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[Thomas Andresen]

Ziggeh wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

No and why?... Because they show naked body?.. Because they show actually mature scenes?...The elven bath scene was absolutely beautifull..

I don't even.

Sex in The Witcher is laugh out loud funny. It's so hilariously gratuitous, as it's screams "mature" at you with all the maturity of a horny, foul mouthed thirteen year old.

This. Proclaiming The Witcher games as "poster boys" for mature themes is wrong-headed. They may be exploring mature themes, but they have a glaringly juvenile approach to them. And I'm not just talking about sex and nudity here.

[daaaav]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

No and why?... Because they show naked body?.. Because they show actually mature scenes?...The elven bath scene was absolutely beautifull..

I don't even.

Sex in The Witcher is laugh out loud funny. It's so hilariously gratuitous, as it's screams "mature" at you with all the maturity of a horny, foul mouthed thirteen year old.

This. Proclaiming The Witcher games as "poster boys" for mature themes is wrong-headed. They may be exploring mature themes, but they have a glaringly juvenile approach to them. And I'm not just talking about sex and nudity here.

For Petes sake.. it wasn't that bad. Arguably some of the content was a little gratuitous but the scene itself was entirely thematic. People have sex. Sometimes whilst bathing. Usually without clothes on. It's okay!

[brushyourteeth]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

No and why?... Because they show naked body?.. Because they show actually mature scenes?...The elven bath scene was absolutely beautifull..

I don't even.

Sex in The Witcher is laugh out loud funny. It's so hilariously gratuitous, as it's screams "mature" at you with all the maturity of a horny, foul mouthed thirteen year old.

This. Proclaiming The Witcher games as "poster boys" for mature themes is wrong-headed. They may be exploring mature themes, but they have a glaringly juvenile approach to them. And I'm not just talking about sex and nudity here.

[Thomas Andresen]

daaaav wrote...

For Petes sake.. it wasn't that bad. Arguably some of the content was a little gratuitous but the scene itself was entirely thematic. People have sex. Sometimes whilst bathing. Usually without clothes on. It's okay!

Your point?

I couldn't play more than an hour or two into the first game. The second game didn't fare much better. They just felt ...ugh. This feeling had little to nothing to do with nudity, however, as the only scene containing nudity in what I'd experienced of either game was at the beginning of 2.

I think one of the easiest examples of what makes the series, and especially the 2nd game, juvenile is listening the the king's speeches during the opening chapter. There's nothing mature about spouting profanities in every single sentence. Granted, not everyone does that, but it's pretty damned close.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 23 juillet 2013 - 01:22 .

[daaaav]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

daaaav wrote...

For Petes sake.. it wasn't that bad. Arguably some of the content was a little gratuitous but the scene itself was entirely thematic. People have sex. Sometimes whilst bathing. Usually without clothes on. It's okay!

Your point?

I couldn't play more than an hour or two into the first game. The second game didn't fare much better. They just felt ...ugh. This feeling had little to nothing to do with nudity, however, as the only scene containing nudity in what I'd experienced of either game was at the beginning of 2.

I think one of the easiest examples of what makes the series, and especially the 2nd game, juvenile is listening the the king's speeches during the opening chapter. There's nothing mature about spouting profanities in every single sentence. Granted, not everyone does that, but it's pretty damned close.

Oh please. You may have good reasons for not liking the witcher games but surely they encompass more than some skin and some swear words... but if that isn't the case, then my point would be that hysterics over these things are entirely uncessessary. 

[KotorEffect3]

I don't see the point to it, naked characters do nothing for the story.

[Ravensword]

Ah, I see that this thread is still going.

[HiddenInWar]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Only if there is an equal amount of penis.

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 23 juillet 2013 - 01:53 .

[Ghost]

Monica83 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

I don't agree with you... The witcher sex scenes are very in character and believable and this is the only requirement for tasty sex nudity scenes....

The problem is when sex or nudity are handled like in god of war scenes.... They are just there whitout any particular reason.. and this is wrong

The Witcher 2 sex scenes are not tasteful. They are more similar to God of War than Mass Effect.

No and why?... Because they show naked body?.. Because they show actually mature scenes?...The elven bath scene was absolutely beautifull..

Do you prefear see people glued each other with clothes on and see in the after scenes the elf you slept in with a croset out of nowhere

Please...

I am more more offended by oversexualizzation than displayed nudity and sex scenes... Yes because people complain when they see a naked body or a sex scene.. OMG the scandal....
But very few complain when a character fight in panties long boot and a corset.. With unbelievable huge breasts pressed on it...

Yes i think sex scenes and nudity are handled very well in the witcher 2 and in a tasteful manner...

God of war scenes are just no relevant and happen for no reason at all...

Witcher 2 scene appear during romance or if geralt go at an hooker... Perfectly plausible expecially in a well handled adult medieval setting...

If with no tastefull you mean: Because they show almost explicit act and naked body....

Then i am sorry for you but i don't see nothing bad about it... and should be not feeling you bad see a scene like this

TW2 has this problem too. Geralt usually has pants on when a hooker/Triss is not wearing anything. Nudity is not handled well. I do agree that it is more comparable to God of War than ME.

[GodWood]

Elton John is dead wrote...
Nope.

Back in the Renaissance era we had religious artists like Michelangelo and Raphael painting people in the nude.

Yup.

This "nudity can't be in media" is a recent cultural thing and releated to the far-westeners. The Bible-Belt only exists in America for a reason. The U.S.A has stupid values.

And these stupid values come from the stupid puritans who settled there.

Ergo it has its roots in religion and in the modern western world it is a by product of religion. It's not that hard.

Even in the so-called atheist countries the view is the same so your argument gets thrown out of the window.

And what atheist countries would these be?

[Magdalena11]

If Bioware could do great sex scenes, I'd say include them. They can't for a variety of reasons. Leave them out and fade to black. I have enough imagination to figure out what happens afterwards.

[Thomas Andresen]

daaaav wrote...

Oh please. You may have good reasons for not liking the witcher games but surely they encompass more than some skin and some swear words...

Eh? I said as much, didn't I?

daaaav wrote...

but if that isn't the case, then my point would be that hysterics over these things are entirely uncessessary. 

My point is that those games aren't as mature as people like to claim they are. And my point is that, when people hold up the Witcher games as shining examples of what BioWare's games should aspire to in terms of maturity, it says a lot about their own maturity. Unless they are explicitly asking for less maturity.

Also, hysteria is defined as "Behavior exhibiting excessive or uncontrollable emotion, such as fear or panic." What emotion is it you think I am exhibiting in excess here?

[daaaav]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Eh? I said as much, didn't I?


My point is that those games aren't as mature as people like to claim they are. And my point is that, when people hold up the Witcher games as shining examples of what BioWare's games should aspire to in terms of maturity, it says a lot about their own maturity. Unless they are explicitly asking for less maturity.

Also, hysteria is defined as "Behavior exhibiting excessive or uncontrollable emotion, such as fear or panic." What emotion is it you think I am exhibiting in excess here?

Why aren't they as mature as people claim they are? I certainly don't disagree on that point, but if you are attributing it to nothing more than sex and swearing then yes. That is an irrational and excessive reaction to both of those things.

Modifié par daaaav, 23 juillet 2013 - 03:18 .

[CronoDragoon]

simfamSP wrote...
 Not with porn, but with a good cutscene.

But porn is what the majority of TW2 sex scenes are. There's no point to them other than screwing, with the only real exceptions being the Triss scenes (with the second half of the bath scene being comedic more than romantic). What is the point of animating a scene where Geralt screws a half-goat thing? Or some random elven chick who wants to thank Geralt with her vagina? Or all the prostitute scenes? Why don't fade to blacks suffice in scenes where there's nothing romantic, artistic, or intimate going on? Nevermind that all these scenes get animated with in-game models while important backstory is relegated to motion comics.

This isn't a matter of being offended by naked bodies. I wasn't. They were very attractive digital ladies. But there's no real reason for those scenes other than seeing boobs.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 23 juillet 2013 - 03:37 .

[Thomas Andresen]

daaaav wrote...

Why aren't they as mature as people claim they are? I certainly don't disagree on that point, but if you are attributing it to nothing more than sex and swearing then yes. That is an irrational and excessive reaction to both of those things.

I've used (bad) language as an example because that's the one that's easiest for me to explain. I haven't bothered to sit down and take the time to really figure out everything that bothered me with those games, but the gratuitous use of profane language certainly is among them.

As a point of reference, I really like how profanities were handled in the Wheel of Time series. Robert Jordan was creative with the profanities in his books, and his characters reacted to the profanities. He didn't just put the words in the sentences just for the sake of using those words. And that is what makes the use of bad language in TW2 gratuitous.

And gratuitous use of profanities is juvenile.

[Angrywolves]

No fade to black please.
I hate fade to black.
Creative
Camera angle work if we can't have any more than that.
But would prefer dropping romance scenes altogether than to have empty fade to black scenes.

[XGrlGamerX]

IMO - if it adds character development to the characters, than why not?

I mean, "nudity" can say a lot about a character. In DAO it was apparent that Morrigan flaunted her nudity (in what she wore, and how easy she was to bed), but when Leliana, or Alistar got "nude" it was a sign of trust and love for your character.

Of course, when games just throw it in there to appease (mostly) the male audience I just smh, but I think it can add a level of tenderness to the game when it comes to getting to know your characters.

Modifié par XGrlGamerX, 23 juillet 2013 - 04:32 .

[Bogrot]

My opinion is that nudity should be present, but it should be presented a la Mass Effect. I think it would be tasteless to show genital organs, for example. Imagine such a scene with a NPC like Magister Maevaris Tilani who might appear in future games/books.
On the other hand, DAO lovemaking scenes were quite odd since the undergarments looked horrific.

[Face of Evil]

Let's continue using nudity as we have in previous Dragon Age games: to disgust and horrify.

I want to see some shriveled, blackened darkspawn genitals, Bioware. Add some rotting naked corpses while you're at it.

[XGrlGamerX]

Face of Evil wrote...

Let's continue using nudity as we have in previous Dragon Age games: to disgust and horrify.

I want to see some shriveled, blackened darkspawn genitals, Bioware. Add some rotting naked corpses while you're at it.

I mean, who isn't turned on by a brood mother....? >.> 

[XGrlGamerX]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

XGrlGamerX wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

Let's continue using nudity as we have in previous Dragon Age games: to disgust and horrify.

I want to see some shriveled, blackened darkspawn genitals, Bioware. Add some rotting naked corpses while you're at it.

I mean, who isn't turned on by a brood mother....? >.> 

Weirdos, that's who.

https://encrypted-tb...DimZOeipCjM_6Ew

:wub:

OHHHH MY... I DO DECLARE - I need a cold showa! haha 

[Face of Evil]

Yes! Bring back those disgusting broodmothers! I miss them.

[Blackrising]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

XGrlGamerX wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

Let's continue using nudity as we have in previous Dragon Age games: to disgust and horrify.

I want to see some shriveled, blackened darkspawn genitals, Bioware. Add some rotting naked corpses while you're at it.

I mean, who isn't turned on by a brood mother....? >.> 

Weirdos, that's who.

https://encrypted-tb...DimZOeipCjM_6Ew

:wub:

Oh beloved, how I long for thine shriveled skin and wobbling flesh.