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[Deflagratio]

It's barely possible to overcome the awkward collision hurdles of a handshake, and you people want full penetration intercourse scenes? You can get an idea of how graceful it'll look by googling "KC-10 Refueling gone wrong."

Nudity alone is another matter which I support on principal as an American subject to the abject horror of the human body, but the celebration of obscene violence. That said, I'd still **** (<-Rooster, but used in the same context as what you do for a gun before firing) an eyebrow if my job description included "Modeling the labia of a Dwarf Female". So I won't wag a finger.

There's a big difference between Nudity and "Nudity in a sexual context" though. As far as the ESRB is concerned, the difference between the Former and Latter is an M and and Ao rating. As far as I'm concerned its the difference between tasteful and distasteful. Tasteful nudity overcomes the unnatural shame imprinted on humans by corrupt systems of morality governance, distasteful points at a penis and says "OMG U GUYZ LOOK WHUT IT CAN DO LOL".

Modifié par Deflagratio, 27 septembre 2013 - 07:30 .

[Toasted Llama]

Bioware can easily solve this issue by doing 1, important thing.

Allow people to mod the game EASILY.

Et voila.

People can mod the game to their desire and Bioware can create a vanilla game that isn't obligatory to include nudity.

I mean, the amount of nudity mods on DA:O is just... wow. And still oooh sooo expectable.

[Br3admax]

I don't know where this nonsense about being afraid of the human body came from, but you should send it back. That is not the issue here, no matter how many times you try to make it such. The issue is that there is no point to strip people down, when that's not the focus of the game. it's not even the focus of the romance scenes. Go outside, right now, and ask 60 different people if they are afraid of boobs. See if your theory still holds water.

[mopotter]

I have to admit I've finally reached the point I don't care. I loved ME1's romance sex scene and something like this with a bit of variety for different romances would be great. Hate the ME3 underwear in the shower or bed and thought the DA:O and DA2 were rather silly. So if they are going to do it, do it well and if not, just hold hands, go to the bedroom and close the door, or throw your lover over your shoulder and go towards the bed or something romantic, blow out the candles.

I would like to be able to hug and kiss anywhere and any time. That was something i enjoyed in DA:O and the comments were great.

[Iakus]

mopotter wrote...

I have to admit I've finally reached the point I don't care. I loved ME1's romance sex scene and something like this with a bit of variety for different romances would be great. Hate the ME3 underwear in the shower or bed and thought the DA:O and DA2 were rather silly. So if they are going to do it, do it well and if not, just hold hands, go to the bedroom and close the door, or throw your lover over your shoulder and go towards the bed or something romantic, blow out the candles.

I would like to be able to hug and kiss anywhere and any time. That was something i enjoyed in DA:O and the comments were great.

Yeah being able to show signs of affection is nice.  But it doesn't have to involve tearing each others' clothes off.

[mopotter]

iakus wrote...

mopotter wrote...

I have to admit I've finally reached the point I don't care. I loved ME1's romance sex scene and something like this with a bit of variety for different romances would be great. Hate the ME3 underwear in the shower or bed and thought the DA:O and DA2 were rather silly. So if they are going to do it, do it well and if not, just hold hands, go to the bedroom and close the door, or throw your lover over your shoulder and go towards the bed or something romantic, blow out the candles.

I would like to be able to hug and kiss anywhere and any time. That was something i enjoyed in DA:O and the comments were great.

Yeah being able to show signs of affection is nice.  But it doesn't have to involve tearing each others' clothes off.

Yep, the idea of tearing off the clothing might be a nice bit of comedy routine.  You trip over things and fall or knock yourself out hitting your head on the door because your shirt is over your eyes, scene goes black.   Haylofts also are not as romantic as they look on tv.  The hay is itchy.   

I will always love what they did in ME1.  music, lights, atmosphere.  

[Angrywolves]

I kind of expected to see more DAO mods.
On youtube. Not specfically about sex.
About everything . Disappointed in the number and overall quality of DAO mods I've seen.
Maybe people just aren't posting them on youtube. Or maybe it's hard to mod the game even with a toolkit.

[Deflagratio]

Br3ad wrote...

I don't know where this nonsense about being afraid of the human body came from, but you should send it back. That is not the issue here, no matter how many times you try to make it such. The issue is that there is no point to strip people down, when that's not the focus of the game. it's not even the focus of the romance scenes. Go outside, right now, and ask 60 different people if they are afraid of boobs. See if your theory still holds water.

In my experience, ****** are something to be feared. Like blood magic, most everyone is tempted by their existence, and when used properly, can alter a man's free will.

So I think you should rephrase your statement.

[Han Shot First]

Ukki wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Nudity does not necessarily equal mature. I just wanted to point that out as some people in this thread seem to be implying the opposite.

Take for example, the Witcher. The sex cards were both gratuitous and juvenile.

What?! Sex cards were hilarious. Collect the whole deck!

My prude-meter just squeaked when I took it close to your post.

You're tilting at wildmills sport. I'm not a prude that argues against nudity in either films or games. In fact I'm totally fine with even graphic sex scenes in films or games so long as they are not juvenile or gratuitous.

The sex cards failed on both counts.

What I am a fan of is good storytelling, which is why I said I liked the Rose of Remembrance scene between Geralt and Triss. How did the sex cards add to the story?

To be clear, since you apparently have misunderstood my posts, I'm neutral on the issue of nudity in Bioware games. I'm neutral because I see it as a non-issue that does not determine one way or the other whether the scene is good or not. Whether or not the scene works is determined by a whole host of other factors that have nothing to do with whether or not the scene features nudity. You can find examples of good scenes in games or films where nudity is not shown and you can find good scenes in games or films where characters are nude. You can also find plenty of examples of bad scenes for both.

[Angrywolves]

EA is allegedly antimod.
We know there won't be a toolkit.
Expect someone to deny that even though it's pretty clear it would be too expensive due to proprietary issues.
shrugs.

[Sylvius the Mad]

We're confident there won't be a toolset, but that doesn't necessarily make the game unmoddable. There's no requirement that the game's assets be locked up so tight that we can't extract and modify them just because there's no official toolset.

[deuce985]

It wouldn't bother me. I suppose it depends on how Bioware does it. If it's anything like the Witcher games then please do not put it in. Not only is the Witcher games crass with how they handle the nudity it's also borderline misogyny. Even worse, it adds nothing to the narrative and doesn't even make sense as to why Geralt is doing a few prostitutes missionary style. He's in the middle of a major political war/problem and he just decides he wants to have sex on the side constantly? You can do it over and over and over and never do you build relationships up in the game. Makes less sense because he's on a strict time schedule due to events unfolding around him. It never feels like it has a place in the story. They even make fun of it in Witcher 1 by collecting sex cards so you can add your next trophy to the deck. It's tastelss and absolutely pointless to the overaching narrative.

Now, if Bioware wanted to handle the nudity in a tasteful manner I would be all for it. The nudity has to play into the narrative too and I could see it working in a Bioware game. Bioware makes character-driven stories so you have to build the relationship up anyway.

Modifié par deuce985, 28 septembre 2013 - 06:15 .

[Vapaa]

Toasted Llama wrote...

I mean, the amount of nudity mods on DA:O is just... wow. And still oooh sooo expectable.

All completly useless mods, the only plus-value is a huge laugh in the castle of Whatshisname

And frankly after the modded sex scenes of DAO, I said we certainly DON'T need explicit scenes for the sake of explicit scenes, tasteful scenes like ME1 (and ME3 Liara, if you take off Shep's underware) are good because they don't overdo it

[mupp3tz]

deuce985 wrote...

It wouldn't bother me. I suppose it depends on how Bioware does it. If it's anything like the Witcher games then please do not put it in. Not only is the Witcher games crass with how they handle the nudity it's also borderline misogyny. Even worse, it adds nothing to the narrative and doesn't even make sense as to why Geralt is doing a few prostitutes missionary style. He's in the middle of a major political war/problem and he just decides he wants to have sex on the side constantly? You can do it over and over and over and never do you build relationships up in the game. Makes less sense because he's on a strict time schedule due to events unfolding around him. It never feels like it has a place in the story. They even make fun of it in Witcher 1 by collecting sex cards so you can add your next trophy to the deck. It's tastelss and absolutely pointless to the overaching narrative.

The sex cards were questionable, sure.. but there was no need to collect them if you didn't want to. On the flip side, Geralt has always had lots of fun times and a lot of women find him attractive. This is in the novels. He has also always shown distaste at being used as a tool in politics, and prefers to stay out of it and do his thing. And.. well, there are meaningful relationships. Particularly the one between Geralt and Triss.. and Shani to an extent. And most importantly, Yennefer, who hasn't even been in the game. Perhaps they just fail to show it well and so it doesn't feel like it.

But, I digress. I agree that what CDPR is doing doesn't make sense for Bioware.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 28 septembre 2013 - 06:25 .

[Archaven]

Lol. this thread just don't die. Has Bioware mention there won't be nudity at all in DAI? I seriously doubt they ever dare to go nudity considering their conservativeness.

Best they do are just sex scenes with bra and undies.. Perhaps they should just put the case to rest and announce that there won't be nudity in DA games? So there's no point for everyone to fight over each other on how games should or should not have nudity?

[DamiosD]

Personally i believe it should be an option that one could choose. Not ingame i mean but via DLC. Children can't buy stuff without there parents concent and for the mature that don't want it ingame or a more lessened form of it could just buy the game itself. But for those of us that believe It is naturall that when one has romancing ingame there should be sex and nudity or even just hot armor instead of the lets cover it all up. Well we could then just buy the DLC. Gaming company's need to get with the times. That includes more mature content, instead of the hush hush policy's there using now.
The first thing i do when a new rpg game is released is look for nudity patches and sexy armor mods. Not because i'm some perv, but because seeing blocks cover up body parts, just makes me realize that i'm playing a game that's meant for children who laugh when they see a private part. But like i said before i do understand it from the gaming company's view, but as a older gamer. would atleast like to have the option to have the gamer experience i like and the separate DLC is one of those options.

[Magdalena11]

I'm not sure how effective the ratings are at keeping "M" games out of kids' hands. Either parents buy the games for themselves or don't think about what the rating means and before they know it Junior's up to his eyebrows in darkspawn. I don't think the level of nudity or DA2 suggestive situations is gratuitous but increasing them would be.

All I ask for is no granny pants and long johns. If there are going to be romance scenes I hope they can be written to avoid the ugliness that is DA underwear.

[Angrywolves]

Somebody poster a thread/quotes from Gaider where he said there wouldn't be nudity, the Bioware team had certain standards they wouldn't violate , yada yada, not an exact quote but close.
Gaider doesn't like romances, some people seem surprised, but no romances, would make Gaider's job a lot easier.
If DAI is a hit and DA4 goes forward, I wouldn't be surprised if there were no romances, in DA4.
As far as DAO and DA2 mods, DAO has some sex mods posted on youtube but not as many as I would have thought. Maybe there are more posted on the mod sites.
DA2 seems to have more mods with hawke, merrill etc running around nude or seminude.
I thought there would be more stuff like the wedding mods, more armor and exotic weapons, mods to alter adversaries and monsters, stuff like that.
Frostbite may not be easy to hack/mod. I expect it will take an experienced programmer /hacker to find how to do it.
As far as criticism of Geralt being distracted while he should be doing his job, here in the US

[Angrywolves]

we've had secret service details in central and south america ordering up prostitutes as room service at their hotels.
So it does happen.
Sex has a way of intruding into responsibility and duty.
shrugs.

[JerZey CJ]

David Gaider wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Fade to black sucks. It suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. We're all adults here, and just having a fade to black scene without at least showing a little bit of foreplay first is just boring. CDprojektRed has full blown sex scenes and shows it works just fine.

Come on Bioware, bring on the filthy!

Not going to happen.

Just because the rating allows something doesn't mean we should do it, or that we're even interested. It has nothing to do with censorship, nothing to do with us thinking sex is "filthy", and nothing to do with us being afraid of the subject. It's a matter of taste, as in our taste and what we think fits DA's tone. We do plenty of things in DA that earn the M rating, and In our opinion having nudity/sex just because it's possible wouldn't make the game darker or edgier (if that was even something we thought was a worthwhile goal).

What we'll do in DAI with regards to these scenes is something we may or may not discuss prior to release-- so you might have to wait until the game comes out to see what direction we've chosen, I'm not sure. We've discussed improvements-- the team has criticisms of both DAO's and DA2's approach-- but whatever the changes, I can assure you that nudity and "full blown sex scenes" are not in the cards.

If someone prefers that, and holds up CDProjekt as an example of how it "works just fine"-- awesome. Witcher's that way. I'm certain that having games on the market with multiple approaches to the topic is quite viable.

What about something like ME1's scenes?

[Toasted Llama]

Magdalena11 wrote...

All I ask for is no granny pants and long johns. If there are going to be romance scenes I hope they can be written to avoid the ugliness that is DA underwear.

Oh god, DA underwear UGH!

I rather have my characters be completely nude (and females with a bit proper anatomy lol) than having those horrible  "medieval" underwear D: because anything, even nothing, is better than that...

[Br3admax]

Deflagratio wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't know where this nonsense about being afraid of the human body came from, but you should send it back. That is not the issue here, no matter how many times you try to make it such. The issue is that there is no point to strip people down, when that's not the focus of the game. it's not even the focus of the romance scenes. Go outside, right now, and ask 60 different people if they are afraid of boobs. See if your theory still holds water.

In my experience, ****** are something to be feared. Like blood magic, most everyone is tempted by their existence, and when used properly, can alter a man's free will.

So I think you should rephrase your statement.

You are the absolute only person I've heard of under the age of sixty to even suggest such a thing. 

[Angrywolves]

Just luv that authority tone Gaider uses .Just luv i.
I've never played the witcher games, I don't have an Xbox.
Yes I hope someday CDProjekt gets its technical issues with Sony fixed so PS players can play their games.
In Europe they're (meaning the public ) more tolerant of nudity than we are here in North America. I 'm sure Gaider knows that.
I'm ok with the Bioware team using their own personal standards/ morals to decide what is appropriate .
Some players make provacative requests, just to shock people and stir up controversy, some want everything they can see, with no restrictions , some want tastefully done romances and scenes, some want vanilla relationships without any sex, and some are against any and all romances , sex, nudity, etc.
I think Bioware is going to do away with romances , sex, nudity, etc etc.
Not necessary to make a successful rpg, fans upset who mighy boycott/not buy some future DA without romances are an extreme minority ,easily replaceable with fans who don't need

[Angrywolves]

romances to buy the game.

[aries1001]

I've been thinking about this topic for a few days now and here my reflections on the nudity vs. no nudity:

I'm playing DA:Origins again (as a female mage). And I'm in romance with Alistair, but somehow things got botched and suddenly I were in a romance with Leliana. And I made the choice to have love scene with her. And talk about awkward, I do not know what was more awkward, the music playing when the loce scene took place or the image of two drawn pixelated women in - let's call it - an embrace. Nothing is really seen, they have undergarments (underwear) on their bodies. And myself, I didn't know if I should feel anything or laugh vehemently or silenty - it was that awkward.
The same goes for my romance or love scene with Alistair in my current game. [As a sidenote when I was playing as a male Dalish Elf last time, Morrigan put on underwear during our romance scene, even though it seems clear from the way she is dressed that she probably isn't wearing any, at least not at bra anyway..]

To me, nudity can be be beautiful if it is done correctly, like in the ME1 love scene with Shepard or Liara or it can be portrayed in what I, at least, find are awkward portrayals (like I described above).

I haven't playe ME2, but I've watched some of the romance scenes on youtube; they are well done and they portray a much deeper emotional insight towards understanding the relationships between Shepard and e.g. Tali'Zora or Tali. They sit on the bench or bed and talk for a while, then the lights go out, (fade to black) and we get to meet them again the next morning.

Personally, I like this way more, since it allows me to use my imagination of what just has happened between them e.g my player character (the Inquisitor) and his or her romantic interest.

ps:
The Witcher games are not only for Xbox, they are also for the personal computer (pc).