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[GodWood]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...
it has to do with religion

It actually has to do with titillation and hedonism.

No it's religion.

Sexual prudery and shame of the human body has it's cultural foundations in the dogma of the Abrahamic religions.

[Ieldra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
My issue is not with nudity per se, but with plausibility.

If it is plausible for a scene to have the characters unclothed, I hate it if they make them wear underwear just to avoid offending the f*cking fundamentalists. If you don't want nudity, then be honest about it and don't show scenes were it would be a necessity to be believable, and if you do want the scenes, then show them without censoring.

I love the mood of the ME1 romance scenes, but then came Faux News and since then they're sh*tting their pants at EA at the thought of a repeat. Cowards.

Sorry for the crude language, but this really sends me up the wall.

So the fact that David has said repeatedly that they don't do nudity because they don't want to doesn't matter to you? You don't believe him?

If a scene calls for nudity of some kind and characters wear stuff nonetheless for no better reason than the developers want to avoid nudity, then I have a problem with it. I don't care about reasons, only about the result. Use shadows and camera angles to avoid showing stuff you don't want to show, that's ok with me, but don't keep characters implausibly clothed when they shouldn't be.

It's the flip side of "don't make women go into combat in a chainmail bikini." Make them dress - or undress - for the occasion. Screw artistic license, screw censorship. I want my fictional worlds to be somewhat believable.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 juillet 2013 - 10:04 .

[EdgeSanity]

This preoccupation with sex may be indirectly the fault of religion in that religion's restriction of it has resulted in a backlash. That doesn't make the resultant obsession the reasonable position.

Why would someone vehemently argue for the inclusion of sex in a setting in which it is totally uncalled for?  I don't see anyone clamoring for multiple scenes in which your character is eating his breakfast, using the toilet, or trimming his nails, so the "it's a natural part of life" argument holds very little water.  It's a natural part of life that has nothing at all to do RPG gaming.

Modifié par EdgeSanity, 22 juillet 2013 - 12:39 .

[Degs29]

EdgeSanity wrote...

This obsession with sex may be indirectly the fault of religion in that religion's restriction of it has resulted in a backlash. That doesn't make the resultant obsession the reasonable position.

Wanting to overcome religious censorship is not the reasonable position?

[EdgeSanity]

Degs29 wrote...

EdgeSanity wrote...

This obsession with sex may be indirectly the fault of religion in that religion's restriction of it has resulted in a backlash. That doesn't make the resultant obsession the reasonable position.

Wanting to overcome religious censorship is not the reasonable position?

You've made my entire point right here.  You've revealed that your agenda is some kind of overall anti-religious quest... it has nothing at all do with this game in particular.  I'd prefer to keep politics out of at least one thing in the world, and gaming is a pretty good candidate.

[xkg]

I don't care about politics neither do I care about religion. So my reason for asking this question wasn't to bash anyones religion nor to stir any kind of political discussion.

I asked about people's personal feelings about this serious issue.

Why is violence "more acceptable" than sex.
And I doubt that your religion whatever it is, teached you that the former is lesser evil than the latter.

Its not directed at anyone specifically, only at those who thinks this way.


ps. If you keep talking about religion and politicis its going to get soooo

Modifié par xkg, 22 juillet 2013 - 01:08 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

GodWood wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Kalas Magnus wrote...
it has to do with religion

It actually has to do with titillation and hedonism.

No it's religion.

Sexual prudery and shame of the human body has it's cultural foundations in the dogma of the Abrahamic religions.

Nope.

Back in the Renaissance era we had religious artists like Michelangelo and Raphael painting people in the nude. This "nudity can't be in media" is a recent cultural thing and releated to the far-westeners. The Bible-Belt only exists in America for a reason. The U.S.A has stupid values.

To say shame of the human body has foundations in the "dogma of Abrahamic religions" is to ignore all the verses in The Bible or need I mention John 21:7 where Simon Peter is naked for work and no one gives a damn about it. Not to mention Baptism was done in the nude.

Or do I really need to point out the European/Eastern developers again who don't have any quarrels displaying nudity in their games while Americans do?

People are against public nudity because not everyone sees a nude woman as a work of art. Most men would get excited and most men don't want to see another geezer naked either. This is why nudity in public is outlawed. It's not really a religious thing.

Even in the so-called atheist countries the view is the same so your argument gets thrown out of the window.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 22 juillet 2013 - 01:47 .

[Iakus]

And now it degenerates into a religion-bashing thread.

the cycle always continues...

[ames4u]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

But, It's nice to dream isn't it. 

It's just as dumb as,
Naked boobs on huge billboard over a crowded street? Safe.
Woman breastfeeding in public? OBSCENE.

^ THIS. So much this! 
It is completely retarded how things like flashing a ****** on a tv programme,
film or advertisment is perfectly acceptable, but as soon as a bra covered
jagged polygon shows up in a game, WHOA there Nelly! Stop the presses! 
They are perverting our poor 16+year old childrens lives! Even though they're
probably watching more pron than the pron stars making them!

:innocent: I'd have to agree with others when they say that what was done with Liara
in ME1 was the best way to approach a love scene. Titilation is better than showing
the whole shebang. It's tasteful and does not insult the audience with family cut-away
gags.

EDIT: 

People for the love of all that's fluffy, keep religion and politics out of the damn thread!
There can be no sane discussion when you start baiting the religious nutjobs!

Modifié par ames4u, 22 juillet 2013 - 02:41 .

[Ridwan]

ames4u wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

But, It's nice to dream isn't it. 

It's just as dumb as,
Naked boobs on huge billboard over a crowded street? Safe.
Woman breastfeeding in public? OBSCENE.

^ THIS. So much this! 
It is completely retarded how things like flashing a ****** on a tv programme,
film or advertisment is perfectly acceptable, but as soon as a bra covered
jagged polygon shows up in a game, WHOA there Nelly! Stop the presses! 
They are perverting our poor 16+year old childrens lives! Even though they're
probably watching more pron than the pron stars making them!

:innocent: I'd have to agree with others when they say that what was done with Liara
in ME1 was the best way to approach a love scene. Titilation is better than showing
the whole shebang. It's tasteful and does not insult the audience with family cut-away
gags.

EDIT: 

People for the love of all that's fluffy, keep religion and politics out of the damn thread!
There can be no sane discussion when you start baiting the religious nutjobs!

Like you're doing now?

[Degs29]

EdgeSanity wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

EdgeSanity wrote...

This obsession with sex may be indirectly the fault of religion in that religion's restriction of it has resulted in a backlash. That doesn't make the resultant obsession the reasonable position.

Wanting to overcome religious censorship is not the reasonable position?

You've made my entire point right here.  You've revealed that your agenda is some kind of overall anti-religious quest... it has nothing at all do with this game in particular.  I'd prefer to keep politics out of at least one thing in the world, and gaming is a pretty good candidate.

Yes, I happen to believe censorship (if any) shouldn't be based on religious ideals, considering how varied our beliefs are.  I'm not anti-religion.  I'm anti-imposing religion.  And you're right, I WOULD prefer to keep politics out of gaming...which is what censorship is.

Modifié par Degs29, 22 juillet 2013 - 03:20 .

[Angrywolves]

Yes the thread might get locked if it ventures too far into the abstract.
Better to just say should DAI have nudity, to what degree, why or why not and offer justifications /make rational arguments.

[Monica83]

bob_20000 wrote...

Tarek wrote...

as i play witcher 2 more and more i say full nudity with those sexy scenes.... wow those guys can seriously make some nice sex scenes

wow wowowowowow

learn from them Bioware learn... hurry hurry

too bad their are no m/m action :<

It's posts like these that make me embarrassed to be a Witcher fan sometimes.

And why?

You think is sick having some realism in M rated game? Seeing sex scenes and naked body?

If i see a woman that make shower with bra and panties i think she is crazy... Or she hate herself...


Being prude is a mental disturb..

To me is more sick who complain about nudity and happily play games like dead space 2 after... That show gore arms and body rip away....

People...

Sex is natural... Our body is what keep us alive.. Is how we are maded and should be not shame on this.. Who think different to me is mental disturbed....

Modifié par Monica83, 22 juillet 2013 - 07:00 .

[Monica83]

EntropicAngel wrote...

GodWood wrote...

No it's religion.

Sexual prudery and shame of the human body has it's cultural foundations in the dogma of the Abrahamic religions.

For some, perhaps. Not for all.

Sex scenes are largely titillation. I've pointed out before that I had little problem with Adda's sex scene in TW1 because it wasn't just a sex scene--it gave us insight into her character. It gave us an ominous look at the vibrating necklace. THAT wasn't titillation.

Bioware sex scenes, and in fact most of them (including most in The Witcher games) tend to be about titillation, not about character or story development. I have a problem with that.

I don't agree with you... The witcher sex scenes are very in character and believable and this is the only requirement for tasty sex nudity scenes....

The problem is when sex or nudity are handled like in god of war scenes.... They are just there whitout any particular reason.. and this is wrong

[CronoDragoon]

Monica83 wrote...

I don't agree with you... The witcher sex scenes are very in character and believable and this is the only requirement for tasty sex nudity scenes....

The problem is when sex or nudity are handled like in god of war scenes.... They are just there whitout any particular reason.. and this is wrong

The Witcher 2 sex scenes are not tasteful. They are more similar to God of War than Mass Effect.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 22 juillet 2013 - 08:27 .

[Monica83]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

I don't agree with you... The witcher sex scenes are very in character and believable and this is the only requirement for tasty sex nudity scenes....

The problem is when sex or nudity are handled like in god of war scenes.... They are just there whitout any particular reason.. and this is wrong

The Witcher 2 sex scenes are not tasteful. They are more similar to God of War than Mass Effect.

No and why?... Because they show naked body?.. Because they show actually mature scenes?...The elven bath scene was absolutely beautifull..

Do you prefear see people glued each other with clothes on and see in the after scenes the elf you slept in with a croset out of nowhere

Please...

I am more more offended by oversexualizzation than displayed nudity and sex scenes... Yes because people complain when they see a naked body or a sex scene.. OMG the scandal....
But very few complain when a character fight in panties long boot and a corset.. With unbelievable huge breasts pressed on it...

Yes i think sex scenes and nudity are handled very well in the witcher 2 and in a tasteful manner...

God of war scenes are just no relevant and happen for no reason at all...

Witcher 2 scene appear during romance or if geralt go at an hooker... Perfectly plausible expecially in a well handled adult medieval setting...

If with no tastefull you mean: Because they show almost explicit act and naked body....

Then i am sorry for you but i don't see nothing bad about it... and should be not feeling you bad see a scene like this

Modifié par Monica83, 22 juillet 2013 - 08:35 .

[EdgeSanity]

Demanding sex or nudity in the game when you don't even know what the context will be is odd. You have one guy admitting he just wants to see it in the game to offend Christians. That's really not a valid reason to put something in a game.

WHY do you want it in the game? What will it add to the game? How do you know it will add anything if you don't even know the context in which it will be used?

If I wrote a post demanding a scene in which my character is using the toilet, I would fully expect to bear the burden of proof as to why it should happen. You can't scream censorship because someone doesn't want to put something extraneous in the game just to satisfy your hatred of some group or your desire to be titillated.

Modifié par EdgeSanity, 22 juillet 2013 - 08:36 .

[nomoredruggs]

I personally prefer characters being nude rather than with their silly undies on in the romance scenes, but not necessarily showing any naughty bits. Like in ME1 for example.

As many previous posters have said, creative camera angles can go a long way to both keep the feel of the scene and avoid offense.

[Monica83]

EdgeSanity wrote...

Demanding sex or nudity in the game when you don't even know what the context will be is odd. You have one guy admitting he just wants to see it in the game to offend Christians. That's really not a valid reason to put something in a game.

WHY do you want it in the game? What will it add to the game? How do you know it will add anything if you don't even know the context in which it will be used?

If I wrote a post demanding a scene where my character is using the toilet, I would fully expect to bear the burden of proof as to why it should happen. You can't scream censorship because someone doesn't want to put something extraneous in the game just to satisfy your hatred of some group or your desire to be titillated.

And that is a reasonable post im very pleased to answer...

A single word... Immersion... If the romance provide a sex scene and i see naked body in the shadow and fade black its ok... If in a romance i see forced censorhip or out of context material (like the corset of merryl in dragon age 2) it look just silly and stupid broking my immersion...

Someone mentioned the example of the shower with undies... Another Ridicolus thing that kill the immersion..

But if a story if a moment require to show those contents is tasteful show those contents.. or just don't put those content instead adding silly stuff to censor it...

This is a mature game... It should not be a problem if this content is present...

What i don't understand is why is a scandal see a naked body or a sex scenes (and noone in witcher 2 are so explicit to be called porn) but see people eviscerated bleeding ding is more accepted...

[Osena109]

 Its 2013 people kids see wrose on the internet pixelated boobs are not gonna hurt them any  and dragon age is high fantasy the last time i checked we have stright/Gay/bisexaul characters am not sure throwing in few pixelated boobs/genitalia will push the envalope any more

[Ziggeh]

Monica83 wrote...

No and why?... Because they show naked body?.. Because they show actually mature scenes?...The elven bath scene was absolutely beautifull..

I don't even.

Sex in The Witcher is laugh out loud funny. It's so hilariously gratuitous, as it's screams "mature" at you with all the maturity of a horny, foul mouthed thirteen year old.