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[The Hierophant]

Pseudocognition wrote...

how many times does a dev have to come in here and explain that they, by their own power and not due to any outside influence or pressure, are not interested in creating more than a brief implication of nudity or sex before people accept that they're not interested in creating (and therefore won't be persuaded to create) more than a brief implication of nudity or sex.

I'm sorry Pseudo but the people's urge to see some tittays has negated their capacity for reasoning. No matter how many times the devs repeat themselves the people will continue to feed this nigh unkillable beast of a thread. The only way to end the cycle is for a dev who's pure of heart to seal this immortal beast or else it's reign of tyranny shall outlast us all, and continue on til the end of time.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 07 octobre 2013 - 08:41 .

[Angrywolves]

uh pseudo and hiero, the last developer who came to the BSN, that I am aware of to discuss anything related to this subject was David Gaider.
He ripped the romance haters in a thread, threatened to ban them if they continued assaulting the players who like romances, and told them to stay off the forum if they couldn't behave themselves .
shrugs.
So it's those romance haters at the other extreme that seem to have gone too far, at least for now.
Not in favor of excesses in regard to the romances, still feel ME Liara type with shadows and creative camera angles can provide a romanctic experience that is good enough.

[PurpleWhisper]

I don't think its really necessary. Though I do think they need to be smarter with the romance scenes.

It drove me nuts that they were perfectly able to have Liara naked and not show anything X-Rated (by just putting a bit of thought and effort into it) and yet Traynor had to keep her underwear on in the shower. Things like underwear in a shower is a bit immersion-breaking. All it takes is a few well placed body parts or some creative camera angles to give the impression of nakedness without actually showing anything.

Modifié par PurpleWhisper, 07 octobre 2013 - 09:42 .

[The Hierophant]

Angrywolves wrote...

uh pseudo and hiero, the last developer who came to the BSN, that I am aware of to discuss anything related to this subject was David Gaider.
He ripped the romance haters in a thread, threatened to ban them if they continued assaulting the players who like romances, and told them to stay off the forum if they couldn't behave themselves .
shrugs.
So it's those romance haters at the other extreme that seem to have gone too far, at least for now.
Not in favor of excesses in regard to the romances, still feel ME Liara type with shadows and creative camera angles can provide a romanctic experience that is good enough.

This beast is more about the handling, and portrayal of nudity in the DA franchise vs should romance be featured in DAI, despite the multitude of off topic and near ot discussions.

[Allan Schumacher]

uh pseudo and hiero, the last developer who came to the BSN, that I am aware of to discuss anything related to this subject was David Gaider.
He ripped the romance haters in a thread, threatened to ban them if they continued assaulting the players who like romances, and told them to stay off the forum if they couldn't behave themselves .

The comments are directed towards those that chastise people that are a fan of romance content, which involves a lot more than whether or not nudity exists in the game. I have no issue with this position since people like our games for different reasons, and at this time it's probably one of the easier things to discuss at this point (which means the topic will, for better or worse, come up more frequently).

While I have no issues with people that want to discuss the merits of having/not having nudity in the game, I just wanted to clarify that someone that doesn't care for nudity in the game does not mean they are a "romance hater." I suspect many romance fans are not really interested in the nudity.

[robertthebard]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

uh pseudo and hiero, the last developer who came to the BSN, that I am aware of to discuss anything related to this subject was David Gaider.
He ripped the romance haters in a thread, threatened to ban them if they continued assaulting the players who like romances, and told them to stay off the forum if they couldn't behave themselves .

The comments are directed towards those that chastise people that are a fan of romance content, which involves a lot more than whether or not nudity exists in the game. I have no issue with this position since people like our games for different reasons, and at this time it's probably one of the easier things to discuss at this point (which means the topic will, for better or worse, come up more frequently).

While I have no issues with people that want to discuss the merits of having/not having nudity in the game, I just wanted to clarify that someone that doesn't care for nudity in the game does not mean they are a "romance hater." I suspect many romance fans are not really interested in the nudity.

I entirely skipped romances on one Cmdr. Shepard because they didn't fit the image I wanted of my Shep at the time.  I have considerably more than one Shep, and all of them did have romances, and not even the same ones.  I am, however, not of the impression that a romance should or should not have nudity, and, I don't believe that nudity should be "required" or "necessary".  I also don't have any desire to see naked pixels for the sake of seeing naked pixels.

[Nerevar-as]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

I don't think its really necessary. Though I do think they need to be smarter with the romance scenes.

It drove me nuts that they were perfectly able to have Liara naked and not show anything X-Rated (by just putting a bit of thought and effort into it) and yet Traynor had to keep her underwear on in the shower. Things like underwear in a shower is a bit immersion-breaking. All it takes is a few well placed body parts or some creative camera angles to give the impression of nakedness without actually showing anything.

I guess they are scared of flycam. It´s also very ironic how Liara has anime anatomy  yet you can get a full frontal from a banshee

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 07 octobre 2013 - 10:29 .

[David7204]

Anytime I see someone claim that nudity is silly because it's 'pixels,' their argument automatically loses about 20 points with me.

I could say the same about nudity in real life. It's only rays of light passed through the eyes and interpreted by the brain.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

As far as I'm concerned the degree of nudity shown is up to the game creators. That said I believe scenes implying sex or romance should be properly handled. A scene of clothes landing on the floor followed by Hawke and LI under the sheets makes sense. Afterwards instead of underwear they should have the sheet draped over them. In the case of the Fenris aftermath Hawke could have the sheet gathered around her/him. That's all I ask, a little common sense. No woman I know is going to put on a bra just to lie back in bed and snuggle. A sexy nightgown would make more sense.
In a tent situation substitute a blanket for the sheet, maybe more shadows.
I wouldn't mind some additional scenes, not necessarily active ones, which indicate they are in a romance (this would be after the initial romance scene). For instance, if they have sex fade to a scene where they are sleeping. Sometimes they might be spooning, sometimes person a is on person b's chest, sometimes the other way around. The blanket, sheet, whatever would cover what needs to be covered.

[Dominus]

My opinion's the same as it's always been: Fade-to-black is sometimes an appropriate answer, but I've personally favored hinting at nudity without actually showing anything "vital" via lighting/angles/etc, I typically point to Mass Effect 3's Liara Sex Scene as a good example of that. If I looked at Isabela's sex scene though, they did fair enough without nudity by focusing on foreplay and the like without revealing anything.

Just flat-out showing nudity isn't always necessary for gaining a sense of intimacy for a sex scene, but at least hinting at nudity does help - making love involves two people in a state of physical and emotional surrender, so it's fitting to include both in the consummation of romance. How much is shown is up to them, though. ¯\\(°_o)/¯

Modifié par DominusVita, 07 octobre 2013 - 10:43 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Pseudocognition wrote...

how many times does a dev have to come in here and explain that they, by their own power and not due to any outside influence or pressure, are not interested in creating more than a brief implication of nudity or sex before people accept that they're not interested in creating (and therefore won't be persuaded to create) more than a brief implication of nudity or sex

It would be less of an issue if we thought DAI might be moddable.

[Angrywolves]

well the romances seem to be bound up with nudity. Hard to discuss one without the other.
Strangely nude demons and broodmothers don't seem to seem to offend those against that sort of thing.
It seems to be an accepted part of the equation.
How does anyone define nudity ?
In the often pointed out ME Liara type romance , was Liara nude?
I thought she was.
Due to forethought and creativity, we players didn't see it.
shrugs.
It's considered tasteful and well done.
While the possibility of "vanilla romances" could someday find their way into DAI, the traditional rpg romance aka Cloud and Tifa, or aka marry a companion and adventure with them with warm conversation and no sex or near nudity , I doubt most DAI romance fans would accept that.
As it is, people who hate the romances don't want any nudity , near nudity,kissing, hand holding, nothing .
They want it all gone.
That's my opinion .
People who want romances want tastefully done scenes.
A radical few want full frontal nudity of course

[jillabender]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

[...]

While I have no issues with people that want to discuss the merits of having/not having nudity in the game, I just wanted to clarify that someone that doesn't care for nudity in the game does not mean they are a "romance hater." I suspect many romance fans are not really interested in the nudity.

I think that's an important point, because this is one of those topics where it's very easy to read more into people's comments than is actually meant.

I've said before that I don't think there should be any shame associated with simply enjoying or being turned on by sex scenes or nudity in a game, and I still stand by that.

But I admit I've made the mistake in the past of assuming people were implying that anyone who enjoys nude sex scenes in games must be an immature sex-crazed maniac - when in fact they were only taking issue with people's insistence that the choice not to include nude sex scenes takes away from the "maturity" of a game and can only ever be motivated by prudery.

Modifié par jillabender, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:26 .

[Angrywolves]

But will accept less.
A few would prefer the vanilla stuff with maybe FFVIII ballroom dancing aka Squall and Rinoa as close to a romance scene as the game would get, and be satisfied with that.
As it is, there won't be nudity in DAI.
Gaider has said so. Schumacher can confirm that.
We can hope Bioware takes the time and thought to come up with some tasteful well done scenes, and that's it.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

It would be less of an issue if we thought DAI might be moddable.

I don't see how the lack of a circumstantial bonus for the end user could sway them to make content they're not interested in making.

[Angrywolves]

Disagree strongly with Schumacher .
lol. No big surprise there.
Think most romance fans want what I'll call realistic content and we'll leave it at that.

[Br3admax]

Angrywolves wrote...

Disagree strongly with Schumacher .
lol. No big surprise there.
Think most romance fans want what I'll call realistic content and we'll leave it at that.

I for one do not dislike romances in the slightest. Nudity doesn't make romance more realistic, espceially if it isn't done properly. It doesn't really add anything to the scene, which quite frankly, isn't the most substantial part of the romance anyway. 

[Afro_Explosion]

I think nudity should be like desire demons and broodmothers but could also be done more tastefully in a romance scene

[Seth_Holloway]

I don't really see the harm in it, and it adds something that some people seem to really care about.

I think character development in a relationship is a bit more important than a sex scene though. For example; I'm sure the prostitutes in the Blooming Rose had names.. but I don't remember any of them XD

I guess I'd vote for it! yeah team nudity.. lol

[Angrywolves]

That's your opinion Br3ad.
Most romance fans on the BSN would seem to disagree with you.
I do.
shrugs.

[someguy1231]

People arguing that it isn't "necessary" are missing the point. Just because something in a game isn't strictly necessary is no reason not to include it. Hell, the romances themselves aren't necessary either.

[Xewaka]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
It would be less of an issue if we thought DAI might be moddable.

I don't see how the lack of a circumstantial bonus for the end user could sway them to make content they're not interested in making.

I think the point here is more on the lines of "people will make nude mods, because that's how people are, thus making the need of *official* nudity a non-issue".

[esper]

PurpleWhisper wrote...

I don't think its really necessary. Though I do think they need to be smarter with the romance scenes.

It drove me nuts that they were perfectly able to have Liara naked and not show anything X-Rated (by just putting a bit of thought and effort into it) and yet Traynor had to keep her underwear on in the shower. Things like underwear in a shower is a bit immersion-breaking. All it takes is a few well placed body parts or some creative camera angles to give the impression of nakedness without actually showing anything.

Doubly so since shower scenes are pretty popular in movies so there should be much inspiration as to how to due it without showing stuff.

[esper]

Br3ad wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Disagree strongly with Schumacher .
lol. No big surprise there.
Think most romance fans want what I'll call realistic content and we'll leave it at that.

I for one do not dislike romances in the slightest. Nudity doesn't make romance more realistic, espceially if it isn't done properly. It doesn't really add anything to the scene, which quite frankly, isn't the most substantial part of the romance anyway. 

Agreed I don't really care for nudity one way or another and actually prefer the cut away just before the clothes comes off.

What I don't want to see though is bathing in underwear and whatever the ****** it was that they were doing in da:o.

[Ebony Dragon]

I don't understand how people are perfectly fine with bulging, blubbery broodmother breasts and Desire demons running their hands all over themelves, amd then squeal when they see someone's naked back.

If the nudity is done properly and tastefully, then I see no reason why it shouldn't be included in a game where you beat the living daylights out of a creature that is basically a head on five sets of boobs. <_<