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[cjones91]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JSlither wrote...

If there's a ****house that we visit for whatever reason I wanna see some nekkidniss.

Any nudity in the game should be done with taste and good reason. I have no interest in pornography in my DA. There's enough of it in my hard drive >:]

Nudity is not porn!You have seen yourself naked thousands of times during your life just like everyone else,so does that mean everyone is involved in some world wide porno?No it does'nt.

But where else would be a place to see appropriate nudity than an establishement that has you paying others for fornication? Presumably, they'd want you to inspect the goods to know what your buying, or not, depending on the legitimacy of the establishment.

Either you need to have nudity in sexual settings, as it is appropriate, or you don't, which calls into question the nudity in other scenes. Why the denial over this?

Because nudity is regarded as being natural,in many countries people even walk around nude with family members present.It's only America's outdated puritan values that treats the naked body as something to be ashamed of.

[Plaintiff]

cjones91 wrote...
The point is Bioware does'nt want any heat from the prudish idiots that are still in control of America,Fix News called ME1 a sex simulator and just like every one of their stories they did'nt check the facts.Bioware is wary of attracting the ire of the idiot prudish masses and so they put in sex scenes with characters doing it in their underwear.

As for you last point..the DA series is a mature game,that means gore,violence,blood,strong language and sometimes even nudity.

Bioware is not afraid of Fox News. The "prudish idiots" that pay attention to Fox's fearmongering don't buy video games anyway.

[Cainhurst Crow]

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Translation: We're too afraid of the backlash from Fox News and others to not cater to prudes.

Right, because Bioware's view on the LGBT group totally falls in line with Fox news.  I forgot about that.

True,but they seem afraid to show nudity just like other game devs and it's because of the ME1 Faux News uproar.

If you really think that, than I pity you and your deluded view on the power a single throw away story on fox news has.

Alot of idiots watch Fox News...the same time type of idiots that make a uproar about any time nudity in games.And quite frankly I was simply making a observation so save the condescending attitude for someone else because I'm not deluded.

Than don't post like a deluded person. It's the easiest way to not be condescended to.

How was my post deluded?It's a simple fact Bioware got some heat from Fox News over the ME1 Femshep/Liara sex scene and that may have contributed to them being squemish in regards to adding nudity in their games.

Except there wasn't actually any nudity involved. An ass shot and some bear skin, oh my that's so much naughty bits. <_<

People seem to act like bioware put hardcore full frontals in their games and only stopped whem fox news got wind of it, but than when you actually see the mass effect romance scenes from the previous games, most of it is done with a fade to blacks and angles that don't show anything, which is less than what actual nudity is.

And the reason that ME1 had these types of scenes, and DAO didn't, did come down to 2 different development teams working on two different projects. Hell, the DA team even barrowed this technique in making the DA2 scenes, the fade to black sequences, which than people complained about. And did those added mature scenes actuall add anything to the game? Not really, nothing a previous fade to black or pan away wouldn't have accomplished.

I don't see how bioware was any more open to nudity in the past than it is now.

The point is Bioware does'nt want any heat from the prudish idiots that are still in control of America,Fix News called ME1 a sex simulator and just like every one of their stories they did'nt check the facts.Bioware is wary of attracting the ire of the idiot prudish masses and so they put in sex scenes with characters doing it in their underwear.

As for you last point..the DA series is a mature game,that means gore,violence,blood,strong language and sometimes even nudity.

Sometimes nudity, but everytime? That's what your statement there seems to imply, that becasue DA is a mature game, it is required to have nudity along with the gore, violence, blood, and strong language. You seem to assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is just prudish, that isn't very nice or respectful, or very adult for that matter.

And maybe this is just me, and my crazy prudish fringe talking, but what if the reason bioware doesn't want nudity in their romance scenes, is because they don't share your preference for where nudity should or shouldn't apply? Maybe, more crazy talk coming, they aren't being strong armed by some tyranical group of massess who still faint at the thought of nudity in a vidya gaem, but becasue they don't want to animate, create, and put efforts to, something that could be accomplished with a fade to black?

Fox news only complained about the romance sequences and their ass shot/non-nude clevage shots, and it is the most logical place one could assume to find nudity. So before you say I'm focusing in on a signle issue, it's only because it's the most obvious and present place where appropriate nudity could actually apply reasonably.

[cjones91]

Plaintiff wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The point is Bioware does'nt want any heat from the prudish idiots that are still in control of America,Fix News called ME1 a sex simulator and just like every one of their stories they did'nt check the facts.Bioware is wary of attracting the ire of the idiot prudish masses and so they put in sex scenes with characters doing it in their underwear.

As for you last point..the DA series is a mature game,that means gore,violence,blood,strong language and sometimes even nudity.

Bioware is not afraid of Fox News. The "prudish idiots" that pay attention to Fox's fearmongering don't buy video games anyway.

Agreed,but a bunch of idiots can cause a headache when they gather together and Bioware clearly does'nt want that.

[Cainhurst Crow]

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JSlither wrote...

If there's a ****house that we visit for whatever reason I wanna see some nekkidniss.

Any nudity in the game should be done with taste and good reason. I have no interest in pornography in my DA. There's enough of it in my hard drive >:]

Nudity is not porn!You have seen yourself naked thousands of times during your life just like everyone else,so does that mean everyone is involved in some world wide porno?No it does'nt.

But where else would be a place to see appropriate nudity than an establishement that has you paying others for fornication? Presumably, they'd want you to inspect the goods to know what your buying, or not, depending on the legitimacy of the establishment.

Either you need to have nudity in sexual settings, as it is appropriate, or you don't, which calls into question the nudity in other scenes. Why the denial over this?

Because nudity is regarded as being natural,in many countries people even walk around nude with family members present.It's only America's outdated puritan values that treats the naked body as something to be ashamed of.

Well than maybe those countries should try making some video games than, instead of trying to force their views and their morality onto a company who isn't even located in their country. The witcher's a great example of this, I don't see why other countries can't do what CDPR did and make video games themselves with their countries norms and standards and tastes and let the market for their game decide if it's better or not.

Or is canada some nude mecca where everyone walks around butt naked like it's no big deal? Because I'm pretty sure it's mentality when it came to nudity was pretty much the same as the united states. And bioware is stationed, at least the majority of it, in the united states and canada. And the divisions of bioware who are making this game, are located in canada. And the people working on the game, are americans and canadians.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 26 septembre 2013 - 11:02 .

[David7204]

There seem to be a few people in this thread who believe for some reason that they only possible reason developers would ever omit nudity from a 'mature' game is because they're afraid of backlash.

Modifié par David7204, 26 septembre 2013 - 11:05 .

[cjones91]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JSlither wrote...

If there's a ****house that we visit for whatever reason I wanna see some nekkidniss.

Any nudity in the game should be done with taste and good reason. I have no interest in pornography in my DA. There's enough of it in my hard drive >:]

Nudity is not porn!You have seen yourself naked thousands of times during your life just like everyone else,so does that mean everyone is involved in some world wide porno?No it does'nt.

But where else would be a place to see appropriate nudity than an establishement that has you paying others for fornication? Presumably, they'd want you to inspect the goods to know what your buying, or not, depending on the legitimacy of the establishment.

Either you need to have nudity in sexual settings, as it is appropriate, or you don't, which calls into question the nudity in other scenes. Why the denial over this?

Because nudity is regarded as being natural,in many countries people even walk around nude with family members present.It's only America's outdated puritan values that treats the naked body as something to be ashamed of.

Well than maybe those countries should try making some video games than, instead of trying to force their views and their morality onto a company who isn't even located in their country. The witcher's a great example of this, I don't see why other countries can't do what CDPR did and make video games themselves with their countries norms and standards and tastes and let the market for their game decide if it's better or not.

Or is canada some nude mecca where everyone walks around butt naked like it's no big deal? Because I'm pretty sure it's mentality when it came to nudity was pretty much the same as the united states. And bioware is stationed, at least the majority of it, in the united states and canada. And the divisions of bioware who are making this game, are located in canada. And the people working on the game, are americans and canadians.

Their bosses are a American company that answers to shareholders.A bunch of idiots running around calling your games sex simulators because they have nudity in them is a headache most shareholders don't want to deal with.

[cjones91]

David7204 wrote...

There seem to be a few people in this thread who believe for some reason that they only possible reason developers would omit nudity from a 'mature' game is because they're afraid of backlash.

It's usually true most of the time.

[David7204]

I really don't think it is.

[Cainhurst Crow]

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JSlither wrote...

If there's a ****house that we visit for whatever reason I wanna see some nekkidniss.

Any nudity in the game should be done with taste and good reason. I have no interest in pornography in my DA. There's enough of it in my hard drive >:]

Nudity is not porn!You have seen yourself naked thousands of times during your life just like everyone else,so does that mean everyone is involved in some world wide porno?No it does'nt.

But where else would be a place to see appropriate nudity than an establishement that has you paying others for fornication? Presumably, they'd want you to inspect the goods to know what your buying, or not, depending on the legitimacy of the establishment.

Either you need to have nudity in sexual settings, as it is appropriate, or you don't, which calls into question the nudity in other scenes. Why the denial over this?

Because nudity is regarded as being natural,in many countries people even walk around nude with family members present.It's only America's outdated puritan values that treats the naked body as something to be ashamed of.

Well than maybe those countries should try making some video games than, instead of trying to force their views and their morality onto a company who isn't even located in their country. The witcher's a great example of this, I don't see why other countries can't do what CDPR did and make video games themselves with their countries norms and standards and tastes and let the market for their game decide if it's better or not.

Or is canada some nude mecca where everyone walks around butt naked like it's no big deal? Because I'm pretty sure it's mentality when it came to nudity was pretty much the same as the united states. And bioware is stationed, at least the majority of it, in the united states and canada. And the divisions of bioware who are making this game, are located in canada. And the people working on the game, are americans and canadians.

Their bosses are a American company that answers to shareholders.A bunch of idiots running around calling your games sex simulators because they have nudity in them is a headache most shareholders don't want to deal with.

Yes. because the majroity of EA stock and share holders are a bunch of bumpkins who care about the children and exposing them to evil evil naughty thoughts.

Remember when I said not to post like a deluded person and I wouldn't condescend to you? You just posted like a deluded person, again.

[cjones91]

David7204 wrote...

I really don't think it is.

Look up Hot Coffee mod and other stories where games were boycotted because they showed nudity.You underestimate the power idiots have when they have something to complain about and rally behind,not to mention the lawmakers listen to these idiots so they can get votes.

[David7204]

You are seriously estimating the maturity and necessity of nudity. Along with blood, gore, and language.

I can think of several works that tried to be mature with such things and just ended up falling on their face. However, I can't think of a single 'immature' work that I think would somehow be made mature if it had more nudity and language.

And I'm not talking about something like Duke Nuken that deliberately tried to be over the top.

Modifié par David7204, 26 septembre 2013 - 11:13 .

[cjones91]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JSlither wrote...

If there's a ****house that we visit for whatever reason I wanna see some nekkidniss.

Any nudity in the game should be done with taste and good reason. I have no interest in pornography in my DA. There's enough of it in my hard drive >:]

Nudity is not porn!You have seen yourself naked thousands of times during your life just like everyone else,so does that mean everyone is involved in some world wide porno?No it does'nt.

But where else would be a place to see appropriate nudity than an establishement that has you paying others for fornication? Presumably, they'd want you to inspect the goods to know what your buying, or not, depending on the legitimacy of the establishment.

Either you need to have nudity in sexual settings, as it is appropriate, or you don't, which calls into question the nudity in other scenes. Why the denial over this?

Because nudity is regarded as being natural,in many countries people even walk around nude with family members present.It's only America's outdated puritan values that treats the naked body as something to be ashamed of.

Well than maybe those countries should try making some video games than, instead of trying to force their views and their morality onto a company who isn't even located in their country. The witcher's a great example of this, I don't see why other countries can't do what CDPR did and make video games themselves with their countries norms and standards and tastes and let the market for their game decide if it's better or not.

Or is canada some nude mecca where everyone walks around butt naked like it's no big deal? Because I'm pretty sure it's mentality when it came to nudity was pretty much the same as the united states. And bioware is stationed, at least the majority of it, in the united states and canada. And the divisions of bioware who are making this game, are located in canada. And the people working on the game, are americans and canadians.

Their bosses are a American company that answers to shareholders.A bunch of idiots running around calling your games sex simulators because they have nudity in them is a headache most shareholders don't want to deal with.

Yes. because the majroity of EA stock and share holders are a bunch of bumpkins who care about the children and exposing them to evil evil naughty thoughts.

Remember when I said not to post like a deluded person and I wouldn't condescend to you? You just posted like a deluded person, again.

Care to explain how I said anything that sounded deluded in my post?Shareholders don't like it when people especially idiots effect their botton line and so they avoid doing things that may cause a headache.

Modifié par cjones91, 26 septembre 2013 - 11:14 .

[Angrywolves]

I don't have to persuade anyone of anything darth.
It's a videogame, not some quantum theory that I as a scientist would have to convince my fellow physicists to accepy.
It's not that important .
You're not that important.
The fans aren't capable of being convinced by any argument , rational or irrational .
There are fans that like romance.
I am one of them.
Bioware says we're a small percentage of the fan base, that most DA fans don't do the romances. So it
perplexes me why there's so much venom and so much nonsense directed at the romance fans by the romance haters.
I guess because some romance fans are quite vocal.
I guess you don't find romance necessary in anything .
Maybe not even in your own life.
"Romance" is not a cause for me.
It is for some .
You say most people don't care. Obviously you haven't read the forum very much and you're ignorant of all the threads made and all the passions involved.
So there's no cause for me.
Gaider has said he intends to cut back on the romances.

[Angrywolves]

Bethesda has proven you don't need romances to make a highly successful rpg.
No cause for me.
So anyone who thinks it is or mistakenly believes I must convince the BSN of anything is deluding themselves.

[Bigdoser]

Just do it like mass effect its not full blown and its tastefully done.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Angrywolves wrote...

Bethesda has proven you don't need romances to make a highly successful rpg.
No cause for me.
So anyone who thinks it is or mistakenly believes I must convince the BSN of anything is deluding themselves.

To go completely off topic for a moment. You know the formatting of your posts always makes me want to try and turn them into a series of haiku.

[JimboGee]

It kinda reminds me of south park. "Deplorable violence( or sex in this case) is OK as long as nobody says any naughty words( or shows anything blow the shoulders)".

[cjones91]

JimboGee wrote...

It kinda reminds me of south park. "Deplorable violence( or sex in this case) is OK as long as nobody says any naughty words( or shows anything blow the shoulders)".

Agreed,many people have weird standards for what they consider to be appropiate in games

[Angrywolves]

It's what I'm using to post.
I hope in a few months to have another pc and things will look diffferent.
The people on the BSN have their minds made up about this.
No one is going to be persuaded to change their mind by someone on the other side.
It would be a waste of time to even try.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Perhaps they should just cut the romances all together.

Of course that would lead to certain posters leaving in a raaaaaage but that's a price I'm willing to pay.

[Steelcan]

greengoron89 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Perhaps they should just cut the romances all together.

Of course that would lead to certain posters leaving in a raaaaaage but that's a price I'm willing to pay.

Good riddance I say. Bring on the no-mances, Bioware.

I approve of this

[Br3admax]

While romances do sort of add to the characters, the romance dialogue is among some of the worst and cheesiest, IMO. And a lot of time, I find them as pointless filler. More problems than one would be solved by just removing them altogether.