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...it would make the most sense and the rating wouldn't have to increase so they could still sell to younger fans.

Younger fans? The game is going to have an R rating.

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Foxhound2121 wrote...

Softcore nudity would be ok and cool. Waist and above.

That doesn't include penis or vagina.


and yes that is acceptable in the M 17+ rating.


Both TW2 and Dante's Inferno depict full frontal (female) nudity, genitals and all, and there both rated M.

Funny, considering that if both of those games can keep an M rating while showing full frontal (even depicting sex, in the case of the Witcher), why was GTA: San Andreas repackaged with an AO rating when the hot coffee mod was discovered? That is much more humble than anything in the Witcher.

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If it's tasteful, I don't mind at all.

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o Ventus wrote...

Both TW2 and Dante's Inferno depict full frontal (female) nudity, genitals and all, and there both rated M.

Funny, considering that if both of those games can keep an M rating while showing full frontal (even depicting sex, in the case of the Witcher), why was GTA: San Andreas repackaged with an AO rating when the hot coffee mod was discovered? That is much more humble than anything in the Witcher.


I think in San Andreas it was kind of a mini game and therefore interactive which is why they did that. The whole sex/nudity censorship thing was probably worse back then. I think it is stupid that people have such double standards to be honest, they allow games in which you can basically rip a mans head off and more but somehow sex and nudity are wrose than that.

To be honest, I don't really mind if they add nudity or not, in the end it'd just be for romances and I doubt it would make the actual game any better or any worse. 

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If they do romance they should show nudity in tasteful manner. If they have for some reason dont want to show nipples, that doesnt mean they should give them bras and underwear when it doesnt make sense for it to be there. Just use smart camera angles, sheets. Hell even pot plants obscuring body parts is better than some inappropriate underwear.

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Honestly, nudity doesn't bring anything tot he game nor makes it lose anything. Of course, how does one bring that in tastefully and not make it look like two plastic dolls rubbing together in the hands of a 5 year old ...

Eh ... either way nudity doesn't affect my enjoyment or disappointment in a game.

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Does this thread never die?

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Blessed Silence wrote...

Honestly, nudity doesn't bring anything tot he game nor makes it lose anything. Of course, how does one bring that in tastefully and not make it look like two plastic dolls rubbing together in the hands of a 5 year old ...

Eh ... either way nudity doesn't affect my enjoyment or disappointment in a game.


It does mine when you're presented with people wearing underwear in some highly implausible situations. It's not that I desperately want to see them banging away in the nude, I just don't want to feel like I need to sit them down with an age appropriate educational booklet and explain why that's not going to work very well.

I like the tastefully placed potted plant idea. You can get potted plants with very suggestive shapes after all.

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I don't see what the problem was with the original Mass Effect sex scenes.
I don't know why they just didn't keep those form of scenes with the rest of the Mass Effect trilogy and the Dragon Age games.
Those were perfect in my book.
Not too much and not too little.

Although I wouldn't mind seeing Cassandra in her birthday suit. ;)

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Does this thread never die?


No, it's the Cthulhu of threads, even if you think it's dead it is merely waiting for the stars to re-align.

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Let's just be honest and admit that most people who want nudity only care if the female parts are shown. And in a way... I really don't like how objectifying that is. Besides, imagine a scenario where, both male and female parts are shown during the sex scenes.
There's, undoubtedly, going to be a gay love scene (as there has been in every DA game). The media gets pissed off about this every time, but if there was nudity involved? Oh god, can you imagine what a ****storm of bad PR that would be?
Another thing is... I, like a lot of gamers, have been playing M games since before I was 17 (with parental permission) and I can say with certainty that if there had been a game with any sort of nudity, my parents would have flipped out.
My last argument is from a writer's standpoint. I LOVE writing fanfiction, including the dirty bits. If you show us everything, then you're sort of taking the fun out of imagining it. I mean, I like having to guess just how far Fenris' markings go. You know?

Now, a short list of things I do support:
- Side boob
- Naked sex scenes, where arms/legs/curtains/bed posts get in the way of seeing everything.
- Removed clothing. I hated how the sex scenes in DA2 were like, fully clothed. That was lame.
- Being able to snog/screw outside of set cutscenes and/or home base. Remember the part in Origins where Oghren was watching a female Warden makeout with Leiliana? That was gold. Let's have more of that.

But in the end, I just appreciate love scenes in general. Whether it's Alistair screwing my Warden in a tent, or that ridiculously sexy kiss scene between Anders and M!Hawke in the clinic-- I love it all.

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o Ventus wrote...

Both TW2 and Dante's Inferno depict full frontal (female) nudity, genitals and all, and there both rated M.

Funny, considering that if both of those games can keep an M rating while showing full frontal (even depicting sex, in the case of the Witcher), why was GTA: San Andreas repackaged with an AO rating when the hot coffee mod was discovered? That is much more humble than anything in the Witcher.


Two words:

Hilary Clinton

Once she caught wind of the hot coffee scene, she launched a campaign against it.
(why? I honestly haven't got a clue)

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Does this thread never die?


Apparantly It's a popular demand among Bioware fans. This topic hardly ever graces the Witcher forum, ironically...

Modifié par slimgrin, 10 août 2013 - 01:23 .


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I think most people who are fan of dragon age, including the creators of the game are fans of Game of Thrones, by mere logic, everything that is okay in that show should be okay in the game, since both are mature.

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slimgrin wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Does this thread never die?


Apparantly It's a popular demand among Bioware fans. This topic hardly every graces the Witcher forum, ironically...


Probably because of the nudity in the game.

I wonder if the topic would die down here if BioWare actually did flash a little, or if an anti-nudity crusade would erupt. 

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witcher 2 style should be great

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Frozenkex wrote...

If they do romance they should show nudity in tasteful manner. If they have for some reason dont want to show nipples, that doesnt mean they should give them bras and underwear when it doesnt make sense for it to be there. Just use smart camera angles, sheets. Hell even pot plants obscuring body parts is better than some inappropriate underwear.


If not having a sex scene detracts from a romance, was it ever a romance to begin with?

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slimgrin wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Does this thread never die?


Apparantly It's a popular demand among Bioware fans. This topic hardly ever graces the Witcher forum, ironically...


Why would they request something that it is already added?




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No more underware, that's silly Bioware.


Use partial or full nudity, play with camera angles or with shadows, or go full speed and show everything. Just don't use underware.

Although this is a small matter, it is immersion killer. There I am smiling when my love is saying something sweet to me, and when it comes fun time... "Oh yeah, I am playing a video game, I was really into that moment, goddanmit..."

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Pheonix57 wrote...

Let's just be honest and admit that most people who want nudity only care if the female parts are shown. And in a way... I really don't like how objectifying that is. Besides, imagine a scenario where, both male and female parts are shown during the sex scenes.
There's, undoubtedly, going to be a gay love scene (as there has been in every DA game). The media gets pissed off about this every time, but if there was nudity involved? Oh god, can you imagine what a ****storm of bad PR that would be?
Another thing is... I, like a lot of gamers, have been playing M games since before I was 17 (with parental permission) and I can say with certainty that if there had been a game with any sort of nudity, my parents would have flipped out.
My last argument is from a writer's standpoint. I LOVE writing fanfiction, including the dirty bits. If you show us everything, then you're sort of taking the fun out of imagining it. I mean, I like having to guess just how far Fenris' markings go. You know?

Now, a short list of things I do support:
- Side boob
- Naked sex scenes, where arms/legs/curtains/bed posts get in the way of seeing everything.
- Removed clothing. I hated how the sex scenes in DA2 were like, fully clothed. That was lame.
- Being able to snog/screw outside of set cutscenes and/or home base. Remember the part in Origins where Oghren was watching a female Warden makeout with Leiliana? That was gold. Let's have more of that.

But in the end, I just appreciate love scenes in general. Whether it's Alistair screwing my Warden in a tent, or that ridiculously sexy kiss scene between Anders and M!Hawke in the clinic-- I love it all.


So you are one of the people who have unnatural fear of female nipples? Like somehow showing penis in your opinion should be equal to showing female nipples? (facepalm) The current opinion of society than showing penis wouldnt be tasteful at all, and I guess i would agree, i dont wana go into philosophy of that, but its just how it is right now. But female nipples arent much different than male nipples you know, and you already dont have problem with side boob, and a lot of outfits that females wear already show a lot of the boob anyway. And as I mentioned earlier most of the shows that we love (and are rated mature(R rating?)) dont have any problem with showing boobs. They are just boobs. And i dont agree that people who want nudity just want to see boobs, they just have a problem when mature games go out of their way to hide them (made worse by underwear), which is wierd.

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Frozenkex wrote...

So you are one of the people who have unnatural fear of female nipples? Like somehow showing penis in your opinion should be equal to showing female nipples? (facepalm) The current opinion of society than showing penis wouldnt be tasteful at all, and I guess i would agree, i dont wana go into philosophy of that, but its just how it is right now. But female nipples arent much different than male nipples you know, and you already dont have problem with side boob, and a lot of outfits that females wear already show a lot of the boob anyway. And as I mentioned earlier most of the shows that we love (and are rated mature(R rating?)) dont have any problem with showing boobs. They are just boobs. And i dont agree that people who want nudity just want to see boobs, they just have a problem when mature games go out of their way to hide them (made worse by underwear), which is wierd.


Although the opinion of society is also that computer games are for the kiddies. Which is probably why the examples mentioned above, even in the mature rated games are all fairly tame Hollywood sex scene in their approach. You can get away with marketing 'Woo hoo, ******!', other things less so.

So I'd agree with you, yeah it's just breasts, yeah it's just a penis, so what? But the social constraints involved and the perceived target audience mean you'll get away with one and not the other.

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I'm all in for it as long as it isn't just female nudity.

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Let's try and keep the sociopolitical debates out of the discussion and keep it game-related, please. Thank you.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Does this thread never die?


What is thread can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Anyway, characters being nude when appropriate is good.  But full frontal is distracting.  I'm sure I've said something like that in this thread before, but I can't remember and I didn't want to make a post that was just an ASoIaF reference.

Modifié par Wulfram, 10 août 2013 - 09:37 .


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oh it's stan.
Are you male or female stan ?
Always just assumed you were male.
Most people point to ME1 and the Liara romance tastefully done as what they would like the DA team to emulate and I would be comfortable with that.

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Can't believe I was the last person to post on this topic.
Stan must have scared them all away.
Trust me.
Ninja Stan is just a big teddy bear.
Rotfl.
I've been in the hospital over a week. Was in CCU for 3 days. So i hope the mods will endulge me a little.
One of my therapist had a great body. Particularly from the back. A beautiful backside.
It reminded me of Sir Mixalots baby got back. So I guess I'm pleading for more backside shots in the romance scenes.
Less likely to be viewed as offensive .
Let's Bring Sexy Back with Justin Timberlake from my home state and InSync on the MTV music awards.
Let's Bring Sexy Back.