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[Former_Fiend]

Incantrix wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I will say that while I can take it or leave it when it comes to nudity in games, I think there's something wrong when it is some how acceptable to feature nudity with the intent to horrify and disgust- such as with the Broodmother and the Mother- but it is not acceptable to show nudity in a positive fashion, such as a loving romance scene.

Oooooh my gosh. I don't think people are upset over seeing some boobs. I think the whole point , just like Gaider said is that adding more nudity for the sake of adding more nudity does nothing for the games romance plots. It doesn't make them more dark and edgy, all it is, is just more boobs.

You will never capture the real look and emotion of sex with animated pixels, so it really adds nothing. I'd rather they improve upon other things rather than trying to capture the essence of love making in a bunch of pixels. Efforts are futile.

I have absolutely no problem with nudity in the media when it has a purpose. What some of you are suggesting is just unnecessary.

I'm certainly not suggesting adding nudity for the sake of nudity. I also have issues with the implication that boobs make things "darker and edgier"; I agree with Gaider that it doesn't do that, though I'm not sure the same reasons led us to that conclusion.

What I do think is that including nudity in situations, such as the Broodmother, where it is there to disgust us, and with the Desire demon, where it is there to signify lust and temptation, says something bad about our society. We associate our bodies with the negative; it's disgusting, it's dirty, it's something to be ashamed of. I think that sends the wrong message. 

The fact that half the people in this thread seem to be associating any sort of positive display of nudity in the game to be a form of titilation and equating it to porn seems to back me up on this; they don't appear to have a problem with the Mother's eight ****** bouncing around because it's gross, but if Morrigan or Isabela were to actually be bare breasted in their romance scenes, that would have been dirty to them.

I also disagree with your assessment that we'll "never" be able to capture the emotion of a love scene with animated pixels. We're a long way off from that, to be sure, but the sheer leaps and bounds we've taken in the quality of animation in the last five years alone gives me hope that it'll be doable soon enough. 

Again, though, I'm not advocating the inclusion of nudity, at least, certainly not for the sake of it. As I've said, my only hope is that they use better censoring techniques than putting underwear on characters when it doesn't make sense for them to be wearing it. Use of creative camera angles and blocking should suffice. 

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Unless the game is already with a restricted rating AND already highly controversial it makes all round zero sense and we all already know there won't be female nipples. (which should be your thread title)

Hypothetically speaking I personally don't think there should or shouldn't be nudity for it's own sake. However, if there is a scene where nudity makes sense and identically underweared nevernudes don't, then yes nudity plox.
It doesn't even have to break the cardinal sin of the female nipple- the first mass effect had "TV nudity" and it worked well, apart from the fact that Mshep is secretly Kaidan and Liara is Fshep roleplaying a smurf.

dragonflight288 wrote...
Example: Some people approach the
Witcher 2 as a porno, with a plot to tie in one sex scene to the next.
Many do not, but some do, and they buy the game and play it simply for
the nudity.

lol have you played it? It's a horible porno. I think it's literally impossible anyone paid for it when there's good
stuff on the interwebs for free
 

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

Only if there is an equal amount of penis. I've seen a lot of boob, while nice, is kind of boring without the whole package.

If anything this is definitely why there will probably never be full nudity, at least not in this game. Even now in movies it's such a big deal to show a penis (outside of a Judd Apatow comedy). I don't know why, maybe it makes all those chaste conservative women lose their fath and ruin their good Christianly lives, and we can't have that kind of madness.

But penis=clitoris/=breasts.

Also, Hodor would like a hodor with you

Angrywolves wrote...

Go read it yourself.
I'm under no obligation to provide anybody any sources.
Go goggle it.
Maybe somebody will provide a link.I'm not on a pc, so I can't do links. You'll probably accuse me of lying.
Couldn't care less.
Believe whatever you like, like most people on the BSN.

Why do
you type like
that.

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 26 septembre 2013 - 12:06 .

[JimboGee]

The Witcher had it. God of War had it.****, they even had a mini-game If your going to have a scene involving two people who are clearly doing more than resting their eyes then nudity is the way to go. All the people worried about "controversy" did you know that GTA paid for bad press? Let's face it the more something comes across as wrong the more people want it.

[cjones91]

Incantrix wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I will say that while I can take it or leave it when it comes to nudity in games, I think there's something wrong when it is some how acceptable to feature nudity with the intent to horrify and disgust- such as with the Broodmother and the Mother- but it is not acceptable to show nudity in a positive fashion, such as a loving romance scene.

Oooooh my gosh. I don't think people are upset over seeing some boobs. I think the whole point , just like Gaider said is that adding more nudity for the sake of adding more nudity does nothing for the games romance plots. It doesn't make them more dark and edgy, all it is, is just more boobs.

You will never capture the real look and emotion of sex with animated pixels, so it really adds nothing. I'd rather they improve upon other things rather than trying to capture the essence of love making in a bunch of pixels. Efforts are futile.

I have absolutely no problem with nudity in the media when it has a purpose. What some of you are suggesting is just unnecessary.

How do you define unnecessary/

[Neon Rising Winter]

JimboGee wrote...

The Witcher had it. God of War had it.****, they even had a mini-game If your going to have a scene involving two people who are clearly doing more than resting their eyes then nudity is the way to go. All the people worried about "controversy" did you know that GTA paid for bad press? Let's face it the more something comes across as wrong the more people want it.

It's not always the way to go, it's all about the context. If you're going for the full two act performance with intermission, sure. But who on earth strips for a crafty quicky? The problem so far has been the clothing level has often not been in harmony with the on screen activity. They just need to be brought into balance one way or the other.

[GreenSoda]

Incantrix wrote...
You will never capture the real look and emotion of sex with animated pixels, so it really adds nothing.

Not with that attitude, you won't...but seriously this kind of arguing is pretty bad. "If you can't do it the best way, don't even try ?"

Nothing would get done with that philosophy.

...of course this whole discussion is moot if BW is set on not including nudity ever. Imo, that's a pity. Shortly after the whole fox "news" ("ME is showing porn to our kids !!!") outrage, BW devs sounded a bit more defiant. Now it's apparently PC'ness all the way.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 26 septembre 2013 - 02:23 .

[Br3admax]

Narrow Margin wrote...

JimboGee wrote...

The Witcher had it. God of War had it.****, they even had a mini-game If your going to have a scene involving two people who are clearly doing more than resting their eyes then nudity is the way to go. All the people worried about "controversy" did you know that GTA paid for bad press? Let's face it the more something comes across as wrong the more people want it.

It's not always the way to go, it's all about the context. If you're going for the full two act performance with intermission, sure. But who on earth strips for a crafty quicky? The problem so far has been the clothing level has often not been in harmony with the on screen activity. They just need to be brought into balance one way or the other.

More importantly, the game isn't about having sex, it's about complex relationship with characters. The characters themselves and their feelings are much more important than sleeping with eight people to get red orbs for mah Blades of Athena.

Modifié par Br3ad, 26 septembre 2013 - 02:24 .

[Archaven]

Lol i'm viewing alot of westerners are like muslims. So afraid of nipples? Many games has topless even FarCry 3. It's not a big deal of nudity.

It's only Bioware devs are conservatives. Even Desire Demon with metal cap on the nipples? Oh my.. For god's sake look at Castlevania Lords of Shadows.

[Br3admax]

 Even Dragon Age has nudity; that's not the point.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Br3ad wrote...
More importantly, the game isn't about having sex, it's about complex relationship with characters. The characters themselves and their feelings are much more important than sleeping with eight people to get red orbs for mah Blades of Athena.

Although it makes a difference from the standard fetch quest I suppose!

[mikeymoonshine]

Um :/

Well I see no need for nudity but I am not against it either. Proper sex scenes with nudity in them would be kinda weird though.

I certainly don't wanna see Bioware bending to the will of the censorship people who want to ban everything though.

[Mikoto8472]

Hmm. Nudity in DA:I...

Sure, why not? It looked strange seeing my Warden do her thing with Zevran whilst still in pants and bra.

[Archaven]

Mikoto8472 wrote...

Hmm. Nudity in DA:I...

Sure, why not? It looked strange seeing my Warden do her thing with Zevran whilst still in pants and bra.

I've seen some movies which are topless as well. So by conservative people's theory there shouldn't be nudity in matured movies as well as it not required?  LOL.

Anyway i don't think Bioware will ever dare or brave to go for nudity. So I guess everyone should just chill. Even Ken Levine is afraid of these huge mobs of closed minded fans and press about Elizabeth large chest size and has to reduce them in the final game.

[Karach_Blade]

I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with nudity as long as the men get naked as well. XD I'd also like to see things such as the Inquisitor getting ambushed while bathing in the river and having to really fend for themselves until help arrives.

[DarthSliver]

Former_Fiend wrote...

Incantrix wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I will say that while I can take it or leave it when it comes to nudity in games, I think there's something wrong when it is some how acceptable to feature nudity with the intent to horrify and disgust- such as with the Broodmother and the Mother- but it is not acceptable to show nudity in a positive fashion, such as a loving romance scene.

Oooooh my gosh. I don't think people are upset over seeing some boobs. I think the whole point , just like Gaider said is that adding more nudity for the sake of adding more nudity does nothing for the games romance plots. It doesn't make them more dark and edgy, all it is, is just more boobs.

You will never capture the real look and emotion of sex with animated pixels, so it really adds nothing. I'd rather they improve upon other things rather than trying to capture the essence of love making in a bunch of pixels. Efforts are futile.

I have absolutely no problem with nudity in the media when it has a purpose. What some of you are suggesting is just unnecessary.

I'm certainly not suggesting adding nudity for the sake of nudity. I also have issues with the implication that boobs make things "darker and edgier"; I agree with Gaider that it doesn't do that, though I'm not sure the same reasons led us to that conclusion.

What I do think is that including nudity in situations, such as the Broodmother, where it is there to disgust us, and with the Desire demon, where it is there to signify lust and temptation, says something bad about our society. We associate our bodies with the negative; it's disgusting, it's dirty, it's something to be ashamed of. I think that sends the wrong message. 

The fact that half the people in this thread seem to be associating any sort of positive display of nudity in the game to be a form of titilation and equating it to porn seems to back me up on this; they don't appear to have a problem with the Mother's eight ****** bouncing around because it's gross, but if Morrigan or Isabela were to actually be bare breasted in their romance scenes, that would have been dirty to them.

I also disagree with your assessment that we'll "never" be able to capture the emotion of a love scene with animated pixels. We're a long way off from that, to be sure, but the sheer leaps and bounds we've taken in the quality of animation in the last five years alone gives me hope that it'll be doable soon enough. 

Again, though, I'm not advocating the inclusion of nudity, at least, certainly not for the sake of it. As I've said, my only hope is that they use better censoring techniques than putting underwear on characters when it doesn't make sense for them to be wearing it. Use of creative camera angles and blocking should suffice. 

I am more or less for a romance scene like in ME1 because it seems Bioware goes out their way to do the underwear romance since the fox news media incident. Every Bioware game that has follow since ME1 does the underwear sex scenes like Bioware is afraid to get that kind of coverage on their game again. I am not asking for nudity if Bioware doesnt want to, just a romance scene that when it is done it feels real and not fake like most of the underwear romance scenes. 

With that being said you bring an excellent point, why are people ok with Desire Demon Boobs and Broodmother boobs and not a romance scene for our characters that would show that?

[Rikketik]

It depends on whether the romance scenes will be shown or not. I have no problem with a "sexy discretion shot" (i.e. very heavily implying the sex but not actually showing it), like they did in ME3. But if you're going to show it, then you should show everything. Romance scenes as done in DA:O are something I never want to see again. Besides, there's a difference between showing nudity because it will make the game all dark and edgy or to titillate, and showing nudity in a matter-of-fact way because, hey, we're all adults here.

[nightscrawl]

David Gaider wrote...

Not going to happen.

Just because the rating allows something doesn't mean we should do it, or that we're even interested. It has nothing to do with censorship, nothing to do with us thinking sex is "filthy", and nothing to do with us being afraid of the subject. It's a matter of taste, as in our taste and what we think fits DA's tone. We do plenty of things in DA that earn the M rating, and In our opinion having nudity/sex just because it's possible wouldn't make the game darker or edgier (if that was even something we thought was a worthwhile goal).

What we'll do in DAI with regards to these scenes is something we may or may not discuss prior to release-- so you might have to wait until the game comes out to see what direction we've chosen, I'm not sure. We've discussed improvements-- the team has criticisms of both DAO's and DA2's approach-- but whatever the changes, I can assure you that nudity and "full blown sex scenes" are not in the cards.

I'm glad to see this. I felt that the DAO scenes were awkward, and I preferred the DA2 fade to black. I felt that using my imagination was more rewarding on that front. I suppose I would ultimately prefer a combination of the two: going a little farther before then fading to black, without showing an actual sex scene, as in DAO.


Many people may be familiar with the fade to black scene in Gone with the Wind. Scarlett and Rhett are having this fight, he carries her upstairs while struggling, and it fades to black. The next morning, not only does the previous dialog support the fact that they just had sex, but Scarlett is shown sighing very satisfactorily. Did we really need to see it? No.

The movie Real Steel (about fighting robots) has a scene that has stuck with me for its romance/emotional impact. Even though there are suggestions of feelings between the two characters, since the movie isn't about the romance, the scene isn't really "romantic" in a conventional sense, and only confirms for the audience the characters' feelings.

In the scene, some negative stuff has happened previously, and Charlie (Hugh Jackman) returns to the shop/garage/home of Bailey (Evangeline Lilly). It's nighttime and he goes into her bedroom, lays down beside her, holds her, and then it fades out to the next morning. Before the fade out, you see her open her eyes, knowing it's Charlie, then she closes her eyes again and they both sleep.

The reason I like that scene is because, while the movie isn't about the romance, it contains a bit of romance in it, so sex is not the culmination of the romance. The audience knows that at some point in the future they're going to have sex, because that's a thing that happens, but it wasn't important for the movie, or the development of the relationship that we saw in the movie.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 26 septembre 2013 - 05:46 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't think the sex scenes themselves are necessary. I wouldn't mind at all if they went away.

But I still think nudity can be used in a way that improves the game. Furthermore, if the game intends to avoid nudity, then it needs to be carefully designed to avoid situations where nudity would be appropriate (and that's hard to do, since the central character is designed by the player, so controlling him is largely beyond the developers' control).

The lack of nudity where there should be nudity is exactly as jarring as the presence of nudity where it doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 26 septembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Adanu]

David Gaider wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Fade to black sucks. It suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. We're all adults here, and just having a fade to black scene without at least showing a little bit of foreplay first is just boring. CDprojektRed has full blown sex scenes and shows it works just fine.

Come on Bioware, bring on the filthy!

Not going to happen.

Just because the rating allows something doesn't mean we should do it, or that we're even interested. It has nothing to do with censorship, nothing to do with us thinking sex is "filthy", and nothing to do with us being afraid of the subject. It's a matter of taste, as in our taste and what we think fits DA's tone. We do plenty of things in DA that earn the M rating, and In our opinion having nudity/sex just because it's possible wouldn't make the game darker or edgier (if that was even something we thought was a worthwhile goal).

What we'll do in DAI with regards to these scenes is something we may or may not discuss prior to release-- so you might have to wait until the game comes out to see what direction we've chosen, I'm not sure. We've discussed improvements-- the team has criticisms of both DAO's and DA2's approach-- but whatever the changes, I can assure you that nudity and "full blown sex scenes" are not in the cards.

If someone prefers that, and holds up CDProjekt as an example of how it "works just fine"-- awesome. Witcher's that way. I'm certain that having games on the market with multiple approaches to the topic is quite viable.

Translation: We're too afraid of the backlash from Fox News and others to not cater to prudes.

[ScarMK]

Adanu wrote...

Translation: We're too afraid of the backlash from Fox News and others to not cater to prudes.

Right, because Bioware's view on the LGBT group totally falls in line with Fox news.  I forgot about that.

[cjones91]

ScarMK wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Translation: We're too afraid of the backlash from Fox News and others to not cater to prudes.

Right, because Bioware's view on the LGBT group totally falls in line with Fox news.  I forgot about that.

True,but they seem afraid to show nudity just like other game devs and it's because of the ME1 Faux News uproar.

Modifié par cjones91, 26 septembre 2013 - 06:41 .

[Reznore57]

Well I would say that Bioware looks prudish .
I think it's Jessica Merrizan who said she blushed when she saw the Traynor/Shepard shower scene.
I guess it's possible if you were raised in Victorian England?
I mean where I live there are soap tv commercial just raunchier than that whole scene.
It was not sexy ,it was awkward...DAO sex scene were really really awkward too ( can't help but think of the Team America puppet sex everytime).

They should keep on with the fade to black .
As for nudity , well the whole never nude is ridiculous but I suppose it's better than seeing boobs everywhere while men all keep their precious pants on.

[cjones91]

Reznore57 wrote...

Well I would say that Bioware looks prudish .
I think it's Jessica Merrizan who said she blushed when she saw the Traynor/Shepard shower scene.
I guess it's possible if you were raised in Victorian England?
I mean where I live there are soap tv commercial just raunchier than that whole scene.
It was not sexy ,it was awkward...DAO sex scene were really really awkward too ( can't help but think of the Team America puppet sex everytime).

They should keep on with the fade to black .
As for nudity , well the whole never nude is ridiculous but I suppose it's better than seeing boobs everywhere while men all keep their precious pants on.

You never played GTA5 have you?There's a cult hidden in the game where all the men walk around nude and their bits hanging out.

[Former_Fiend]

Anyone here ever see the movie Eastern Promises? If you haven't, check it out, it's a great film. Viggo got robbed at the Oscars.

Anyway, set up's simple; Viggo Mortensen plays an undercover cop infiltrating the Russian mob. During one scene he's jumped in the sauna by hit men from a rival family and is forced to fend them off while bare-ass naked. You end up seeing pretty much everything.

Now, the nudity in the scene is not there to titillate or to entice, nor is it there to disgust. It serves three purposes; firstly to show Viggo's vulnerability during the scene, secondly to highlight the animalistic nature of the violence being displayed(it really is a brutal scene).

But most of all, he's naked because it makes sense for him to be naked. He was in a sauna when they attacked. He was wearing a towel and nothing else; that's what people wear in the sauna. It makes sense for him to be attacked there; he won't be prepared for it, he won't be carrying a weapon.

It doesn't make sense for Samantha Traynor to be wearing her lacy black bra and panties in the shower. It doesn't make sense for all of Shepard and their LI's to wake up fully clothed after the party in the Citadel dlc. It doesn't make sense for Morrigan to be wearing a bra when her standard outfit makes it fairly obvious that she doesn't.

Now, again, I'm not necessarily asking for full on nudity.Just find better means of censorship if you refuse to show it.