadows.

Perfectly fine with me. I don't need to see everything, but what I see should be believable. As for your ME3 example....let's discuss the series' Writer's Pet somewhere else.

My point is, that's it's a fallacy to use the "Bioware afraid of Fox news".

1. Liara shows more skin in ME 3
2. Dragon Age 2 and ME 3 has the option playing as a homosexual with homosexual companions or other npcs (Steve).

The report was nothing, but a blessing in disguise for Bioware. It raised a lot of awareness to Mass Effect, you don't get better publicity like that.

The same goes for people thinking that anyone that's against nudity is some fundementalist prude. It bugs me quite a lot.

Modifié par M25105, 19 juillet 2013 - 12:20 .

[Nashimura]

They toned it right down for ME2 and Origins compared to ME1, it seemed like an intimidate reaction to the fox news story that they eventually got over by the time 3 came along.

[Ieldra]

M25105 wrote...
The same goes for people thinking that anyone that's against nudity is some fundementalist prude. It bugs me quite a lot.

Depends on the context. If it's perfectly appropriate in a scene, and the scene is perfectly appropriate in the story, and you're still against it, sorry, then I'll label you a fundamentalist prude unless you can convince me otherwise.

Does DAI need such scenes? Or course not. At the same time, they're not necessarily out of place, so as far as I'm concerned, if they put some in it's ok with me, if they don't, it's ok as well. All I'm saying is that *if* they put scenes in where nudity is the appropriate state of a character, then it would be dishonest, cowardly or a mark of fundamentalist prudishness not to show it. 

Having said that, Liara's scene in ME3 is fine. I just wish they'd made the same effort for the others. Isabela's scene stops a little early for my taste, but those daggers always make me smile so I'm ok with it.

[Azaron Nightblade]

 DA:I will be the next Spartacus. 

[Magdalena11]

I'll hop on the nudity while appropriate bus again. I don't mind seeing someone wake up in their underwear but if I have to see male Hawke's long johns again I'm going to scream. I also don't expect to see the more graphic cutscenes from DAO make a reappearance. It's not that I'm a fundamentalist (rather the reverse, really) but that I don't get my kicks from pixilated grinding. A really nice kiss or maybe Isabela's daggers and then fade to black. I also liked the morning-after scene when my female Hawke romanced Fenris, which I thought was appropriate. I don't want a return to the fully animated grinding in DAO, but if it were to happen I don't want to see underwear there.

[Mykel54]

I dont see the point of having nudity, because bioware can actually sell more copies by not having it. Nobody buys a DA game to see nudity, its for other reasons, so its smarter to just avoid it and sell more copies. I always thought the DAO sex scenes were the worst part of the game, and pretty much prefered the fade to black used in DA2 or even Jade Empire. I have a pretty good agination and dont really need to watch sex scenes while playing a game.

[cjones91]

Mykel54 wrote...

I dont see the point of having nudity, because bioware can actually sell more copies by not having it. Nobody buys a DA game to see nudity, its for other reasons, so its smarter to just avoid it and sell more copies. I always thought the DAO sex scenes were the worst part of the game, and pretty much prefered the fade to black used in DA2 or even Jade Empire. I have a pretty good agination and dont really need to watch sex scenes while playing a game.

Some people like their mature games to actually be mature and show nudity when it's appropriate.If people are going to complain about showing the human body then you might as well tone down the violence as well.

[Mr Cloud]

Hmm, I belive this topic should be completely overhauled, because case of having or not nudity in game is a bit vague and the whole idea is not really precise. Something else should be considered: is nudity essential to make sex scenes (around which this topic is truly revolving) more sensual, intimate. It isn't that hard actually to make those scenes more realistic even without undressing characters (e.g. two characters doing this and that, hidden under quilt). Still it is something that I would not like to see. What I'm craving for are emotions. I want to see passion, love, trust between lovers. I don't wanna see a raw act, we have porn for that. I don't wanna see full-scale anatomic model of man or woman, from either side - internet has millions of pictures of them. As I've said before, Mass Effect 1 did it right. There were emotions, right camera angles showing nudity in a mild, but sensual way. And that was really beautiful and sexy. This is the way (imo) that Bioware should take.

[shumworld]

FearedZero wrote...

No, boobs are evil

Though boobs on monsters is acceptable.

[Plaintiff]

cjones91 wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I dont see the point of having nudity, because bioware can actually sell more copies by not having it. Nobody buys a DA game to see nudity, its for other reasons, so its smarter to just avoid it and sell more copies. I always thought the DAO sex scenes were the worst part of the game, and pretty much prefered the fade to black used in DA2 or even Jade Empire. I have a pretty good agination and dont really need to watch sex scenes while playing a game.

Some people like their mature games to actually be mature and show nudity when it's appropriate.If people are going to complain about showing the human body then you might as well tone down the violence as well.

What's so "mature" about nudity?

[dragonflight288]

In my opinion, I don't think romance scenes should have nudity in the sense that every romance shows it. I'm thinking of my home where my younger siblings still live with me and I don't trust their maturity levels to handle nudity, but I can't think of a legitimate reason to not allow them to play games since I'm gone a lot for work or college (during the semester) and they're home.

Instead, I think the sex scenes can be toggled in the game-play, and if you turn them off, you see the protagonist and the love interest kissing then it fades to black, and that way those who want it can have it, and those who don't aren't required to see it.

[Plaintiff]

When you say the children in your home can't "handle" nudity maturely, are we talking about giggling at the screen or full-on PTSD?

Of course, if one feels the need to protect the children in their home, that's entirely their prerogative. Game developers shouldn't be expected to accomodate that any further than they already do, with their adherence to classification review boards in order to help the consumer make educated decisions.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 juillet 2013 - 06:50 .

[cjones91]

Plaintiff wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I dont see the point of having nudity, because bioware can actually sell more copies by not having it. Nobody buys a DA game to see nudity, its for other reasons, so its smarter to just avoid it and sell more copies. I always thought the DAO sex scenes were the worst part of the game, and pretty much prefered the fade to black used in DA2 or even Jade Empire. I have a pretty good agination and dont really need to watch sex scenes while playing a game.

Some people like their mature games to actually be mature and show nudity when it's appropriate.If people are going to complain about showing the human body then you might as well tone down the violence as well.

What's so "mature" about nudity?

What is so mature about gore and violence?

[cjones91]

Plaintiff wrote...

When you say the children in your home can't "handle" nudity maturely, are we talking about giggling at the screen or full-on PTSD?

Of course, if one feels the need to protect the children in their home, that's entirely their prerogative. Game developers shouldn't be expected to accomodate that any further than they already do, with their adherence to classification review boards in order to help the consumer make educated decisions.

With the ammount of sex kids see nowadays I don't know people keep saying nudity is bad in video games since the kids see it in movies and tv shows.Funny how the moral guardians don't have a problem with a kid seeing someone get ripped in half with their guts strewn all over the place,but if they see a woman's breasts or a dick and all of a sudden its' the end of the world.

[Plaintiff]

cjones91 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

When you say the children in your home can't "handle" nudity maturely, are we talking about giggling at the screen or full-on PTSD?

Of course, if one feels the need to protect the children in their home, that's entirely their prerogative. Game developers shouldn't be expected to accomodate that any further than they already do, with their adherence to classification review boards in order to help the consumer make educated decisions.

With the ammount of sex kids see nowadays I don't know people keep saying nudity is bad in video games since the kids see it in movies and tv shows.Funny how the moral guardians don't have a problem with a kid seeing someone get ripped in half with their guts strewn all over the place,but if they see a woman's breasts or a dick and all of a sudden its' the end of the world.

If you think the "moral guardians" don't care if their children see grotesque violence, then you don't know them very well. Most of them do.

In fact, video game violence has been the centre of much controversy, as anyone who games should be aware.

[cjones91]

Plaintiff wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

When you say the children in your home can't "handle" nudity maturely, are we talking about giggling at the screen or full-on PTSD?

Of course, if one feels the need to protect the children in their home, that's entirely their prerogative. Game developers shouldn't be expected to accomodate that any further than they already do, with their adherence to classification review boards in order to help the consumer make educated decisions.

With the ammount of sex kids see nowadays I don't know people keep saying nudity is bad in video games since the kids see it in movies and tv shows.Funny how the moral guardians don't have a problem with a kid seeing someone get ripped in half with their guts strewn all over the place,but if they see a woman's breasts or a dick and all of a sudden its' the end of the world.

If you think the "moral guardians" don't care if their children see grotesque violence, then you don't know them very well. Most of them do.

In fact, video game violence has been the centre of much controversy, as anyone who games should be aware.

I know,but there is a double standard as to what is "acceptable" in video games.People don't bat a eyelid when kids play games with ridiculus ammounts of gore and violence that would give them nightmares if they were'nt already used to it,but somehow the smallest bit of nudity in a game causes outrage.

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

Dobbysaurus wrote...

Yes. I want to see boobs.

I like the cut of your jib

It sounds like you're ordering meat from a butcher.

[PinkysPain]

BoBear wrote...

Well should there? Personally I think the previous games did fine without nudity but I wouldn't not buy the game if it had it in there. Do you think Bioware should take the M rating this game is most likely going to have all the way? Or should they again just leave it to our imaginations?

Either fade to black or have them be naked, I can live with either ... the problem comes in when they don't leave it to your imagination and have them be clothed when it makes no sense, that takes me right out of the game.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 20 juillet 2013 - 01:13 .

[Lord Raijin]

If this game is being marketed for adults then why not? Add in those boobs, vaginas and penis. Let's not forget those hams! Theirs nothing wrong with nudity.

[dragonflight288]

When you say the children in your home can't "handle" nudity maturely, are we talking about giggling at the screen or full-on PTSD?

A little of both. I may be a bit biased as they are my siblings (the youngest is still 13) but I don't think that's the age to be viewing nudity when they are only starting puberty. Let them get comfortable with themselves and their changing bodies, and receive the talk, then whatever.

It's not just nudity either, my youngest sister won't play many video games because of violence or language, and that's not a rule I'm enforcing, but because she doesn't like it.

Of course, if one feels the need to protect the children in their home, that's entirely their prerogative. Game developers shouldn't be expected to accomodate that any further than they already do, with their adherence to classification review boards in order to help the consumer make educated decisions.

I agree. I'm concerned with what goes on in my home, but I won't tell people what to do in their home, or how to enforce what rules or play which games. If Bioware doesn't do what I think, then who cares, I'll simply not let them play the game until they're a little older. (I won't tell them not to play it because that's the quickest way to make them want to play it, but rather, I'd play it, put it off to the side where they wouldn't think to look for it, and they naturally won't play it. Tested the theory of hiding things in the open several times and I find it is the most effective strategy to keep them from using something, at least in my home.)

I know,but there is a double standard as to what is "acceptable" in video games.People don't bat a eyelid when kids play games with ridiculus ammounts of gore and violence that would give them nightmares if they were'nt already used to it,but somehow the smallest bit of nudity in a game causes outrage.

That is true for society in general, but not necessarily true to every individual. As I said earlier, my sister refuses to play many video games because of language or violence, and I help home-school a family friend's son who absolutely wants to play games like Halo or Skyrim, but his mother told me he's completely forbidden from playing violent games (beyond cartoony violence like Lego games or Worms) or games with strong language in it because he's picking up some bad habits of bullying his younger brother and swearing, and his mother wants me to keep those influences away from him if at all possible.

The only point I was making is that many people do care about the violence in video games, and often keep their children from playing those games because of it, but society as a whole seems to celebrate violence, not only in games but also in other forms of entertainment, and has become sort of expected whereas nudity isn't ingrained at the cultural level.

[Darth Krytie]

I don't have a problem either way. On the one hand, I think certain places put too much stigma on nudity as if seeing the human body without clothes is somehow traumatic.

On the other hand, I don't require nudity to enjoy a game.

Either way. It doesn't matter to me as long as it's done in a way that isn't objectifying.

[stonemyst]

Well if we go to those cities like Isabella said no one turns down a tumble or even a seer reading. Sex sells. If I have a torcher chamber I would expect those people to be nude if they are strapped to a wall. I don't think they will put any nudity in DAI to many whiners