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Should there be nudity, or no? (The thread that just won't die)


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I feel it's part of the Desire Demons' charm(and I'm a huge Desire Demon fan), so yes. Otherwise don't really care. I can't imagine Bioware sex scenes will ever be anything but hilarious regardless.

They're a fun part of the game, but come on they're usually pretty funny...whether it's the lines or awkward animations :D 

Modifié par ForTheWynne, 20 juillet 2013 - 06:46 .


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ForTheWynne wrote...

I feel it's part of the Desire Demons' charm(and I'm a huge Desire Demon fan), so yes. Otherwise don't really care. I can't imagine Bioware sex scenes will ever be anything but hilarious regardless.

They're a fun part of the game, but come on they're usually pretty funny...whether it's the lines or awkward animations :D 


The Desire Demon has yet to be nude in-game.

There are little tassels, see.

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EntropicAngel wrote...


The Desire Demon has yet to be nude in-game.

There are little tassels, see.


LoL oops.  *looks up picture*  right.  Guess it just always felt like they were somewhat nude.  Still am a huge fan of those evil temptresses :lol:

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My issue is not with nudity per se, but with plausibility.

If it is plausible for a scene to have the characters unclothed, I hate it if they make them wear underwear just to avoid offending the f*cking fundamentalists. If you don't want nudity, then be honest about it and don't show scenes were it would be a necessity to be believable, and if you do want the scenes, then show them without censoring.

I love the mood of the ME1 romance scenes, but then came Faux News and since then they're sh*tting their pants at EA at the thought of a repeat. Cowards.

Sorry for the crude language, but this really sends me up the wall.


So the fact that David has said repeatedly that they don't do nudity because they don't want to doesn't matter to you? You don't believe him?

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I've never understood the whole issue with nudity, I mean the game is rated M, which means 18+, we're not f*cking children we can handle a bit of nudity, especially when it adds to the overall effect of the scene. Why is it that graphic violence, decapitation, dismemberment etc is fine, yet when it comes to nudity there is this ridiculous double standard? It's very tiring seeing games that are M rated in everything but actually showing nudity, which incidentally are always the first mods to come out for games, maybe it's just me, but I don't see the big deal of including nudity when it fits into the story, i'm not asking for full on porn scenes, just tastefully added nudity to be added to an already mature storyline.

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Mhf.... maybe a day producer will be free to add mature content in supposed to be mature games...
The witcher 2 had nude content but handled in story context..It helped to have a believable world and to feel me immersed on it.....

Always better than seen a merryl in bed with hawke wearing a corset from nowhere......

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I think Gaider has some some moral barrier.
He, Laidlaw, Darrah, Flynn ,etc.
A certain line they won't cross because it would offend them personally even if that line is inconsistent with a rated M game in all it's potential .
They're trying to make the game they want to make.
I don't think they care if the Witcher 3 outsells DAI because W3 has blatant nudity while DAI doesn't.
EA might care though and that may be where the pressure gets racheted up.
Pressure from conservative America to tone things down verses EA wanting a big AAA game success at all costs and the developers moral compasses being caught in the middle.

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Monica83 wrote...

Mhf.... maybe a day producer will be free to add mature content in supposed to be mature games...
The witcher 2 had nude content but handled in story context..It helped to have a believable world and to feel me immersed on it.....

Always better than seen a merryl in bed with hawke wearing a corset from nowhere......


I need neither digital copulation nor digital naughty bits for immersion.  Nor do I need that to feel like I am in a mature story or world. Posted Image

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13Dannyboy13 wrote...

I've never understood the whole issue with nudity, I mean the game is rated M, which means 18+, we're not f*cking children we can handle a bit of nudity, especially when it adds to the overall effect of the scene. Why is it that graphic violence, decapitation, dismemberment etc is fine, yet when it comes to nudity there is this ridiculous double standard? It's very tiring seeing games that are M rated in everything but actually showing nudity, which incidentally are always the first mods to come out for games, maybe it's just me, but I don't see the big deal of including nudity when it fits into the story, i'm not asking for full on porn scenes, just tastefully added nudity to be added to an already mature storyline.


Until gamers start asking for big, hard ****s waving about in their faces, asking for nudity is itself a double standard because it typically means boobs, and especially from highly sexualized women. 

Let's go equal opportunity here! It's time for DA:I to have a big ol' serving of Cullen's templar sword of mercy. 

Modifié par In Exile, 20 juillet 2013 - 02:43 .


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Angrywolves wrote...

I think Gaider has some some moral barrier.
He, Laidlaw, Darrah, Flynn ,etc.
A certain line they won't cross because it would offend them personally even if that line is inconsistent with a rated M game in all it's potential .
They're trying to make the game they want to make.
I don't think they care if the Witcher 3 outsells DAI because W3 has blatant nudity while DAI doesn't.
EA might care though and that may be where the pressure gets racheted up.
Pressure from conservative America to tone things down verses EA wanting a big AAA game success at all costs and the developers moral compasses being caught in the middle.



Well, let's also be fair to the devs. Their non-interest in producing nudity may not necessarily be because of a moral issue -- pixel grinding does have a certain "squickness" factor to it, and once undertaken, if not done right, makes a game a complete joke (I found the Witcher 2 positively LOL/cringeworthy and gave up taking it seriously).
There's also a simple "Why should we, when we can instead use our time to add x,y, or z instead?" question, which I think is fair.

And some of them may in fact have moral objections to producing nudity, in which case we're awful for judging and imposing our wishes on their artistic expression. But we can't know that for sure.

I don't like how we're throwing "fundamentalist" or "puritan" around as if it's anything more than a way to express anger that someone has the gall to have their own (in our opinion: outdated) idea of what's right that's different from ours. "How dare someone sell a product without every fan's input?!?! Don't they know that if they don't like what I like they're WRONG?!" News flash: sometimes people have valid reasons for their thinking.

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The only right way to ask this question IMHO is:  Should there not be nudity in games?

And the answer to that is no.
The answer to the OP's question is also no.

Nudity in mature games is not a should or should not deal.  It should be incorporated only where warranted and at the publisher's discretion.  Simple as that.  I'm tired of the moralistic stance against nudity.  Some people like it in their games, some don't.  Same as some people enjoy the same-sex options, while others don't.  Same with any game mechanic.  Including nudity in a mature game doesn't hurt those who aren't looking for it (unless they have an overly delicate disposition).  Live and let live.

Personally, I think anyone who would buy or not buy a DA or ME game based on its limited nudity either has a superiority complex, or doesn't know there are better options out there for getting your rocks off.  Like a girlfriend.

Modifié par Degs29, 20 juillet 2013 - 03:45 .


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i think not, there has to be a line of what is acceptable and full frontal nudity is unnecessary and too objectifying. DA:O had it right I want great game not a perverted porno.

Modifié par rolson00, 20 juillet 2013 - 04:17 .


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rolson00 wrote...

i think not, there has to be a line of what is acceptable and full frontal nudity is unnecessary and too objectifying. DA:O had it right I want great game not a perverted porno.


While you're at it, there should be no killing, and since there has to be a line somewhere, brutal fights with a blood flying all around are too drastic. It should be a great game not a cheap gore.

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There were some pretty revealing "underwear scenes" in DA:O, but they didn't seem pornographic, at least not to me. Fox News didn't seem to know the difference between full frontal nudity, and being in undies. I would just rather have "fade to black", than a scene like Anders and my fem Hawke, in DA:2. He didn't even remove his boots or his knife!

If they do have romances in DA:I, let's hope they'll find a way to do it tastefully without making the love scenes ridiculous.

Modifié par schalafi, 20 juillet 2013 - 05:37 .


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If you have sex - show people having sex - don't insult our intelligence by having people rubbing up on each other with their clothes on.

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If DAI is appropriately rated, sure, I'd like that. I always think it's odd that showing exploding heads, limbs getting ripped of or boobs on monsters is OK, but showing them on actual 'real' people is immoral.

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13Dannyboy13 wrote...

I've never understood the whole issue with nudity, I mean the game is rated M, which means 18+, we're not f*cking children we can handle a bit of nudity, especially when it adds to the overall effect of the scene. Why is it that graphic violence, decapitation, dismemberment etc is fine, yet when it comes to nudity there is this ridiculous double standard? It's very tiring seeing games that are M rated in everything but actually showing nudity, which incidentally are always the first mods to come out for games, maybe it's just me, but I don't see the big deal of including nudity when it fits into the story, i'm not asking for full on porn scenes, just tastefully added nudity to be added to an already mature storyline.


Totally

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rolson00 wrote...

i think not, there has to be a line of what is acceptable and full frontal nudity is unnecessary and too objectifying. DA:O had it right I want great game not a perverted porno.



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I want to amend my previous answer to this. (as long as it adds to the story and is tastefully done).

I also want to add that all women do not have the same breast size. We come in all shapes and sizes not just "as big as my head" as some games would have us believe. So if they are going to "display" them in all their glory please add some variety.

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I hate fade to black - It feels like a cop out. Wearing underwear in scenes that should obviously have been in the nude is even worse. The worst instance of this is the shower scene in ME3. I actually said "WTF" when I saw it. I think creative camera angles or lighting to hide the naughty bits is quite enough. Personally I wouldn't care if they showed full frontal nudity, as long as the male characters are included. I really despise double standards.

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AstraDrakkar wrote...

 Wearing underwear in scenes that should obviously have been in the nude is even worse. The worst instance of this is the shower scene in ME3. I actually said "WTF"when I saw it. I think creative camera angles or lighting to hide the naughty bits is quite enough. Personally I wouldn't care if they showed full frontal nudity (as long as the male characters are included), but that's just my personal view.


Are you serious? They actually did that? Good lord give me a break lol

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AutumnWitch wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

 Wearing underwear in scenes that should obviously have been in the nude is even worse. The worst instance of this is the shower scene in ME3. I actually said "WTF"when I saw it. I think creative camera angles or lighting to hide the naughty bits is quite enough. Personally I wouldn't care if they showed full frontal nudity (as long as the male characters are included), but that's just my personal view.


Are you serious? They actually did that? Good lord give me a break lol

 
Yes they did. It was hilarious and mortifying at the same time.

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AstraDrakkar wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

 Wearing underwear in scenes that should obviously have been in the nude is even worse. The worst instance of this is the shower scene in ME3. I actually said "WTF"when I saw it. I think creative camera angles or lighting to hide the naughty bits is quite enough. Personally I wouldn't care if they showed full frontal nudity (as long as the male characters are included), but that's just my personal view.


Are you serious? They actually did that? Good lord give me a break lol

 
Yes they did. It was hilarious and mortifying at the same time.


So either they were totally scared to show nudity or the people that work at BioWare are unltra conservative and are related to Ned Flanders.  Either way,,,,,,way way too silly! 

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You should look it up on YouTube. You will laugh yer **** off.

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bioware does top my /faceplam an LOL moments for in game scenes :)

got to luv em for it tbh