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[What a Succulent Ass]

Nah, that improbable underwear sh*t makes my day.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Oh, we're going to have sex? Let me just change into an uglier, less revealing bra than I wear in public.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

It's partially how I was raised since my mother owned a go-go club (modern day we call them strip clubs) in San Antonio (and it's where she met my father) in the late 60's early 70's, but nudity doesn't bother me. What does bother me is that network television can show a woman being killed brutally, but any scene of her naked prior to that death scene is somehow worse. I always download nude patches for games when it's possible, not because I want my character running around naked, but because especially in an M rated game, censorship of nudity but not the violence is something I will NEVER understand. Worst is the Sims games, it drives me nuts playing Sims games without the nude patch because it's frickin' Barbie doll nudity (hell, they don't even have nipples without the more "adult" nude mod that changes the base nude files, and pretty sure barbie dolls do) yet it has to be censored and that big pixelated blob just bothers me.

As for the whole Fox News thing about Mass Effect being a fully interactive Sex Simulator, the "moral majority" are going to object to the game. Fox News is going to object to the game. Fox News is going to make up crap that doesn't exist to give themselves more ammunition against the gaming industry. People will try to defend it and point out that Fox News is over-reacting with actual facts and not the "I heard from a friend who didn't actually play it... neither have I" and Fox News will shut them up and go to commercial. It's what they do when you don't jump on their "video games are the root of all evil" propaganda bandwagon.

What happened to the days of Duke Nukem 3D where there was an actual toggle in game that turned the censor blub on or off? Do that. Make actual nudity, make underwear nudity, then put a toggle in options that allows us to turn the underwear on or off. It's rated M, not T.

Finally, I am one of the people that thought that Traynor taking a shower in her underwear and bra was completely stupid. Do women do that? Sure, when they want to be super-sexy for some over the top sexual teasing play maybe, but that's not what that scene was... so having her stay in the underwear was completely stupid. I'd rather have seen only back shots or such stuff (gosh, maybe like they did with the Liara sex scenes in ME3? Seriously... WTF Bioware, why can Liara get naked and be all teasing with creative "camera angles" so you never actually see any "naughty" bits but no other women can? That's another thing totally dumb as ****)

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 05 août 2013 - 12:32 .

[Neon Rising Winter]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Finally, I am one of the people that thought that Traynor taking a shower in her underwear and bra was completely stupid. Do women do that? Sure, when they want to be super-sexy for some over the top sexual teasing play maybe, but that's not what that scene was... so having her stay in the underwear was completely stupid. I'd rather have seen only back shots or such stuff (gosh, maybe like they did with the Liara sex scenes in ME3? Seriously... WTF Bioware, why can Liara get naked and be all teasing with creative "camera angles" so you never actually see any "naughty" bits but no other women can? That's another thing totally dumb as ****)

Oh that, yes. That scene there embodies the whole problem with nudity in Bioware games. Yes, we can have the great big discussion over whether nudity should be in there or not (I know, a bit redundant to say that on page 51 of a thread on the topic), but the real problem is they create these scenes of situations where there is no remotely plausible reason for the characters to be clothed and then... inappropriate underwear moment.

If you're not going to show the characters nude, then for crying out loud create scenes which are angled not to show anything, add some strategically placed scenery, fade to black at an appropriate point, anything but show me people showering semi-clad or engaging in some misguided and awkward attempt to have sex through their underwear . Dragon Age may be one of the few games in existence where nude mods make certain scenes look less silly.

[TMZuk]

Yes, there should be nudity. Both genders, full frontal. It's a game I suppose will be rated M for Mature.

But I'll bet just about anything that there won't be. The ridiculous modesty that has wormed it's way back into the Western World since the seventies will see to that.

[Nightdragon8]

TMZuk wrote...

Yes, there should be nudity. Both genders, full frontal. It's a game I suppose will be rated M for Mature.

But I'll bet just about anything that there won't be. The ridiculous modesty that has wormed it's way back into the Western World since the seventies will see to that.

... umm you do know that M does not cover full frontal nudity right? At least not the ESRB scale.

Full frontal is raited A for Adult, 18+ Nudity.

[o Ventus]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

Yes, there should be nudity. Both genders, full frontal. It's a game I suppose will be rated M for Mature.

But I'll bet just about anything that there won't be. The ridiculous modesty that has wormed it's way back into the Western World since the seventies will see to that.

... umm you do know that M does not cover full frontal nudity right? At least not the ESRB scale.

Full frontal is raited A for Adult, 18+ Nudity.

Tell that to The Witcher 2, Dante's Inferno, and Metro: Last Light.

[AstraDrakkar]

 It really bugs me that the game industry has no problem showing blood and gore, but show too much skin and you incur the wrath of Fox News or some such group. It's just plain silly. The underwear sex scenes are a testament to that. Full frontal nudity would be just fine with me as long as it includes both genders. I hate double standards. In lieu of that, just use creative camera angles or something  that isn't so blantantly obvious.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 05 août 2013 - 01:42 .

[Ninja Mage]

Why can you show someone being eaten by a monster or dismembered but you can't show boobs or a guy's penis? What...

[Really Sad Panther]

Narrow Margin wrote...

If you're not going to show the characters nude, then for crying out loud create scenes which are angled not to show anything, add some strategically placed scenery, fade to black at an appropriate point, anything but show me people showering semi-clad or engaging in some misguided and awkward attempt to have sex through their underwear . Dragon Age may be one of the few games in existence where nude mods make certain scenes look less silly.

I agree, they could have done something that would have looked more appropriate than what they ended up with.

[Triforce Hermit]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

Yes, there should be nudity. Both genders, full frontal. It's a game I suppose will be rated M for Mature.

But I'll bet just about anything that there won't be. The ridiculous modesty that has wormed it's way back into the Western World since the seventies will see to that.

... umm you do know that M does not cover full frontal nudity right? At least not the ESRB scale.

Full frontal is raited A for Adult, 18+ Nudity.

The Witcher 2 has a M+ rating

[TMZuk]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

Yes, there should be nudity. Both genders, full frontal. It's a game I suppose will be rated M for Mature.

But I'll bet just about anything that there won't be. The ridiculous modesty that has wormed it's way back into the Western World since the seventies will see to that.

... umm you do know that M does not cover full frontal nudity right? At least not the ESRB scale.

Full frontal is raited A for Adult, 18+ Nudity.

No, I wasn't aware. I am not from the US, so I am not familiar with the intricate rating system there. In Denmark, where I live, full frontal nudity is 16+, and that's the highests rating anything can have, and that's how DA:O was rated. More due to violence than to explicit sexual content.

Modifié par TMZuk, 05 août 2013 - 11:50 .

[esper]

TMZuk wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

Yes, there should be nudity. Both genders, full frontal. It's a game I suppose will be rated M for Mature.

But I'll bet just about anything that there won't be. The ridiculous modesty that has wormed it's way back into the Western World since the seventies will see to that.

... umm you do know that M does not cover full frontal nudity right? At least not the ESRB scale.

Full frontal is raited A for Adult, 18+ Nudity.

No, I wasn't aware. I am not from the US, so I am not familiar with the intricate rating system there. In Denmark, where I live, full frontal nudity is 16+, and that's the highests rating anything can have, and that's how DA:O was rated. More due to violence than to explicit sexual content.

Nah... we do have an 17 (super rare) and even an 18 too ( rare), but those too are rarely seen and have more to do with violence, i think. Or the occassionally 18 that is translated directly from M of the esrb, because our rating system can be lazy, I guess.

[shinobi602]

GTA IV: Ballad of Gay Tony also had full frontal.

[Bfler]

TMZuk wrote...

...

No, I wasn't aware. I am not from the US, so I am not familiar with the intricate rating system there. In Denmark, where I live, full frontal nudity is 16+, and that's the highests rating anything can have, and that's how DA:O was rated. More due to violence than to explicit sexual content.

Yes, in Germany it's similar. In general, 18+ are only shooters and games with a lot of violence and gore.

[Doveberry]

Everything has already been said, I suppose, but I'll jump in anyway. Seriously, in a game with explicit, gory violence, I find it absolutely upsetting (to the point of rage) when game developers childishly shy away from nudity. They are effectively saying that violence is alright (cool even), but sex and/or nudity is bad. This can only ever be harmful. Nudity does not have to be crude or inappropriate. The assumption that it is bad by default is not only ridiculous, but downright evil.

[Foxhound2121]

Softcore nudity would be ok and cool. Waist and above.

That doesn't include penis or vagina.


and yes that is acceptable in the M 17+ rating.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 06 août 2013 - 08:09 .

[Mr.Pink]

I think it would work if it was included in a mature way. No Saints Row 3 crap, have it presented in a more serious/mature way. That, or don't fully include it.

[Doveberry]

I'm not sure why penises and vaginas should be discriminated against. Every person ever (especially those that are 17 and older) will have seen at least one. Presumably without immediately having a heart attack and dying from the shock of it.

I'm not saying that they're hugely important, but to exclude them as a point of principle in a game where severed limbs fly in every single one of the numerous fights that you will doubtlessly be forced into, I think is a deeply silly (and potentially harmful) way to go.

In fact, seeing such things could only increase the feeling of realism, something that the Dragon Age games seem to be aiming for. I'm not talking about porn, and the exposure would not even necessarily have to occur within the scope of a love scene. People tend to be naked for all kinds of reasons, and I'd just like to see them represented as they are. There really is no reason for game developers or anyone else to be so skittish about it. Now, a penis or vagina in a serious game is not going to happen anytime soon, but I kind of think that it should. It would be a step forward for society in general.

[RogueWriter3201]

 Short answer? Yes. But keep it relevant. No gratuitous nudity. If you're in a brothel? You can show some nudity. If it's the more relevant love scene? Go Mass Effect 1 with it. No more, no less and I don't think BioWare will have any issues.

[Angrywolves]

I just don't believe Gaider, Laidlaw, Darraj, Flyn, etc etc etc approve of the full frontal approach .
Don't believe EA would ever approve it anyway.
I'm hoping for creative camera angles/ scenes like Shep and Liara in ME1.
I would be happy with that.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

o Ventus wrote...

devSin wrote...

We agree. It was an invalid excuse when they made it, and it's just as invalid today.

Literally nobody is arguing otherwise.

The "asari are women" thing started as a side comment. I have no idea why it grew. The main point was "there's no homosexuality in ME (before ME3)", which is also blatantly wrong.

I think the problem is that most gamers (and most developers) are stereotypically men.  So, when you show the stereotypical straight male two men kissing or having sex they say "OMG that's sick."   Then, you show them two women kissing or going further to actual sex and it becomes "OMG that's HOT!"

It's the double standard of the straight male homophobe that gay men are sick in the head, but lesbians are super hot.

So, when people say "There is no homosexuality in ME before 3" what they really should be saying is "There is no male homosexuality in ME before 3" but, they won't say that because lesbians aren't homosexual (again, to the stereotypical male homophobe.)

[Lotto]

As goofy as the underwear sex looks, nudity would probably lead to more "sexbox" nonsense from Fox and whiny parents.

[Nefla]

A sliver of sideboob made fox news run around screaming that ME1 was a rape simulator, I can only imagine what those retards would come up with if there was nudity shown. I'm all for nudity without showing anything though through angles blocked shots, etc...it would make the most sense and the rating wouldn't have to increase so they could still sell to younger fans.

[Twilight_Princess]

 You can show implied nudity without actually showing it. Take until we sleep for example




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