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[spirosz]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I could care less either way when it comes to the nudity thing, there are things more important to me than if there are pixels resembling breasts.

The pixels resembling swords are much more important, I agree.

It's because he's focusing on Miranda's ass.

If you are going to flamebait me at least try to be accurate.  I am more of a Liara guy

By your avatar, I would of swung you as an Allers type-of-fellow, my cello. 

Modifié par spirosz, 08 octobre 2013 - 11:12 .

[KotorEffect3]

spirosz wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Honestly I could care less either way when it comes to the nudity thing, there are things more important to me than if there are pixels resembling breasts.

The pixels resembling swords are much more important, I agree.

It's because he's focusing on Miranda's ass.

If you are going to flamebait me at least try to be accurate.  I am more of a Liara guy

By your avatar, I would of swung you as an Allers type-of-fellow, my cello. 

Nah she comes along too late

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 08 octobre 2013 - 11:14 .

[Vort3xX]

David7204 wrote...

Anytime I see someone claim that nudity is silly because it's 'pixels,' their argument automatically loses about 20 points with me.

Well, the good part is that no one cares what you think ! 

[dreamgazer]

Page 69 of a discussion about digital naughty parts, eh?

You guys, I mean, damn.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Page 69 of a discussion about digital naughty parts, eh?

You guys, I mean, damn.

It seems right, ya know?

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Page 69 of a discussion about digital naughty parts, eh?

You guys, I mean, damn.

I see what you did there. 

[Allan Schumacher]

Lets not make me don the robe and moderator hat!

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 09 octobre 2013 - 05:09 .

[satunnainen]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Lets not make me don the robe and moderator hat!

In this particular thread, shouldnt you threaten to take them off.

Sorry

Anyway as a finn I have a bit difficulties understanding the... uhm, what would be a good word? repulsion? Allergy? obsession to keep everything clothed because some naked skin is like a holy water to a vampire to the people of some nations. On the other hand I dont much care if the game has or has not nudity either. So dont take my comments too seriously.

[hangmans tree]

My personal opinion...
If BW want to do without nudity, that is fine. I'm okay with that. You can do romance and romantic scenes without gearments off. Its all good if the circumstances are right.
But when you device a scene where characters get close to eachother, find an intimate space and time you should mark that "preparation" with at the least different, casual lets call 'em, textures or skins for the models.
Another idea is to focus on closeups of faces, eyes, lips, palms etc.
It would prevent immersion breaking experience from happening (I know, this sentence came out wierd).

You have yet to master the art of covering up, or the camera angles - not to show, but to tease, to
stimulate the imagination.

BTW my bigger concerns, rather than nudity (which is an American issue really) are violence and solving problems by violent means. We should be offered a wider range of actions concerning a problem.

[Deflagratio]

satunnainen wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Lets not make me don the robe and moderator hat!

In this particular thread, shouldnt you threaten to take them off.

Sorry

Anyway as a finn I have a bit difficulties understanding the... uhm, what would be a good word? repulsion? Allergy? obsession to keep everything clothed because some naked skin is like a holy water to a vampire to the people of some nations. On the other hand I dont much care if the game has or has not nudity either. So dont take my comments too seriously.

Vsauce did a good bit about the "Shame" of nakedness. You should look it up because it's better than the assanine summary I'll give.

Basically, clothing predates "dogma" for a few reasons related to biology. These reasons range from our cumbersome child-rearing necessities as well as hygenic reasons. Embarrasment as a natural reaction is actually a healthy sign of humility and social awareness. Again, I strongly recommend you look up the Vsauce video on Youtube for an infinitely better explanation. But it's not entirely related to religious shameing.

[satunnainen]

Deflagratio wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Lets not make me don the robe and moderator hat!

In this particular thread, shouldnt you threaten to take them off.

Sorry

Anyway as a finn I have a bit difficulties understanding the... uhm, what would be a good word? repulsion? Allergy? obsession to keep everything clothed because some naked skin is like a holy water to a vampire to the people of some nations. On the other hand I dont much care if the game has or has not nudity either. So dont take my comments too seriously.

Vsauce did a good bit about the "Shame" of nakedness. You should look it up because it's better than the assanine summary I'll give.

Basically, clothing predates "dogma" for a few reasons related to biology. These reasons range from our cumbersome child-rearing necessities as well as hygenic reasons. Embarrasment as a natural reaction is actually a healthy sign of humility and social awareness. Again, I strongly recommend you look up the Vsauce video on Youtube for an infinitely better explanation. But it's not entirely related to religious shameing.

After watching that I have to say that  he is simplifying things way too much for me to totally agree with him. Embarrashment or shame might be a good thing to keep a society together but its still different thing to be embarrashed about clothing, or lack of them.

Also the theory that clothing helps the huge brain of humans to develop is just stupid. Humans and ancestors have had big brains for hundreds of thousands of years, yet embarrashment of the lack of clothing is a very recent thing, during the last few hundred years or so, I think? There are still tribes in warm areas that go around  almost naked their whole lifes, so its not a natural born thing either.

Anyway its not a big deal, just my random opinions. I can always admit that I might be wrong too

[razmatazz]

Eh, can't say I'm particularly interested. Not that I'm offended by such material (I enjoyed The Witcher 2, after all), but I think if BW wanted DA to be the kind of series that included explicit nudity, however tasteful, they would have set the precedent in Origins. To do it now would probably make such content seem kind of weird and out of place there, at least for me.  I just don't really see the benefit for a series that's already well established without it.

Modifié par Galsic, 09 octobre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Gwydden]

Galsic wrote...

Eh, can't say I'm particularly interested. Not that I'm offended by such material (I enjoyed The Witcher 2, after all), but I think if BW wanted DA to be the kind of series that included explicit nudity, however tasteful, they would have set the precedent in Origins. To do it now would probably make such content seem kind of weird and out of place there, at least for me.  I just don't really see the benefit for a series that's already well established without it.

As I have already stated a couple times earlier on this thread, I'm not interested in explicit nudity or any of the like. However, clothing can really break a scene sometimes. Things like the werewolves magical underpants or the darkspawn leaving Cailan's underwear intact are utterly ridicoulus. And yes, this also applies to romance scenes. I'd rather they went with fade to black instead of dry humping. I don't need or want a full frontal view of a character genitals (some things are better when left to the imagination anyway), that can be hidden with obstacles and camera angles

There is also the broodmother issue, as some people have pointed out. The broodmother scene is probably the crepiest part of DAO. Now just imagine that same scene with the ugly monster using three bras. That would be too much even for the most prudish game developer. Why the double standard, then?

[Jarcander]

Yes, for the immersion, of course.

And boobs if you must inquire further. I do like them. This is a great thread to make a comeback to Bioware forums to discuss serious videogame topics.

[Commander Michael]

Yes, I do want nudity for places where it fits, which is in brothels and romance scenes. I don't understand why people get offended by nudity. I get offended if I see underwear sex.

Also Romance Cards like in The Witcher 1 would be nice... A Morrigan romance card would be... Nice

[Cainhurst Crow]

Jarcander wrote...

Yes, for the immersion, of course.

And boobs if you must inquire further. I do like them. This is a great thread to make a comeback to Bioware forums to discuss serious videogame topics.

Ha, good one man. I needed that laugh.

[Jarcander]

Gwydden wrote...

As I have already stated a couple times earlier on this thread, I'm not interested in explicit nudity or any of the like. However, clothing can really break a scene sometimes. Things like the werewolves magical underpants or the darkspawn leaving Cailan's underwear intact are utterly ridicoulus. And yes, this also applies to romance scenes. I'd rather they went with fade to black instead of dry humping. I don't need or want a full frontal view of a character genitals (some things are better when left to the imagination anyway), that can be hidden with obstacles and camera angles

There is also the broodmother issue, as some people have pointed out. The broodmother scene is probably the crepiest part of DAO. Now just imagine that same scene with the ugly monster using three bras. That would be too much even for the most prudish game developer. Why the double standard, then?

I'm sure they calculated that Fox News wouldn't dare to use footage of the Broodmother on air. The real reason of course was that the creature wasn't the slightest bit erotic for anyone, which made it okay for the prudes. Double standards do have a tendency to rule the business nowadays, unfortunately.

I think someone mentioned fade-to-black as a possible fix for this issue, which I don't agree. Nothing breaks immersion better than a black screen followed by player appearing where they started the conversation, fresh and ready for the next quest. If it must be fading, then at least all involved parties should awaken in a room (no more than 3), pulling on clothes (a minimum of one scene, 5 seconds long, of sideboob or firm butt is required).

[Gwydden]

Jarcander wrote...
I'm sure they calculated that Fox News wouldn't dare to use footage of the Broodmother on air. The real reason of course was that the creature wasn't the slightest bit erotic for anyone, which made it okay for the prudes. Double standards do have a tendency to rule the business nowadays, unfortunately.

BioWare employees have stated over and over that the company didn't take Fox News report that seriously, and honestly, I don't see why they should. Some randon not all that important group made a mountain of a grain of sand and were ultimately wrong and had to apologize. Hell, BioWare games have never even come close to the level of explicit in the Witcher and other games.

Jarcander wrote...
I think someone mentioned fade-to-black as a possible fix for this issue, which I don't agree. Nothing breaks immersion better than a black screen followed by player appearing where they started the conversation, fresh and ready for the next quest. If it must be fading, then at least all involved parties should awaken in a room (no more than 3), pulling on clothes (a minimum of one scene, 5 seconds long, of sideboob or firm butt is required).

I don't like fade to black either, but it still seems a better option than underwear sex. Also, there is something I have always found funny about American audiences. Sideboobs and tight pants are okay, but nipples and bare butts are somehow a sin? Is there some fundamental logic to it I am missing?

Anyway, as I said, I'll be content if they don't avoid nudity (explicit or implied, both are valid approaches) where it would make sense.

Modifié par Gwydden, 09 octobre 2013 - 07:04 .

[razmatazz]

If it isn't implied, then, technically, it's explicit, no matter the degree.  That's what I was get'n at.

Commander Michael wrote...
I don't understand why people get offended by nudity. I get offended if I see underwear sex.

And I don't understand why others believe it's wrong to be offended by nudity.  I'm not offended by nudity, either, but I don't think it's really fair to the fans who have grown attached to and/or fond of the series, in part, because it hasn't offended their sensibilities.  And if BW didn't care about such a demographic, Origins would have been the place to include the content, not Inquisition.

As for me, it's merely a matter of wanting a certain level of consistency in the series' material and themes.  If it hasn't been in the series before, why have it now?

Modifié par Galsic, 09 octobre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Commander Michael]

Galsic wrote...

If it isn't implied, then, technically, it's explicit, no matter the degree.  That's what I was get'n at.

Commander Michael wrote...
I don't understand why people get offended by nudity. I get offended if I see underwear sex.

And I don't understand why others believe it's wrong to be offended by nudity.  I'm not offended by nudity, either, but I don't think it's really fair to the fans who have grown attached to and/or fond of the series, in part, because it hasn't offended their sensibilities.  And if BW didn't care about such a demographic, Origins would have been the place to include the content, not Inquisition.

As for me, it's merely a matter of wanting a certain level of consistency in the series' material and themes.  If it hasn't been in the series before, why have it now?

But... We are all naked underneath! 

I must admit, I dont really see nudity as something out-of-the-ordinary, like most people do, I guess. It must come with being a Finn... I mean we go to Saunas and lakes naked all the time lol... 

And yes, you have a very good point. The exclusion of nudity in DAO and DA2 would make for continuity issues... But then again the transition fron DAO to DA2 didn't have that much continuity anyways, especailly if we look at the changes in combat animations to the look of Elves, Qunari and darkspawn.

[Jarcander]

Gwydden wrote...
I don't like fade to black either, but it still seems a better option than underwear sex. Also, there is something I have always found funny about American audiences. Sideboobs and tight pants are okay, but nipples and bare butts are somehow a sin? Is there some fundamental logic to it I am missing?

Anyway, as I said, I'll be content if they don't avoid nudity (explicit or implicit, both are valid approaches) where it would make sense.

The problem group is probably the aging and the religious families, and those who don't care about video games and would see them vilified. It is not just America. They are everywhere. I do believe Fox network arrived in my country this year or a year ago, but they don't show any news. A shame. Would've been interesting.

Bioware games need romance though (it is what many people have come to expect from them), and most people on their target group would enjoy a realistic take on the more carnal side of things, I bet.

[Gwydden]

Galsic wrote...
As for me, it's merely a matter of wanting a certain level of consistency in the series' material and themes.  If it hasn't been in the series before, why have it now?

I've already stated my stand, by I'd like to point out that the same could be said of pretty much every new feature. Sometimes you have to try new things before deciding which one you'll be sticking with. Not to mention that things could have changed since the games were released. As a matter of fact, Origins originally had more explicit nudity. Why it was removed is anyone guess, but whatever it was might no longer be valid.

[Gwydden]

Jarcander wrote...
The problem group is probably the aging and the religious families, and those who don't care about video games and would see them vilified. It is not just America. They are everywhere. I do believe Fox network arrived in my country this year or a year ago, but they don't show any news. A shame. Would've been interesting.

Bioware games need romance though (it is what many people have come to expect from them), and most people on their target group would enjoy a realistic take on the more carnal side of things, I bet.

Yeah, but desire demons and the Lady of the Forest are virtually naked. No one seems to mind, but for some reason doing the same thing to companions in romance scenes is expected to cause an uproar in the most traditionalist groups?

Honestly, I can't get it. And I don't think that a group making a story should limit themselves just to avoid pissing some people off. Of course, it may be that BioWare doesn't depict nudity because that's how they prefer it... but then why were some underclothes added in the last minute to DAO, and why there are almost naked creatures in the game (desire demos, dryads, broodmothers) but not companions?

I know what some will say - all those are female creatures. That should be corrected, too, of course, but they shouldn't go out of they way to do it, like in "hey, guys, what male character can we add in the game with a reasonable justification for him going around half naked?".

[Jarcander]

Gwydden wrote...

Yeah, but desire demons and the Lady of the Forest are virtually naked. No one seems to mind, but for some reason doing the same thing to companions in romance scenes is expected to cause an uproar in the most traditionalist groups?

Honestly, I can't get it. And I don't think that a group making a story should limit themselves just to avoid pissing some people off. Of course, it may be that BioWare doesn't depict nudity because that's how they prefer it... but then why were some underclothes added in the last minute to DAO, and why there are almost naked creatures in the game (desire demos, dryads, broodmothers) but not companions?

I know what some will say - all those are female creatures. That should be corrected, too, of course, but they shouldn't go out of they way to do it, like in "hey, guys, what male character can we add in the game with a reasonable justification for him going around half naked?".

I quite liked DA:O, and not just because I could mod the hell out of it and add any level of clothing or lack off to any character. That's what DA:I really needs; modding tools. Skyrim on Steam currently has 17966 mods available and that's not even all of them with the biggest mods being in Nexus. Take note Bioware.

Anyhow, I'm out. Got work at 7am.