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[cjones91]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes. Gimme. I would so love it if their games started treating me like an adult again. Not that I really deserve to be called an adult. But still. Adult love scenes. Gimme.

Because nudity adds maturity. Yes.

Just like how bloody violence and gore adds maturity.

[Iakus]

cjones91 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes. Gimme. I would so love it if their games started treating me like an adult again. Not that I really deserve to be called an adult. But still. Adult love scenes. Gimme.

Because nudity adds maturity. Yes.

Just like how bloody violence and gore adds maturity.

I turn persistent gore off.  Does that make me immature?

Modifié par iakus, 01 août 2013 - 04:01 .

[Triforce Hermit]

If the game is rated mature, then it should be intended for mature audiences. I'm fine with or without nudity since I don't play for sexual scenes. Really, they already border on nudity and The Witcher franchise does fine with it, I'd say go ahead with the option for it to be turned off.

I don't care if little kids don't like it or parents have an outrage of if Fox News explodes. The game warns against it, if you disregard that, then its your fault. If your child says I want to go into the building with tinted windows thats sells dirty DVDs, then you say no. You don't let him in then complain when he doesn't like it and rage about it. You look stupid.

[cjones91]

iakus wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes. Gimme. I would so love it if their games started treating me like an adult again. Not that I really deserve to be called an adult. But still. Adult love scenes. Gimme.

Because nudity adds maturity. Yes.

Just like how bloody violence and gore adds maturity.

I turn persistent gore off.  Does that make me immature?

Not at all.Sometimes seeing all the blood and guts everywhere can be annoying.

[garrusfan1]

Triforce Hermit wrote...

If the game is rated mature, then it should be intended for mature audiences. I'm fine with or without nudity since I don't play for sexual scenes. Really, they already border on nudity and The Witcher franchise does fine with it, I'd say go ahead with the option for it to be turned off.

I don't care if little kids don't like it or parents have an outrage of if Fox News explodes. The game warns against it, if you disregard that, then its your fault. If your child says I want to go into the building with tinted windows thats sells dirty DVDs, then you say no. You don't let him in then complain when he doesn't like it and rage about it. You look stupid.

the fox news thing was a long time ago things have changed. also it is rated M if a kid plays it and is "tramatized" then it is his fault and whoever bought it for him since stores are only allowed to sell rated M games to people who are at least 18. it will even say why it is rated M so if whoever is buying the game spends the 10 seconds (at most) to look at the rating tag thing you could see it. also the witcher 2 came in with not a lot of outrage and that was a brutal game and it had people completely naked. also GTA is the most controversial games ever (literally they are in the guiness book of records for it) and they sell very well and in the end sales are what matter

[garrusfan1]

cjones91 wrote...

iakus wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes. Gimme. I would so love it if their games started treating me like an adult again. Not that I really deserve to be called an adult. But still. Adult love scenes. Gimme.

Because nudity adds maturity. Yes.

Just like how bloody violence and gore adds maturity.

I turn persistent gore off.  Does that make me immature?

Not at all.Sometimes seeing all the blood and guts everywhere can be annoying.

I never turn it off but I admit sometimes it is stupid.
warden:alistar lets kiss
alistar : we have darkspawn blood all over us and we are in the deep roads ah what the h***

[Sylvius the Mad]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Gaider has addressed that before, and said flat out that that is not why they're doing it. All that's left there is to believe or disbelieve him.

True, but David Gaider's comments during DAO's development suggested that the game did actually have more nudity in it, at some point, but then it wasn't in the game at release, so someone along the way elected to remove it.

Further, given BioWare's general assertion that clipping is bad, the animation on the Desire Demon was clearly designed with naked breasts in mind, and those odd gilded nipple covers were added later.  I also recall seeing a screenshot of the Desire Demon, before release, with her nude design intact.

Regardless of why the nudity was removed from DAO, it was removed.

[Sylvius the Mad]

MerinTB wrote...

My recent playthrough I had Wynne and Alistair with me at Ostagar.  And I had forgotten that I had that "true nudity" mod or whatever (sorry, the underwear is ridiculous - this playthrough my Warden didn't even romance anyone, so it really hadn't come up except a prisoner here and there.)

Seeing a naked Cailan hanging there was very uncomfortable.  It FELT more degrading to me.

So, from personal experience, I completely agree it was more powerful.

Exactly.  It's the same reason why I used mods to disable corpse decay.  If the corpses don't decay, and just pile up, it really drives home the human cost of all these fights to the death.

[MerinTB]

iakus wrote...
I turn persistent gore off.  Does that make me immature?

ditto

[MerinTB]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Exactly.  It's the same reason why I used mods to disable corpse decay.  If the corpses don't decay, and just pile up, it really drives home the human cost of all these fights to the death.

That gets nuts if you play a game like Dawn of War but turn the graphics way up to allow persistant, high count bodies.  You are eventually fighting on a battlefield paved with corpses.

[MerinTB]

EntropicAngel wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
I'm sure there are people working at BioWare who want nudity in the games, who wouldn't mind nudity in the games, and who would definitely not want it in the games.  I doubt they are monolithically of the same mind on it, or on anything.

What matters is who is in charge of making that call, ultimately.

Gaider has addressed that before, and said flat out that that is not why they're doing it. All that's left there is to believe or disbelieve him.

They aren't including nudity because someone with authority told them not to.  That is exactly what I said.

My larger point (well, second point - first was about perceived reasoning being perecived whether true or not) was that there's no way, absolutely no way, that everyone working on a given title has the same opinion on nudity in video games.  Not likely with two creators, no way with dozens.

Mr. Gaider has his own views.  He also probably knows at least part of the decision making process that went on, behind the scenes, that went into what was and was not included in DA:O as far as content.  So he surely does have a grasp on why the final decision was made.

Which still doesn't negate anything I said.

EntropicAngel wrote...
Plus, they have homosexual and interspecial (using the loose definition of species) sex. The ME games let you have sex with sentient birds. I find it next to impossible to believe that they're afraid of backlash.

They pick their battles.  ME for two games claimed, quite loudly, that there was no homosexuality in the ME universe (Asari not really having a gender being their "reasoning" why females with Asari didn't count.)

So BioWare isn't monolothic, as I said, on these issues.  Different teams, and even different individuals working on said teams, have different world views and different priorities.

BioWare has staked it's ground on fighting for inclusion for homosexuality.  It's a fight that, despite the negativity, they'd decided to take.

They have not staked ground on nudity in video games.  It is NOT a fight they decided to take.

Both will have backlash.  Whether they feel the backlash is worth what they are trying to accomplish is a good part of why decisions are made.

But, again, it ultimately comes down to whom gets to make final decisions and what they say on inclusion of content.

...

As for "sex with sentient birds", whatever, sci-fi has had inter-plantary sentient species romances since before any of us on these boards were born.  Greeks told stories of sex with animals and gods, and with gods in the form of animals.  Please.

[o Ventus]

MerinTB wrote...

They pick their battles.  ME for two games claimed, quite loudly, that there was no homosexuality in the ME universe (Asari not really having a gender being their "reasoning" why females with Asari didn't count.)

1. You must have played a different Mass Effect than I did. Never once was "there's no homosexuality" ever pressed, neither explicitly nor implicitly. 

2. The game itself refers to asari as being an all female species. Monogendered =\\= no gender.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 août 2013 - 06:21 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

 

[Thomas Andresen]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Regardless of why the nudity was removed from DAO, it was removed.

Maybe it wasn't. Maybe he was talking about the broodmothers. I wouldn't put it past him.

[Fraq Hound]

If Bioware games teach us anything, it's that breasts are evil and want to kill us.

Exhibit:

Modifié par Fraq Hound, 01 août 2013 - 10:00 .

[Angrywolves]

Fox news never changes.
If DAI had sex like the Witcher games have had it would show up on Fox .
Despite the rated M for mature there are certain lines Gaider , Laidlaw, Darrah et al won't cross because they personally find it offensive.

[Am1vf]

@Fraq Hound


How did I not see that? 

[Angrywolves]

an old Republican joke....

[brushyourteeth]

edited: removed inappropriate content ~Mod05

Taking a moment to make fun of another culture's tradition and religion? Classy.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 02 août 2013 - 04:48 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

edited: removed inappropriate content ~Mod05

Not to get into a Biblical discussion here but:

Adam was blamed as well. The blame was equal and so both were exiled.

Also:

I love breasts...

The woman's body is a work of pure art. The male's body is disgusting.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 02 août 2013 - 04:49 .

[MerinTB]

o Ventus wrote...
1. You must have played a different Mass Effect than I did. Never once was "there's no homosexuality" ever pressed, neither explicitly nor implicitly. 

I'm sorry, you're right - that was BioWare's stance on Star Wars, not Mass Effect - 
http://www.bit-tech....y-in-star-war/1

BioWare just said that Shepard wasn't gay, prior to ME3, because he was a "pre-established character" and they were shooting for a "PG-13 action" feel -
 http://kotaku.com/55...n-mass-effect-2

o Ventus wrote...
2. The game itself refers to asari as being an all female species. Monogendered == no gender.

Yeah, if you haven't seen the homophobic rationalizations for the Asari before me stating it now, you're either new-ish to Mass Effect discussions or have a  selective memory.

Modifié par MerinTB, 02 août 2013 - 06:13 .

[dracuella]

BioWareMod05 wrote...

edited: removed inappropriate content ~Mod05

Not to get into a Biblical discussion here but:
Adam was blamed as well. The blame was equal and so both were exiled.
Also:
I love breasts...
The woman's body is a work of pure art. The male's body is disgusting.

You know, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Having one myself, I can assure you art was not one of the corner stones laid as foundation for the female body. Weak limbs, raging hormonal peaks and monthly, disabling pains, yes. Art? Not so much.

Oh and the male body is a work of perfection! Except for the dangly bits, I don't find those all that aestetically pleasing. <_<

[o Ventus]

MerinTB wrote...

Yeah, if you haven't seen the homophobic rationalizations for the Asari before me stating it now, you're either new-ish to Mass Effect discussions or have a  selective memory.

1. I love how those are the 2 extremes in apparently bound to. You couldn't have been more arbitrary if you tried.

2. Rationalizations? For what? The very first words first words spoken in the second paragraph in the codex entry about the asari are "an all female species..."