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[Am1vf]

@Darth Brotarian
Hey, I'm heterosexual male (with a decent beard too), and I accept that TW2 is targeted to a heterosexual male audience, although it's arguable that there is way too much of that. My concern is with the halt in character development of my favorite LI in the game.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Twas a joke, like saying "bacon, the ultimate diet supplement" or "Beer, the ultimate hangover cure"

[Am1vf]

It's okay, I can still answer to it, no?

;P

[Blackrising]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Well then let me retract my statement, and say:

From your description Bioware romances sound 10x more like dating sims than like visual novels.

The point of dating sims is the stat raising, which is not present in that form in Bioware games.

And Bioware romances do focus on story and choices, except that they're interwoven with the friendship arc. Merrill's quest to fix the mirror is a story. It is your choice whether to help her or not. It is your choice whether your relationship with them is friendly or antagonistic.
It's your choice whether to do the Dark Ritual or not.
It's your choice whether to stab Anders or not.
I can imagine that Bioware romances seem pretty shallow when you see them as seperate from the friendship conversations. As for me, I tend to see them as one unit in the specific playthrough.

The romances are written to fit a particular pattern, yes, but as you seem to criticise that, I'd like to know how you'd do it differently? I personally can't think of a way to incorporate romance without that pattern. (And no, 'Cut romances from the game' is not a valid answer.)

Modifié par Blackrising, 24 juillet 2013 - 01:11 .

[Bionuts]

Filament wrote...

Besides, if BioWare games were dating sims, Bethany would definitely have been romanceable. I know how those dirty eroges work.

Lol, I really thought Bioware was going to do this.

[Blackrising]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

The point of dating sims is the stat raising, which is not present in that form in Bioware games.

And Bioware romances do focus on story and choices, except that they're interwoven with the friendship arc. Merrill's quest to fix the mirror is a story. It is your choice whether to help her or not. It is your choice whether your relationship with them is friendly or antagonistic.
It's your choice whether to do the Dark Ritual or not.
It's your choice whether to stab Anders or not.
I can imagine that Bioware romances seem pretty shallow when you see them as seperate from the friendship conversations. As for me, I tend to see them as one unit in the specific playthrough.

The romances are written to fit a particular pattern, yes, but as you seem to criticise that, I'd like to know how you'd do it differently? I personally can't think of a way to incorporate romance without that pattern. (And no, 'Cut romances from the game' is not a valid answer.)

The "stat," at least in DA:O, was the approval. And ME's version of approval is hidden from the player.

The things you're talking about have nothing to do with the romance. They're about the character. If they're part of that character's arc without romance, it isn't a romance "story."

But approval and stat raising is not exactly the same.
In dating sims, you raise for example your sports skill to appeal to that one chick in your tennis club.
You raise your art skill to appeal to that other chick in your art class.
You do that by participating in specific activities.
Basically, it's a stat that boosts approval.

In a Bioware game, you make certain choices to appeal to a certain character, which is closer to the visual novel approach.



It is a romance story for me. Romance in general isn't only confined to conversations of that nature. Gaining their respect, becoming friends, having to make hard choices - that's all part of the romance. Let's say you only played DA:O once and romanced Morrigan in that playthrough. Her whole character arc, from the first time you meet her to when she leaves you, is a romance story. You never experienced the friendship side of things. You don't know that most conversations can be had on a friendship path as well and so it doesn't matter.

[9TailsFox]

Filament wrote...

I'm pretty sure dating sims aren't auto-win as such, and it doesn't look like Blackrising's description indicates that they are.

They aren't I was stabed by one of the girls and die not instantly  I thought i survive  game over get worst ending still was good game

[Monica83]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Witcher 2, the greatest game for female rights activist.

I don't know i am a female and i feel myself not offended by the witcher 2 contents...

I feel way more offended when i see a pirate woman with huge breast pressed in a corset fighting with long boots and panties......

after all isn't a mistery in the witcher 2 the majority of women are victim of a male dominated society...But there is also another side... The sorceress have enough power and influence to even use kings like puppet...

[Wolfspawn]

Monica83 wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...

Tarek wrote...

as i play witcher 2 more and more i say full nudity with those sexy scenes.... wow those guys can seriously make some nice sex scenes

wow wowowowowow

learn from them Bioware learn... hurry hurry

too bad their are no m/m action :<

It's posts like these that make me embarrassed to be a Witcher fan sometimes.

And why?

You think is sick having some realism in M rated game? Seeing sex scenes and naked body?

If i see a woman that make shower with bra and panties i think she is crazy... Or she hate herself...


Being prude is a mental disturb..

To me is more sick who complain about nudity and happily play games like dead space 2 after... That show gore arms and body rip away....

People...

Sex is natural... Our body is what keep us alive.. Is how we are maded and should be not shame on this.. Who think different to me is mental disturbed....

Ah yes. I see my words were not specific enough. Allow me to express my opinion in a less vague manner.

In The Witcher 2, all except two scenes (the ones with Triss) appear to be there for simple titillation (one of my few problems with the game). I have no problem with titillation, sex, nudity, what have you. In fact, I am deeply saddened by much of humanity's shame over the subject. However, if I wanted to watch p'rnography, I WOULD F*CKING WATCH P'RNOGRAPHY. To be totally fair, these scenes never last longer than a minute and a half, but if you are going to put a sex scene in a movie, game, TV show, etc. that is not made to titillate the viewer, DON'T MAKE A SEX SCENE MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE. My embarrassment was that posts like these make people from the outside looking in not see The Witcher for what makes it great, but for one of the things CDProjekt RED needs to work on, and that is approaching sex and sexuality in a mature way in a game that is otherwise VERY mature. Not in a way that's pretty much them going, "Hey look, guys! BOOBIES!!!", while everybody else eats that sh*t up instead of calling them on it. When people actually look at this problem in a positive light, it can draw many away, make them think this game is another game that is only "mature" because it has boobs and swearing. Also, if we don't criticise them for it, CDProjekt RED won't fix this problem. Ideally, not only CDProjekt, but EVERYBODY, will approach sex NOT in a more tasteful way, but in a more MATURE way. And that is what pisses me off about that post. Not that they're just excited about something titillating.

[Monica83]

As i sayd the witcher is a setting where people punch eachother in the inn and also go with prostitute.. That is believable in a medieval gritty setting... Geralt go with prostitute that's a choice made up for player but is also understandable since geralt had always a weak point for women (even in the books) now in the game geralt is evolved not necessarly in a good manner..
Nudity in sex scene to me add immersion and contribute to make the world believable after all not always someone go in bed with a woman because love her..

I can agree with the "oh yeah breasts" comments that are a bit out of tone...and this is understandable but in rl happen to me to see a guy pass and tell to my friend... Wow that guy have a souch wonderful *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep* ^-^

In TV shows... i seen worse believe me....

I can understand your point of wiew and i for sue apology if i maded you upset for some manner.. You have to realize i am not native english so sometime i can have problem to understanding things or i can misjudge a tone in a phrase...

I love the witcher for the envirovment the beautyfull dark world that have... And also for character... Sex is not required for me... But i think add immersion and also pesonality to the setting...

My problem is while i have no problem to see a full nudity sex scene.. i have a problem see a sex scene handled like a book for kids... with unnecessary censorship... that's all

[daaaav]

bob_20000 wrote...


Ah yes. I see my words were not specific enough. Allow me to express my opinion in a less vague manner.

In The Witcher 2, all except two scenes (the ones with Triss) appear to be there for simple titillation (one of my few problems with the game). I have no problem with titillation, sex, nudity, what have you. In fact, I am deeply saddened by much of humanity's shame over the subject. However, if I wanted to watch p'rnography, I WOULD F*CKING WATCH P'RNOGRAPHY. To be totally fair, these scenes never last longer than a minute and a half, but if you are going to put a sex scene in a movie, game, TV show, etc. that is not made to titillate the viewer, DON'T MAKE A SEX SCENE MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE. My embarrassment was that posts like these make people from the outside looking in not see The Witcher for what makes it great, but for one of the things CDProjekt RED needs to work on, and that is approaching sex and sexuality in a mature way in a game that is otherwise VERY mature. Not in a way that's pretty much them going, "Hey look, guys! BOOBIES!!!", while everybody else eats that sh*t up instead of calling them on it. When people actually look at this problem in a positive light, it can draw many away, make them think this game is another game that is only "mature" because it has boobs and swearing. Also, if we don't criticise them for it, CDProjekt RED won't fix this problem. Ideally, not only CDProjekt, but EVERYBODY, will approach sex NOT in a more tasteful way, but in a more MATURE way. And that is what pisses me off about that post. Not that they're just excited about something titillating.

Is some comic relief appropriate for the game? Or should I be forced to go to youtube for some stand up if I want my funny bone tickled? And the game should have half assed music because I can go to the symphony or a concert if I want a trancendent aural experience.

I don't understand why people use this word "titillate" so often. Folk can get their jimmies off in so many ways with gaming (violence, megolomania, control, wealth, to hold life and death in ones hand) so I don't see why admiration of the human form is somehow different.

Yes. I enjoy the (in my case) female form whilst appreciating art, other people, movies, books, games, posters, magazines, tv shows, and everything else. Does it tittilate me? A little I guess, but that doesn't inherantly blind me to the other facets of whatever else is being conveyed in terms of story telling and character developement.

I'm honestly not calling for rampant full frontal nudity and just want Bioware to be less bone headed about using it when it makes sense (and occaisionally when it doesn't). Creative camera work, shadows, I don't care. Just drop the damn shower clothes and desire demon nipple tassles...

Why the hell would desire demons wear clothes anyway?

[The Hierophant]

 Why the hell would desire demons wear clothes anyway?

They're probably scared of being arrested for indecent exposure.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 24 juillet 2013 - 06:03 .

[Bfler]

Why should they change The Witcher? The games are the sequels of the books and there are also such scenes, e.g. The Last Wish begins with the description of how Geralt has sex with a woman. 

And in Eastern European countries, e.g. Poland, the origin of CDPR, people in general don't have a problem with nudity or sex. There are even public shows, where women let a dozen men **** them to get pregnant (no joke!)

Modifié par Bfler, 24 juillet 2013 - 07:06 .

[wwwwowwww]

BoBear wrote...

Well should there? Personally I think the previous games did fine without nudity but I wouldn't not buy the game if it had it in there. Do you think Bioware should take the M rating this game is most likely going to have all the way? Or should they again just leave it to our imaginations?

Honestly I don't care, however I would say it would be nice for them to have downloadable mods for x-box's and stuff like people do for the PC. Let people pick and choose and tailor things to their liking making it a more enjoyable experience for all. 

[IC-07]

People still talking about the Witcher? I thought this is about Dragon Age.

Modifié par IC-07, 24 juillet 2013 - 09:32 .