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Should there be nudity, or no? (The thread that just won't die)


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Monica83 wrote...

Maybe offended was not the right word.... But for sure was a lot immersion breaking.....Was unnecessary and utterly stupid....


Maybe it offended your intelligence?

If so, you're not the only one ;)

43 pages in this thread and still going strong. My, my, the nudity issue touches a nerve apparently <_<

For titillation's sake, here's a pic that says a lot...:whistle:

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To quote Sapkowski, 'cherchez la femme'.

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thanks for helping me to express myself... english is not my native language

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Monica83 wrote...

Maybe offended was not the right word.... But for sure was a lot immersion breaking.....Was unnecessary and utterly stupid....


Maybe it's silly, but no more than the attitude characters like Varric show during the slaughters that take place. Or the shape of the swords, heavy armored backflippinfg templar ninjas, ...

Personally I use the excuse that Varric is exaggerating to deal with all the sillines. The way I see it they didn't actually fight as much as Varric says to Cassandra. Not very reasonable, I know, but it gets me through a bunch of the issues with the game.

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Maybe it's silly, but no more than the attitude characters like Varric show during the slaughters that take place. Or the shape of the swords, heavy armored backflippinfg templar ninjas, ...

Personally I use the excuse that Varric is exaggerating to deal with all the sillines. The way I see it they didn't actually fight as much as Varric says to Cassandra. Not very reasonable, I know, but it gets me through a bunch of the issues with the game.


That actually has some credibility if you think about it--twice in the game Varric can't control himself and paints things wildly out-ofperspective and Cassandra calls him on his BS. He could be doing it the whole time, more subtly.

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He did say he would tell the dragonlings in the Bone Pit were three times bigger, so I assume they were 1/3 of the size we see and less in number XD Works for me.

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Indeed.... i mentioned isabella but there are a lot of similiar things that annoy me.... but we are going out topic

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Monica83 wrote...

Sorry but in what the hooker cinthya and succubus scene was not tastefull?

The hookers one: Well they are hooker what do you explect sweer romantic lovemaking?

The succubus: She is a succubus al she care is drain energy from sexual act..

Cinthya and Filippa: Cinthya was using seduction with Filippa because worked as a spy.. And Filippa as a character have a kinky attitude is part of her character...

She is a dominant woman...

All sex scenes in your opinion must be sweet sensual lovemaking?....

I say no... I respect your opinion but sex is not alway a sweet sensual love making......


Fully agreed.  There was only one instance where a scene I saw seemed unreasonable in TW2.

As for Isabella, I think they were just going for that image of a female pirate from the 17th century.  Strong-willed and sexualized.  Of course, that's only how they've been depicted in Hollywood, so if that was already historically inaccurate....

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Am1_vf wrote...

Maybe it's silly, but no more than the attitude characters like Varric show during the slaughters that take place. Or the shape of the swords, heavy armored backflippinfg templar ninjas, ...

Personally I use the excuse that Varric is exaggerating to deal with all the sillines. The way I see it they didn't actually fight as much as Varric says to Cassandra. Not very reasonable, I know, but it gets me through a bunch of the issues with the game.


That actually has some credibility if you think about it--twice in the game Varric can't control himself and paints things wildly out-ofperspective and Cassandra calls him on his BS. He could be doing it the whole time, more subtly.



Or as the storyteller he could just honestly want to pass on having to describe every squish and giggle to Cassandra.  Posted Image

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brushyourteeth, I would say that, as a story teller, he honestly wants it to be entertaining and he is uncappable of not making it over the top.

But Monica is right, we are getting off topic. Bouncing boobies was it? XD j/k

Modifié par Am1_vf, 25 juillet 2013 - 02:12 .


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Am1_vf wrote...

brushyourteeth, I would say that, as a story teller, he honestly wants it to be entertaining and he is uncappable of not making it over the top.

But Monica is right, we are getting off topic. Bouncing boobies was it? XD j/k



LOL, well yes -- I was sort of bringing it back on topic. Posted Image

Point being: maybe DAII had no nudity because Varric felt weird about telling Cassandra about Merrill's creamy white thighs. Posted Image

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Maybe about Merril (haven't completed a playthrough with that romance yet), but considering the kind of books he writes doesn't seem particularly bothered about juicy bits, maybe he does it in Cassandra's behalf.

Although it would be amusing if the scenes where in horrible metaphors, like you are with the LI and instead of a fade to black we see a bush with a sign that says "secret" or something, or the LI expolring the deep roads (I'm terrible at this, surelly there is some thread in the DA2 forums with a lot of this). And Cassandra is like wtf??

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Bwahaha -- maybe!

I don't think Varric would shy away from scandalous talk, but when it comes to his close friends...
Ribbing Aveline to make her uncomfortable is one thing. So is flirting with Isabela for lulz. But actually describing to Cassandra what happens behind closed doors between Hawke and his buddies seems like more than he'd be into to me (especially since even though she asked for "everything" -- "and then they probably had sex" seems like enough.)

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Degs29 wrote...

As for Isabella, I think they were just going for that image of a female pirate from the 17th century.  Strong-willed and sexualized.  Of course, that's only how they've been depicted in Hollywood, so if that was already historically inaccurate....


The classical Hollywood female pirate wears long pants, some kind of (white) blouse and either a belt or a scarf around the waist. 

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Bfler wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

As for Isabella, I think they were just going for that image of a female pirate from the 17th century.  Strong-willed and sexualized.  Of course, that's only how they've been depicted in Hollywood, so if that was already historically inaccurate....


The classical Hollywood female pirate wears long pants, some kind of (white) blouse and either a belt or a scarf around the waist. 


Pirate women Posted Image

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9TailsFox wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Degs29 wrote...

As for Isabella, I think they were just going for that image of a female pirate from the 17th century.  Strong-willed and sexualized.  Of course, that's only how they've been depicted in Hollywood, so if that was already historically inaccurate....


The classical Hollywood female pirate wears long pants, some kind of (white) blouse and either a belt or a scarf around the waist. 


Pirate women Posted Image


That's a historical illustration. The Hollywood stereotype is a bit different, more like Monkey Island's Elaine Marley Threepwood

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or Geena Davis in Cutthroat Island:

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Isabella's depantsification process is BioWare's unique addition to the mythos of female pirates, in the sense of taking a still vaguely recognisable Hollywoodesque pirate outfit and removing a key piece of clothing.
Then again, you should see Robert E. Howard's pirate queen Belit :lol: .
Illustrations showing her, erm, scantily dressed are actually overdressing her. In Howard's own words about the 'Queen of the Black Coast' when she first meets Conan: 'Her only garment was a broad silken girdle'.
Howard did not stop at mere depantsification...:D

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Bionuts wrote...

You could have an option in the settings to allow nudity or no. For those that don't want it, perhaps it fades to black. For those that think they can find something artistic (eating burgers can be artistic too then it shows everything (penis, vagina, cola, etc.).


They should just toggle the entire game and be done with it.

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They should just toggle the entire game and be done with it.


Why? We aren't playing the game for nudity. Why should someone who wants a romance in-game be forced to have a gratuitous, meaningless, hedonistic nude scene?

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First; just want to say I am all in favor of Bioware's innovative depansification feature and hope they continue to explore how this incredible new game mechanic can be utilized for more than just pirates... :-)

Second, and this is more serious, I have been dipping in and out of this thread so perhaps this has been covered and I missed it. But how much of the resistance to contextual nudity is due to the "Oh Honey, this isn't porn, honestly!" factor? I mean are people so resistant because they don't want their wife, husband, children, parent, significant other walk in and see them playing a game with "nudidity" and therefore get the wrong impression?

Personally, this was an issue for me, when my children were younger. Since they were still developing their values, I specifically did not install certain mods in certain games because I did not want to encourage an "objectivication" mindset. Now that they are all grown up, I have installed some mods - (armor ones) that might be considered risque, and certainly not lore friendly but fit my aesthetic of a fantasy game. This does earn me a "Eww Dad..." occasionally but their values are now firmly in place. And my wife, just says, "Hmm..." with one eye slightly raised, shakes her head and walks away muttering something I pretend not to hear.

While I think Game of Thrones could do with less nudity (because it is often used just to draw in viewers for the titillation factor), there are certain scenes, characters and plot points where it actually serves a legitimate purpose. DA:I could do the same. But I still don't watch Game of Thrones, even with my adult children... That makes me feel uncomfortable. Make of that what you will.

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You know, for the games rated M both Dragon Age and Mass Effect are very PG-13 in regards to sex. It's just laughable is some ways, especially sex in underwear, wtf would they even show that and not just go for the "fade to black" ?

I loooved the fact that sex scenes in ME3 show Liara naked [you don't get to see anything, but they make a point to show that she's not wearing anything], but no such luck with human women/men. Oh, no sir - sex in the underwear for you : ] : ] : ]

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CaptainBlackGold wrote...

First; just want to say I am all in favor of Bioware's innovative depansification feature and hope they continue to explore how this incredible new game mechanic can be utilized for more than just pirates... :-)

Second, and this is more serious, I have been dipping in and out of this thread so perhaps this has been covered and I missed it. But how much of the resistance to contextual nudity is due to the "Oh Honey, this isn't porn, honestly!" factor? I mean are people so resistant because they don't want their wife, husband, children, parent, significant other walk in and see them playing a game with "nudidity" and therefore get the wrong impression?

Personally, this was an issue for me, when my children were younger. Since they were still developing their values, I specifically did not install certain mods in certain games because I did not want to encourage an "objectivication" mindset. Now that they are all grown up, I have installed some mods - (armor ones) that might be considered risque, and certainly not lore friendly but fit my aesthetic of a fantasy game. This does earn me a "Eww Dad..." occasionally but their values are now firmly in place. And my wife, just says, "Hmm..." with one eye slightly raised, shakes her head and walks away muttering something I pretend not to hear.

While I think Game of Thrones could do with less nudity (because it is often used just to draw in viewers for the titillation factor), there are certain scenes, characters and plot points where it actually serves a legitimate purpose. DA:I could do the same. But I still don't watch Game of Thrones, even with my adult children... That makes me feel uncomfortable. Make of that what you will.




So much truth.

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I'm all for chest equality. Show us the ******!

Or you know, ME1 style is fine too.

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I will always love the ME1 romantic bedroom, music, lights and side boob scenes. Variations of this would work for me in their future games.

I'm looking for the atmosphere, the ambiance, the mood of the romance scenes, not so much the frontal nudity that can look awkward, but probably not as awkward as the underwear was.

Disliked the underwear in their other games because, it looked silly and if this is what they want to do, I'd rather just see them walk to the bedroom holding hands, laughing, or maybe a great kiss scene and close the door. Or if they want something different for each LI, do the pre warm ups differently and then fade away, but please no sex with the underwear ever again.

One reason i will play some games on the pc are the mods. I love my 360 but I also like the occasional nude mod.

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CaptainBlackGold wrote...

First; just want to say I am all in favor of Bioware's innovative depansification feature and hope they continue to explore how this incredible new game mechanic can be utilized for more than just pirates... :-)


Well, applying depantsification and similar innovations to, say, male characters might have unforeseen consequences...

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mopotter wrote...

I will always love the ME1 romantic bedroom, music, lights and side boob scenes. Variations of this would work for me in their future games.

I'm looking for the atmosphere, the ambiance, the mood of the romance scenes, not so much the frontal nudity that can look awkward, but probably not as awkward as the underwear was.

Disliked the underwear in their other games because, it looked silly and if this is what they want to do, I'd rather just see them walk to the bedroom holding hands, laughing, or maybe a great kiss scene and close the door. Or if they want something different for each LI, do the pre warm ups differently and then fade away, but please no sex with the underwear ever again.

One reason i will play some games on the pc are the mods. I love my 360 but I also like the occasional nude mod.


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Das Tentakel wrote...

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

First; just want to say I am all in favor of Bioware's innovative depansification feature and hope they continue to explore how this incredible new game mechanic can be utilized for more than just pirates... :-)


Well, applying depantsification and similar innovations to, say, male characters might have unforeseen consequences...

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The worst part is that some people desire such costumes on BSN. And they act quite serious. :mellow: