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[esper]

devSin wrote...

Yeah, he was talking about BioWare, in their bumbling attempts to justify having no male same-sex representation.

Of course, these are the people who bragged about asking the male actors' permission before even considering it for ME3 (I guess to show that they took every possible precaution against contaminating the game with the gay), so I'd be even less inclined to care what they think.

More like the bioware writing team for me3.

But generally romances in ME were wildly unbalanced, straigh Male getting a too big share. I am glad that Gaider says that fairness wins out. No matter what I think we can count on there being an equal number off s/s and straight options in dragon age. As for ME shouldn't we take it to their board.

Modifié par esper, 02 août 2013 - 08:33 .

[MerinTB]

o Ventus wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
He saw what he believed (right or wrong, not judging here) was homosexuality included in ME.   He though that I, personally, was saying that homosexuality wasn't in ME and told me that I must have played a different game.

I corrected him on what I meant.  He wouldn't admit he had been mistaken, and moved the goal posts.

He's arguing so he can't be wrong.

This is what you said, word for word:

They pick their battles.  ME for two games claimed, quite loudly, that there was no homosexuality in the ME universe (Asari not really having a gender being their "reasoning" why females with Asari didn't count.)

"For two games" implies that the games themselves proclaim that there is no homosexuality in the in-game universe. This is what I was arguing against. If you were talking about Bioware, you didn't make it clear.

The biggest flaw in what I posted was saying ME instead of "ME's team", but contextually it is quite clear that I'm not, personally, saying that there was no homosexuality in ME but that I was saying that ME was claiming it wasn't there.

ME = Mass Effect.

I should have said the "Mass Effect team at BioWare" - but, again, all my supporting evidence afterward quite clearly showed me quoting people from BioWare AND the context of that post, in it's entirety, was about BioWare choosing which stands to take when - and that, for ME 1 & 2, they DIDN'T take a stand about including (at least male on male) homosexuality, and when called on the glaring inclusion of lesbianism and not male homosexuality, their gave their fervent denials.

As for you trying to make this about a game claiming anything - uhm, a game is a product created by people, it is not a sentient thing, in and of itself, outside of the INTENTIONS of its CREATORS.

To say that a printed poster says something is to say that the designer of the poster is saying something.  It is implicit in the statement.  As it is to say an article says something is the same as saying an article's writer is saying something.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Partial nudity. It shouldnt be a porno. I think romance scenes in ME1 handled it well and Liaras romance in ME3 was nice. At most all we got was side boob. It wasnt anything bad at all. It did however keep the immersion going and Liaras ME3 scene was especially well done.

As for outside of battle once again it should be sensible. The Broodmother's were great; disgusting and scary. The mudity just played into the creature. Im ok with more of that. But I dont wanna see random people running around topless.

[Angrywolves]

I agree with that.
The problem seems to be romance scenes.
I have Heavy Rain.
I hope to play deep into it this weekend and see how they handle it.

[RohnanJon]

If it's handled in a way that doesn't make it too obviously sexual, then it would be fine.
Like with the mother for example, her nudity was somewhat saddening in my opinion.

[daaaav]

Honestly bewildered by a few recent responses... Nudity is acceptable if it's used to portray a horrible creature but not acceptable if it's to be used sexually?

Can't sum up how twisted the status quo is better than that...

[Angrywolves]

When I saw a broodmother for the first time I was shocked and horrified.
Certainly not titillated.
Disqusted whenever I see them on replays.
There's such a thing as purient interest.
Nudity usually stimulates that and I suspect the DA team doesn't want the game to do that to the players.

[Omega Torsk]

I think this fairly witty video from back in the day sums up the back-and-forth going on in this thread.

[13Dannyboy13]

I still find it funny that graphic violence, dismemberment and decapitation is okay, but show a naked body in a video game and suddenly people get offended. I think that nudity was handled well in the witcher games, not over the top nudity, but nudity and sex had their part in the game. If the game is for adults (18+) to play, there's no reason that it shouldn't have nudity to go with all the other mature themes. Personally, I could care less if a game has nudity or not, but I do think it has a place in mature rated games.

[IC-07]

daaaav wrote...

Honestly bewildered by a few recent responses... Nudity is acceptable if it's used to portray a horrible creature but not acceptable if it's to be used sexually?

Can't sum up how twisted the status quo is better than that...

Sexualisation is a crime on BSN.

[Iakus]

daaaav wrote...

Honestly bewildered by a few recent responses... Nudity is acceptable if it's used to portray a horrible creature but not acceptable if it's to be used sexually?

Are we reading the same thread?

Modifié par iakus, 03 août 2013 - 03:32 .

[Hilarystamp]

Since there are romance scenes anyways, they might as well make them seem more intimate. It doesn't have to be straight up nudity, but the scenes lack that intimate feel they should have.

[Navasha]

If its a "mature" rated game, then make it "mature". I don't mind if its a fade to black and use your imagination, but honestly the way its been done in past games is the most jarring and unbelieveable. People don't shower with their underwear on. Either show the nudity or find some way to leave it to peoples imaginations.

If you are already going to get a "mature" rating, then go all the way and not detract from an intended scene by making it unrealistically laughable.

[DooomCookie]

No thank you.

I'm not squeamish, and I have no objections to the idea of nudity. I just can't see a way of animating any of that without making it extremely awkward and plummeting into uncanny valley. Rumping about in underwear or fully clothed is just silly as well. Just fade to black and no-one gets hurt...

Edit: With the desire demons and the broodmother, nudity wasn't used to portray intimacy or used in a romantic context, it was used to disgust, which worked very well.  I don't think a subtler use of nudity will be able to work with the current systems.

Modifié par DooomCookie, 03 août 2013 - 01:20 .

[keeneaow]

I think it works well as is, a no armor hack mod when i get tired at looking at armors,
select [show armor] if and when i get tired of looking at a naked girl running around with a sword.

[Slappy Ya Face]

Why? We already have 50 mods for that. Don't get me wrong, I usually download one, but I'm just saying; why bother with the controversy when mods fix it.

[Nightdragon8]

DooomCookie wrote...

No thank you.

I'm not squeamish, and I have no objections to the idea of nudity. I just can't see a way of animating any of that without making it extremely awkward and plummeting into uncanny valley. Rumping about in underwear or fully clothed is just silly as well. Just fade to black and no-one gets hurt...

Edit: With the desire demons and the broodmother, nudity wasn't used to portray intimacy or used in a romantic context, it was used to disgust, which worked very well.  I don't think a subtler use of nudity will be able to work with the current systems.

the desire demons where nude?? when?? more like string bikini's

you know... I think the whole "should there be nudity" is really all in the eye of the beholder. there is too many variables to really count for "should", could there be nudity, yes, does it need it. No, the other DA games did it well enough where we don't need to see pixilated boobs or butts.

honestly I'm all for it, but "need", I don't think it needs it. Its not a selling point for me.

[Triforce Hermit]

Nothing ever "needs" nudity. It should just be placed were it would add to the game or story. I don't want it to be slapped all over the place just for pleasure. Desire demons can stay the way they are with string covering their privates.

[dracuella]

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Nothing ever "needs" nudity. It should just be placed were it would add to the game or story. I don't want it to be slapped all over the place just for pleasure. Desire demons can stay the way they are with string covering their privates.

Seriously though, does anyone think tassles covvering someone's nipples and two thin strips of clothing covering your vagina from immediate bush viewing is a bikini? Tactically placed or not, this is pretty much naked. And when did the notion arise that you have to see nipples to see boobs!? Seriously wtf.

[IC-07]

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Nothing ever "needs" nudity. It should just be placed were it would add to the game or story. I don't want it to be slapped all over the place just for pleasure. Desire demons can stay the way they are with string covering their privates.

You must undress to defeat the next Archdemon, as the prophecy demands.

[Bfler]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I usually download one, but I'm just saying; why bother with the controversy when mods fix it.

Because, most likely, without modding support, it will be very difficult to do such mods in DA:I. 
In ME3 e.g. after 1 1/2 year people still work on a simple unmasked Tali.

[Trolldrool]

Full frontal nudity is in no way necessary, nor are any explicit details, but nothing more than a fade to black kiss where the lips barely even touch before the characters are lying in bed with awkward looking underwear will feel like a cop-out.

Kisses are something we don't mind watching in the middle of the game. They're nice. They're small, but efficient signs of affection that we share with our own partners in real life at virtually any time of the day. However in many games, the hero gets one single kiss. During the "love scene" at the end. No more, no less.

I don't think a love scene in a game should turn us on. That shouldn't be the purpose. But the love scene should do something to spark the imagination. A fade to black could imply anything. It could even imply that our heroes do everything wrong and that the whole thing becomes too humiliating to show.

[Urazz]

dracuella wrote...

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Nothing ever "needs" nudity. It should just be placed were it would add to the game or story. I don't want it to be slapped all over the place just for pleasure. Desire demons can stay the way they are with string covering their privates.

Seriously though, does anyone think tassles covvering someone's nipples and two thin strips of clothing covering your vagina from immediate bush viewing is a bikini? Tactically placed or not, this is pretty much naked. And when did the notion arise that you have to see nipples to see boobs!? Seriously wtf.

Yes, funny how that is isn't it.  I myself pretty much see that as nudity as well in my opinion.

[Magdalena11]

Trolldrool wrote...

I don't think a love scene in a game should turn us on. That shouldn't be the purpose. But the love scene should do something to spark the imagination. A fade to black could imply anything. It could even imply that our heroes do everything wrong and that the whole thing becomes too humiliating to show.

I like that idea.  From LI reactions I've always assumed that the impression was favorable but it would be hysterical to take the point of view that whatever happened wasn't shown because it was too humiliating.

[Blazingkats]

I don't mind