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[ianvillan]

wildkeny wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Fade to black sucks. It suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. We're all adults here, and just having a fade to black scene without at least showing a little bit of foreplay first is just boring. CDprojektRed has full blown sex scenes and shows it works just fine.

Come on Bioware, bring on the filthy!

Not going to happen.

Just because the rating allows something doesn't mean we should do it, or that we're even interested. It has nothing to do with censorship, nothing to do with us thinking sex is "filthy", and nothing to do with us being afraid of the subject. It's a matter of taste, as in our taste and what we think fits DA's tone. We do plenty of things in DA that earn the M rating, and In our opinion having nudity/sex just because it's possible wouldn't make the game darker or edgier (if that was even something we thought was a worthwhile goal).

What we'll do in DAI with regards to these scenes is something we may or may not discuss prior to release-- so you might have to wait until the game comes out to see what direction we've chosen, I'm not sure. We've discussed improvements-- the team has criticisms of both DAO's and DA2's approach-- but whatever the changes, I can assure you that nudity and "full blown sex scenes" are not in the cards.

If someone prefers that, and holds up CDProjekt as an example of how it "works just fine"-- awesome. Witcher's that way. I'm certain that having games on the market with multiple approaches to the topic is quite viable.

You guys actually did nudity as to the broodmother I think LOL maybe should let her wear bikini next time

Maybe she lost it and the Inquisitor can find it and return it to her for a sovereign.

[Plaintiff]

wildkeny wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

I don't want to see nudity, but I have no problem with what was done in Mass Effect 1.

In my opinion, full frontal nudity can change the tone of how the gamer may approach it.

Example: Some people approach the Witcher 2 as a porno, with a plot to tie in one sex scene to the next. Many do not, but some do, and they buy the game and play it simply for the nudity.

Yeah, my gf asked me why there is nudity when Triss showed her boobs at the beginning and I told her it is a game like the Game of Thrones

In the Game of Thrones you strip or you die?

[wildkeny]

Plaintiff wrote...

wildkeny wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

I don't want to see nudity, but I have no problem with what was done in Mass Effect 1.

In my opinion, full frontal nudity can change the tone of how the gamer may approach it.

Example: Some people approach the Witcher 2 as a porno, with a plot to tie in one sex scene to the next. Many do not, but some do, and they buy the game and play it simply for the nudity.

Yeah, my gf asked me why there is nudity when Triss showed her boobs at the beginning and I told her it is a game like the Game of Thrones

In the Game of Thrones you strip or you die?

In the Wticher you strip or you die?

[Khevan77]

To expand further on my earlier post, I think seeing the foreplay (kissing, rolling around on the bed, etc) can be helpful in seeing the emotions and whatnot in the scene. Sex in and of itself is not a filthy, disgusting, or bad thing, but it is a private thing, in my opinion. Something done between two people (or more if you're into that sort of thing) for themselves, not for others to watch. So I don't want to see the act itself.

However, like I said earlier, seeing the pre- and post- coitus interludes can help show some of the emotional context that the "fade to black" parts contain. In a romance, emotion is key, and those of us who enjoy the romances in Bioware games enjoy that emotional context. I can only speak for myself, but this seems fairly universal in regards to the romances.

So, ME1 style scenes, with camera induced censoring, is about perfect in my opinion. I wouldn't mind a bit more overt nudity, but I certainly don't need it, so either way Bioware goes with that is fine with me. I just don't want ME3 style Samantha shower scene, or DA:O underwear sex scenes. And the Witcher style scenes? Leave them in the Witcher series, and keep them outta my Bioware games, please.

[Uccio]

If people buy TW2 just to see nudity then they need to get out more, maybe even life.

Free tip. Check out this thing called 'internet', tons of p0rn free of charge.

[Former_Fiend]

Khevan77 wrote...

To expand further on my earlier post, I think seeing the foreplay (kissing, rolling around on the bed, etc) can be helpful in seeing the emotions and whatnot in the scene. Sex in and of itself is not a filthy, disgusting, or bad thing, but it is a private thing, in my opinion. Something done between two people (or more if you're into that sort of thing) for themselves, not for others to watch. So I don't want to see the act itself.

However, like I said earlier, seeing the pre- and post- coitus interludes can help show some of the emotional context that the "fade to black" parts contain. In a romance, emotion is key, and those of us who enjoy the romances in Bioware games enjoy that emotional context. I can only speak for myself, but this seems fairly universal in regards to the romances.

So, ME1 style scenes, with camera induced censoring, is about perfect in my opinion. I wouldn't mind a bit more overt nudity, but I certainly don't need it, so either way Bioware goes with that is fine with me. I just don't want ME3 style Samantha shower scene, or DA:O underwear sex scenes. And the Witcher style scenes? Leave them in the Witcher series, and keep them outta my Bioware games, please.

Mind you I don't disagree with your over-all opinion, I just want to point out the flaw in the first paragraph;discounting exibitionists(seeing as how we are most likely not going to have Isabela or Zevran in the party), I don't think of we, the player, as a third, vouristic party in this. The Inquisitor is the extension of ourselves, therefore we are involved.

Having said that, I do agree that ME1 style to ME3 Liara style(still think it's unfair that she's the only one who got that, but that's another discussion) would be ideal as opposed to something more explicit. 

I'm also not against pre- & post- scenes. I just don't want to see people cuddled up in their underwear afterwards. Use a blanket, use folded arms, use creative camera angles to censor, that's all fine. 

[Shark17676]

It's downright bizarre that our society is much less offended by depictions of gratuitous violence and cruelty than nudity and sex.

[Eterna]

Ukki wrote...

If people buy TW2 just to see nudity then they need to get out more, maybe even life.

Free tip. Check out this thing called 'internet', tons of p0rn free of charge.

But porn desn't have character development!! Meaningless sex is awful and unattractive. 

[draken-heart]

Just going to say, again. I always see the "goofy" underwear as nothing more than censoring, and it is not really there.

[Incantrix]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

If people buy TW2 just to see nudity then they need to get out more, maybe even life.

Free tip. Check out this thing called 'internet', tons of p0rn free of charge.

But porn desn't have character development!! Meaningless sex is awful and unattractive. 

Ok

Here's a question. What does having "porn-esque"  romance scenes bring to the game artistically? Why is there a need to have breasts and male genitalia flopping about, to show two characters who love each other?

Not to mention, animated sex is extremely hard to not make awkward and robotic. In that case, are you willing to forgo other improvements just so you have that 20 seconds of jollies?

Please, this whole obsession with seeing pixels naked boggles my mind.

Modifié par Incantrix, 25 septembre 2013 - 06:02 .

[Angrywolves]

What does all the killing in an rpg bring to a game artistically .
This isn't the Louve, Rembrant, or Picasso.
The artistic claim is ridiculous .
People that hate romances in DA should just say so and forget making convoluted excuses.

[Trolldrool]

Even without the ridiculous underwear, the sex scene in Origins would still resemble a game of Twister gone wrong. Nudity doesn't automatically equate to good sex scenes.

Modifié par Trolldrool, 25 septembre 2013 - 09:21 .

[Incantrix]

Angrywolves wrote...

What does all the killing in an rpg bring to a game artistically .
This isn't the Louve, Rembrant, or Picasso.
The artistic claim is ridiculous .
People that hate romances in DA should just say so and forget making convoluted excuses.

On the contrary. I like the romance. However, I don't want them ruined by unnecessary  porn scenes "just because"

Is rather them put the potential resources into other more important things.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Incantrix wrote...

On the contrary. I like the romance. However, I don't want them ruined by unnecessary  porn scenes "just because"

Is rather them put the potential resources into other more important things.

Like realistic nudity for corpses and the poverty-stricken?

[Eterna]

Incantrix wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ukki wrote...

If people buy TW2 just to see nudity then they need to get out more, maybe even life.

Free tip. Check out this thing called 'internet', tons of p0rn free of charge.

But porn desn't have character development!! Meaningless sex is awful and unattractive. 

Ok

Here's a question. What does having "porn-esque"  romance scenes bring to the game artistically? Why is there a need to have breasts and male genitalia flopping about, to show two characters who love each other?

Not to mention, animated sex is extremely hard to not make awkward and robotic. In that case, are you willing to forgo other improvements just so you have that 20 seconds of jollies?

Please, this whole obsession with seeing pixels naked boggles my mind.

Dude, I don't want that. I want something like the romance scenes from Mass Effect one. Porn is disgusting. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 25 septembre 2013 - 11:31 .

[HiddenInWar]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Yes.

Fade to black sucks. It suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. We're all adults here, and just having a fade to black scene without at least showing a little bit of foreplay first is just boring. CDprojektRed has full blown sex scenes and shows it works just fine.

Come on Bioware, bring on the filthy!

I concur.

[Fast Jimmy]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Incantrix wrote...

On the contrary. I like the romance. However, I don't want them ruined by unnecessary  porn scenes "just because"

Is rather them put the potential resources into other more important things.

Like realistic nudity for corpses and the poverty-stricken?

Unless you can romance it, the BSN won't likely support it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Who else couldn't care less?

[Knight of Dane]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Who else couldn't care less?

I don't think my dead dog really cares about it..

[Angrywolves]

People need to stop with the phony porn comparisons .
If you don't want sex/ nudity/romances just say so.
Oh it's porn, or it's immoral , players who want that stuff must be morally inferior to those who don't , or wink wink they're masturbating to the nudity, or some such.
Let's just forget the BSN.
Write letters.
Bioware Edmonton Alberta Canada.
Dear Bioware We prudish players don't want want any sex/nudity/romances in any DA games including DAI.
Or call.
I'm sure they have a secretary answering the phones . They probably won't like the phone calls but don't let that stop you.
Go to some of these paxes, conventions , etc Bioware is going to be at and ask the Bioware panelists and poor Jessica M who would have to deal with this, just ask them to drop all the sex stuff.
Skyrim was successful without it, Dragons Dogma has been successful without it.
So just ask Bioware to do away with it, if you don't want it/don't like it.
shrugs.

[cjones91]

Incantrix wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

What does all the killing in an rpg bring to a game artistically .
This isn't the Louve, Rembrant, or Picasso.
The artistic claim is ridiculous .
People that hate romances in DA should just say so and forget making convoluted excuses.

On the contrary. I like the romance. However, I don't want them ruined by unnecessary  porn scenes "just because"

Is rather them put the potential resources into other more important things.

Such as combat?Because if there's one thing I don't get about you anti nudity folks is you claim it's "unnecessary" or porn but you guys sure as hell seem to like seeing guts,blood,and blown up limbs in games.

[Examurai]

Am I the only one here who has never considered the romance scenes as sex scenes in any Bioware game?
I mean i've always seen them as just  foreplay with the fade to black as to where the real action is happening. That's why I feel the only part of these scenes that maybe require nudity would be the pillow talk, with smart camera angles of course. ME3 was going in the right direction with this. (Besides that infamous femShep/Traynor shower scene)

Modifié par Examurai1, 26 septembre 2013 - 12:36 .

[Incantrix]

cjones91 wrote...

Incantrix wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

What does all the killing in an rpg bring to a game artistically .
This isn't the Louve, Rembrant, or Picasso.
The artistic claim is ridiculous .
People that hate romances in DA should just say so and forget making convoluted excuses.

On the contrary. I like the romance. However, I don't want them ruined by unnecessary  porn scenes "just because"

Is rather them put the potential resources into other more important things.

Such as combat?Because if there's one thing I don't get about you anti nudity folks is you claim it's "unnecessary" or porn but you guys sure as hell seem to like seeing guts,blood,and blown up limbs in games.

Sure! Environment, combat....so many more significant things than nudity. 

Sure, ME scenes are ok. But once you start getting into witcher scenes, it's just nudity because "boobs lol". I have no problem with artistic nudity. But when you're asking for nudity just because, I don't see why they'd need to redirect sources just so they can show more skin. 

You guys just like to automatically assume so much about my interests just because I don't agree.

[Angrywolves]

Schumacher, or was it Ninja Stan said in another thread months ago that having romances in the games doesn't take resources away from other parts of the game.
He said something like video game companies don't work that way.
Words to that effect.
shrugs.
So it's a phony argument to say otherwise , at least as far as Bioware operates.

[cjones91]

Incantrix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Incantrix wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

What does all the killing in an rpg bring to a game artistically .
This isn't the Louve, Rembrant, or Picasso.
The artistic claim is ridiculous .
People that hate romances in DA should just say so and forget making convoluted excuses.

On the contrary. I like the romance. However, I don't want them ruined by unnecessary  porn scenes "just because"

Is rather them put the potential resources into other more important things.

Such as combat?Because if there's one thing I don't get about you anti nudity folks is you claim it's "unnecessary" or porn but you guys sure as hell seem to like seeing guts,blood,and blown up limbs in games.

Sure! Environment, combat....so many more significant things than nudity. 

Sure, ME scenes are ok. But once you start getting into witcher scenes, it's just nudity because "boobs lol". I have no problem with artistic nudity. But when you're asking for nudity just because, I don't see why they'd need to redirect sources just so they can show more skin. 

You guys just like to automatically assume so much about my interests just because I don't agree.

Who determines what is significant?Because to some people things like combat are not important so nudity should'nt be subject to some threshold when every non blind person has either seen themselves nude or someone else.