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[AmoBurntTongues]

Well, in my opinion, I wouldn't be too bothered. I'm comfortable with it, like I'm sure most adults are. And if Bioware don't want to do it for the bad press it might receive, add a toggle in the options menu. A lot like most violent games, where you have the option to turn gore off. Just use it to turn explicit images off and on. Then they'd have no right to moan as they could have just turned it off. It won't be too hard. Just replace the bit in the scene where it gets to that point with the aforementioned fade to black.

Or something like that. I need some tea.

[Killdren88]

I would not be bothered if they did or not. Just ignore Fox news when they go on their rants they'll shut up about after a week.

[Neoleviathan]

Recent experience with nudity in a game was pretty odd. Anyone else play Metro: Last Light, opinions?

Nudity was not something I was expecting at all. I almost took it for a complete joke, when you first see the dancers jiggle physics. But later in the game as you explore more of the cultural side of the metro you encounter strip clubs & prostitution. Mixed feelings for this. Particularly involving a scene with a lap dance. The girl almost blows your cover so you cover her mouth & hide with her in a private room, her reaction to this, just part of the job. That scene & it's implications kindof freaked me out, & I'm not sure if the inclusion of nudity was a good or bad thing in that game. I don't think the nudity was just thrown in, it makes absolute sense with the world in the game.

Even though a game can use nudity for the right reasons, it can still be kindof creepy & weird. Even if DA:I included it & used it well, maybe it still wouldn't be a very comfortable experience?

Modifié par Neoleviathan, 09 octobre 2013 - 07:43 .

[razmatazz]

Note that I said "a certain level of consistency", not consistency across the board.

If we're talkin' new features in gameplay, that's a separate issue in which, I agree, change is expected and necessary to help keep gameplay from installment to installment fresh.

On the flipside, CDProjekt made sex and nudity a running theme in the Witcher series that their fans have come to expect from the start. If CDP decided to clean that up for the upcoming sequel, I would see that as an unpleasant break in consistency. Among other things, I think it would signify a fundamental change in the company's stance and desired demographic that would justifiably upset a lot of people.

Some of you site broodmothers and desire demons.  I suppose that's fair, especially where the desire demon's concerned.  Thing is, I've never really focused on desire demons, let alone broodmothers, in a (strictly) sexual manner.  First and foremost, I focus on them as evil beings to be killed as quickly as possible, not oggled, and I like to think that's be design (am I weird for this?)  To add nudity as some of you want now would draw focus on the sexual nature, more focus than I've come to expect from Dragon Age.  And if there was nudity depicted in a strictly sexual manner in the series, I must have missed it in the four times I've played Origins and the two times I've played II.

Modifié par Galsic, 09 octobre 2013 - 08:21 .

[Gwydden]

As I have repeated to death, I do not want the desire demons to have any less clothes thant they already have. I never really think about them in a "sexual manner", either. I mentioned them in the context that, how is it okay to show them (and the Lady of the Forest, who people never mention despite the fact that she has absolutely no clothes on) like that, but the same cannot be said of the PC's companions?

Modifié par Gwydden, 09 octobre 2013 - 08:28 .

[Br3admax]

 What we write

Everyone wrote....

We don't care. What's the point? Is nudity really that important? It's so minor and pointless. The game isn't about sex.

What you read

Everyone else for some reason thinks we wrote...

Ah, boobies are scary! Put on clothes! Ghastly, I tells ya! And women wearing pants?! Proper people don't look this way! Nudity is for the Devil!

 

[razmatazz]

Gwydden wrote...

As I have repeated to death, I do not want the desire demons to have any less clothes thant they already have. I never really think about them in a "sexual manner", either. I mentioned them in the context that, how is it okay to show them (and the Lady of the Forest, who people never mention despite the fact that she has absolutely no clothes on) like that, but the same cannot be said of the PC's companions?

Right, the Lady of the Forest.  She has no clothes on, and yet, by my viewpoint, she's still less exposed, and depicted with even LESS focus on sexuality than the desire demon.  I mean, why would a spirit of the forest be bothered with clothes, anyway?  Maybe that's why others see it as okay in context?

Maybe I'm approaching this topic with more seriousness than it deserves, or drawing lines in seemingly arbitrary places, but I thought I'd let my own opinion on the topic be known : / .

Modifié par Galsic, 09 octobre 2013 - 09:33 .

[Gwydden]

Galsic wrote...
Right, the Lady of the Forest.  She has no clothes on, and yet, by my viewpoint, she's still less exposed, and depicted with even LESS focus on sexuality than the desire demon.  I mean, why would a spirit of the forest be bothered with clothes, anyway?  Maybe that's why others see it as okay in context?

My point exactly. BioWare shouldn't go out of its way to depict nudity in DA (it'll probably take away from resources that are better spent elsewhere, anyway) but they shouldn't avoid it to the point where it becomes ridicoulus. Right after seing the Lady of the Forest, we see werewolves turning back to human form with clothes on. Now, I don't need to see their genitals, but I'm sure they could keep the camera above the waist, have some of them be crouched or inspecting a pillar that prevents us from seeing anything, or anything they can come up with.

I also haven't said that does that see no point in adding nudity (a position I partially agree with) are prudes, and I'm sorry if that's what it looked like.

[razmatazz]

MY point was that the way the Lady of the Forest was depicted wasn't about sex.  And she isn't even fully exposed.  What I thought the topic wanted to discuss was the merits of more explicit nudity, particularly in the context of sex.  I'm with the implied nudity camp for the sake of theme consistency and not pissing off some within the established fanbase.  Things like clothes sex and nekkid werewolves changing into clothed humans are ridiculous, and that really should go without saying.

Modifié par Galsic, 09 octobre 2013 - 11:14 .

[Gwydden]

Galsic wrote...

MY point was that the way the Lady of the Forest was depicted wasn't about sex.  And she isn't even fully exposed.  What I thought the topic wanted to discuss was the merits of more explicit nudity, particularly in the context of sex.  I'm with the implied nudity camp for the sake of theme consistency and not pissing off some of the established fanbase.  Things like clothes sex and nekkid werewolves changing into clothed humans are ridiculous, and that really should go without saying.

We're on the same page then. I apologize for any missunderstandings.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Br3ad wrote...

 What we write

Everyone wrote....

We don't care. What's the point? Is nudity really that important? It's so minor and pointless. The game isn't about sex.

What you read

Everyone else for some reason thinks we wrote...

Ah, boobies are scary! Put on clothes! Ghastly, I tells ya! And women wearing pants?! Proper people don't look this way! Nudity is for the Devil!

 

And everyone just keeps talking and ignoring the elephant in the room. XD

[Sylvius the Mad]

This whole discussion becomes much more useful if we just presume that there are no sex scenes in the game at all.

If that's true, is nudity then valuable, in the complete absence of sex?

[Former_Fiend]

What's the point: without knowing the specifics of a given scene, nudity can be used for a variety of narrative purposes. It shows vulnerability, intimacy, savagery, depravity, comedy, and basic humanity.

It has several purposes beyond titillation.

[MissOuJ]

Former_Fiend wrote...

What's the point: without knowing the specifics of a given scene, nudity can be used for a variety of narrative purposes. It shows vulnerability, intimacy, savagery, depravity, comedy, and basic humanity.

It has several purposes beyond titillation.

Exactly, and I'd actually love to see nudity used in this way - say, seeing a woman beasfeed her child, seeing naked slaves freed and given clothing for the first time etc. It is sort of sad that the only games that use nudity outside sex scenes seem to be horror games / action games with horror elements - I think that sends a sad message about how we as a society see nudity: on the other hand, nudity (of the "right" kind) is seen as desirable, but anything that falls outside of that very limited box is seen as wrong or embarrassing or weird or "inappropriate".

The potential is there, but whenever the topic of maturity and nudity in the media comes up, the focus is always on sex scenes and female bodies in those sex scenes. It is ridiculous, and can be somewhat off-putting for women gamers.

[BioWareM0d13]

Former_Fiend wrote...

What's the point: without knowing the specifics of a given scene, nudity can be used for a variety of narrative purposes. It shows vulnerability, intimacy, savagery, depravity, comedy, and basic humanity.

It has several purposes beyond titillation.

Bioware kind of went that route with the Broodmother and the Banshees of ME3, where it was meant to provoke revulsion.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Former_Fiend wrote...

It has several purposes beyond titillation.

That's what I'm getting at.  Focusing on the sex scenes, I think, distracts us from the larger issue.

[Dermain]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

It has several purposes beyond titillation.

That's what I'm getting at.  Focusing on the sex scenes, I think, distracts us from the larger issue.

Sadly, that's why most people seem to want nudity. Every other page in this thread focuses on the Witcher's use of partial nudity during.......the sex scenes. Then there are the posts that believe that it should be used to provoke revulsion (broodmother/banshee). Is there a point to nudity besides that? Of course, but I do not see the writers/artists adding it in for those reasons.

We don't know much about how slaves are dressed, but I would wager that the slaves that are used as house servants generally have clothes on. Which makes it doubtful that we would ever see naked slaves unless we actually visit Tevinter, and the writers/artists decide to show us the full slave seen. 

[Bfler]

 What about such nudity:

[Reznore57]

Well the thing is ...it's always Naked Women.
I think the fact that the desire demon is female is telling.
And if I remember correctly David Gaider wanted the Spirit of the Forest to be male/female....I'm not seeing the androgyny here .

In the Witcher , there's a scene where Geralt Girlfriend get kidnapped and a mage undress her ...I guess that's to show that's she's vulnerable?
It's a bit funny because when Geralt is in prison , he has his pants on...

So nudity is fine , but it's always naked women everywhere ...at least in DAO , during the Urn of the secret Ashes , your whole group is supposed to be naked ...
Anyway that double standard has to go...

[Plaintiff]

Reznore57 wrote...

Well the thing is ...it's always Naked Women.
I think the fact that the desire demon is female is telling.
And if I remember correctly David Gaider wanted the Spirit of the Forest to be male/female....I'm not seeing the androgyny here .

In the Witcher , there's a scene where Geralt Girlfriend get kidnapped and a mage undress her ...I guess that's to show that's she's vulnerable?
It's a bit funny because when Geralt is in prison , he has his pants on...

So nudity is fine , but it's always naked women everywhere ...at least in DAO , during the Urn of the secret Ashes , your whole group is supposed to be naked ...
Anyway that double standard has to go...

For DA:I, all the men should be constantly nude, regardless of weather, while the women all wear burkas.

[Reznore57]

Plaintiff wrote...

For DA:I, all the men should be constantly nude, regardless of weather, while the women all wear burkas.

I was more going for equality here ...
Isabela and her lack of pants never bothered me , and I'm glad we're now getting an Iron Bull and his lack of shirt.
I was just trying to point out that trying to take nudity out of a  sexual context seems really strange when it's just women getting naked.

[Mistress9Nine]

Yes, I'll take a #3 with a side of peens and sixpacks, please!

[Br3admax]

MissOuJ wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

What's the point: without knowing the specifics of a given scene, nudity can be used for a variety of narrative purposes. It shows vulnerability, intimacy, savagery, depravity, comedy, and basic humanity.

It has several purposes beyond titillation.

Exactly, and I'd actually love to see nudity used in this way - say, seeing a woman beasfeed her child, seeing naked slaves freed and given clothing for the first time etc. It is sort of sad that the only games that use nudity outside sex scenes seem to be horror games / action games with horror elements - I think that sends a sad message about how we as a society see nudity: on the other hand, nudity (of the "right" kind) is seen as desirable, but anything that falls outside of that very limited box is seen as wrong or embarrassing or weird or "inappropriate".

The potential is there, but whenever the topic of maturity and nudity in the media comes up, the focus is always on sex scenes and female bodies in those sex scenes. It is ridiculous, and can be somewhat off-putting for women gamers.

It already is used in that way. So yeah, no point in continuing this conversation if that is what you mean. 

[Sil]

I don't think nudity is needed, but saying that I think it's silly to have scenes where a man or woman would be naked or partially undressed yet to keep them in undergarments still. My usual qualm with this is when a woman would be bare-breasted but for some reason they wear a bra. Bra's are something which is very prevalent in fantasy games which I tend to find rather stupid as it is forcing a relatively modern concept onto an ancient concept, when in truth a small tunic or other garment would make more sense for covering the breasts than some bra.

I don't want bare breasts for titillation, but I want them if it makes sense to see them and I don't want them covered just to make the whiners of the world happy. If they are to be covered, I would rather they were covered in a way that feels appropriate for the setting rather than forcing modern clothing choices onto them as a disguise for bare flesh.

Modifié par Sil, 10 octobre 2013 - 03:08 .