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[Sylvius the Mad]

Myrkale wrote...

Sadly, that's why most people seem to want nudity. Every other page in this thread focuses on the Witcher's use of partial nudity during.......the sex scenes. Then there are the posts that believe that it should be used to provoke revulsion (broodmother/banshee). Is there a point to nudity besides that? Of course, but I do not see the writers/artists adding it in for those reasons.

We don't know much about how slaves are dressed, but I would wager that the slaves that are used as house servants generally have clothes on. Which makes it doubtful that we would ever see naked slaves unless we actually visit Tevinter, and the writers/artists decide to show us the full slave seen.

As someone who used a nude mod in DAO, I'd say that the two most effective applications of that nudity were:

1. Cailan's body when it is recovered from Ostagar.  Being tacked up is somehow less dignified when the dead king is naked.

2. The piles of corpses in Fort Drakon.  Having bodies stacked up in the corner is presumably an indication that the people in charge of Fort Drakon have little concern for human life.  But having those corpses be nude makes the scene more horrific, adding a level of inhumanity that wasn't there before.

I think those two scenes are more effective with nudity.

I don't care if the game features sex scenes - or even romances - at all.  I do play romances, but I don't need romances.  But even without any romantic content, I think nudity (or, at least, the possibility of nudity) gives the designers more tools at their disposal for creating atmosphere in their level design.

[Medhia Nox]

@Sylvius the Mad: you think a crucified body or a pile of bodies is "less" horrifying because they've got loin cloths on?

Do you find fully clothed dead people enjoyable to look at?

I absolutely do understand what you're getting at - that being stripped bare is ALSO disrespectful to the corpse - but, I suppose I'm just wondering if it's "really" so much more effective.

The answer for you might, of course, be yes.

But, for myself, it's hardly going to make a difference if I see a naked Cailan, loin cloth Cailan or full armored Cailan hanging.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Sylvius the Mad: you think a crucified body or a pile of bodies is "less" horrifying because they've got loin cloths on?

Yes.  For the same reason we dress up bodies that are lying in state.

[Br3admax]

I don't think you should ever expect to see a Cailan more naked than that.

[cjones91]

Br3ad wrote...

I don't think you should ever expect to see a Cailan more naked than that.

The darkspawn would have stripped him of everything so it makes since for Cailan's body to be completely naked.

[Killdren88]

If people really want this, just wait until the game comes out and mod it yourselves like people did with Origins.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Killdren88 wrote...

If people really want this, just wait until the game comes out and mod it yourselves like people did with Origins.

Assuming DAI will be moddable.  There is some reason to believe modding it will be considerably more difficult than it was in DAO.

That said, I agree with you.  This is exactly the sort of content for which players should turn to mods.  And that is why these games should be made with the intention of making them moddable.

An unmoddable game is a lesser game.

[Pink Pony]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

If people really want this, just wait until the game comes out and mod it yourselves like people did with Origins.

Assuming DAI will be moddable.  There is some reason to believe modding it will be considerably more difficult than it was in DAO.

That said, I agree with you.  This is exactly the sort of content for which players should turn to mods.  And that is why these games should be made with the intention of making them moddable.

An unmoddable game is a lesser game.

I agree games should be moddable. However, developers should not rely on mods to make the game better or to make the games how they should be (I am mostly talking about the Elder Scrolls games here). Having said that, I think nudity is something best left for mods. Nude mods seem to be the most detailed ones.

I think nude packs will be made even if the game is hard to mod. They always seem to get made.

Modifié par Pink Pony, 10 octobre 2013 - 08:34 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

cjones91 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't think you should ever expect to see a Cailan more naked than that.

The darkspawn would have stripped him of everything so it makes since for Cailan's body to be completely naked.

Why would they even bother? In fact why would darkspawn even string him up in the first place? There is no one there to demoralize, and the darkspawn don't seem intelligant enough to celebrate getting a trophy in the war. And beyond that, where is their higher awareness of human social hierarchy coming from? Why would they do that to cailan, a human, but leave duncan, a grey warden's, body undistrubed? They didn't seem to care about cailan much when the ogre squished him in his hand and tossed him aside like a used toothpaste tube.

Outside of taking his armor to melt down for their own use, like they would when scavanging every body, there is no reason for them to have even done more with his body than either tried to corrupt him, or used him as food.

[SheilaD67]

No. Change to nighttime clothing or even under clothes, but please...no nudity.

[thats1evildude]

cjones91 wrote...

The darkspawn would have stripped him of everything so it makes since for Cailan's body to be completely naked.

Sure, it makes sense they took his armour, because it was high quality and very valuable. But why would the darkspawn take his smallclothes? Are the darkspawn in need of underwear?

Modifié par thats1evildude, 11 octobre 2013 - 04:16 .

[BioWareM0d13]

thats1evildude wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

The darkspawn would have stripped him of everything so it makes since for Cailan's body to be completely naked.

Sure, it makes sense they took his armour, because it was high quality and very valuable. But why would the darkspawn take his smallclothes? Are the darkspawn in need of underwear?

Hanging the body nude would be another way of degrading the dead king. Its an added element of humiliation for the defeated people of Ferelden.

[Sylvius the Mad]

thats1evildude wrote...

But why would the darkspawn take his smallclothes?

Why would they be careful to leave it intact?  I don't expect they were particularly gentle with him.  Remember, by the time you head back there he's been dead for weeks.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Pink Pony wrote...

I think nude packs will be made even if the game is hard to mod. They always seem to get made.

But not always well.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Han Shot First wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

The darkspawn would have stripped him of everything so it makes since for Cailan's body to be completely naked.

Sure, it makes sense they took his armour, because it was high quality and very valuable. But why would the darkspawn take his smallclothes? Are the darkspawn in need of underwear?

Hanging the body nude would be another way of degrading the dead king. Its an added element of humiliation for the defeated people of Ferelden.

Humiliation to who? Nobody goes to ostagar, there's literally no point in what they've done. I don't think the darkspawn are intelligant enough to have pride in a trophy, and they dont' bring the corpse to denerim and display it there. They just do it for the player, and nothing else.

[BioWareM0d13]

It would basically be like this scene from the series Rome, depicting the surrender of Vercingetorix to Julius Caesar at the close of his conquest of Gaul. In that scene nudity is portrayed as being used a means to degrade or humiliate.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 11 octobre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Br3admax]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

But why would the darkspawn take his smallclothes?

Why would they be careful to leave it intact?  I don't expect they were particularly gentle with him.  Remember, by the time you head back there he's been dead for weeks.

It's actually been a lot longer than that. Time is a little wonky in DA. Accordng to Wynne, the year of the story is almost up as soon as you recruit her. 

[Rorschachinstein]

I'm 20 years old, I'm a grown as man. Same with the target audience of the game. Grown adults. If anyone is offended by pixel porn its people that wouldn't have ever even bought the game. As long as it's in good taste then it should be allowed. If I can have decapitations then why can't I have two naked men kiss?

Modifié par Rorschachinstein, 11 octobre 2013 - 04:56 .

[9TailsFox]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Myrkale wrote...

Sadly, that's why most people seem to want nudity. Every other page in this thread focuses on the Witcher's use of partial nudity during.......the sex scenes. Then there are the posts that believe that it should be used to provoke revulsion (broodmother/banshee). Is there a point to nudity besides that? Of course, but I do not see the writers/artists adding it in for those reasons.

We don't know much about how slaves are dressed, but I would wager that the slaves that are used as house servants generally have clothes on. Which makes it doubtful that we would ever see naked slaves unless we actually visit Tevinter, and the writers/artists decide to show us the full slave seen.

As someone who used a nude mod in DAO, I'd say that the two most effective applications of that nudity were:

1. Cailan's body when it is recovered from Ostagar.  Being tacked up is somehow less dignified when the dead king is naked.

2. The piles of corpses in Fort Drakon.  Having bodies stacked up in the corner is presumably an indication that the people in charge of Fort Drakon have little concern for human life.  But having those corpses be nude makes the scene more horrific, adding a level of inhumanity that wasn't there before.

I think those two scenes are more effective with nudity.

I don't care if the game features sex scenes - or even romances - at all.  I do play romances, but I don't need romances.  But even without any romantic content, I think nudity (or, at least, the possibility of nudity) gives the designers more tools at their disposal for creating atmosphere in their level design.

3. People in Howe prison was put in cells naked, but then i go to prison and start saving people all have underwear:blink:

[Dermain]

Han Shot First wrote...


Hanging the body nude would be another way of degrading the dead king. Its an added element of humiliation for the defeated people of Ferelden.

Explain to me where the darkspawn got the intelligence that leaving corpses nude is degrading.

Modifié par Myrkale, 11 octobre 2013 - 06:42 .

[BioWareM0d13]

Myrkale wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...


Hanging the body nude would be another way of degrading the dead king. Its an added element of humiliation for the defeated people of Ferelden.

Explain to me where the darkspawn got the intelligence that leaving corpses nude is degrading.

The darkspawn have weapons and armor. In order words the darkspawn have industry. They are mining metals which they smelt and use to craft the tools used to blacksmith which they then use to craft weapons and armor.

I think degrading a corpse by stripping it nude is a lot less complex.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 11 octobre 2013 - 06:49 .

[thats1evildude]

Han Shot First wrote...

Hanging the body nude would be another way of degrading the dead king. Its an added element of humiliation for the defeated people of Ferelden.

They strung up his corpse up at Ostagar. Nobody was ever going to see it except the darkspawn.

By this line of thinking, the darkspawn should be stripping all of their victims. Given the dozens of corpses you see in Origins that have put on display by the darkspawn, that would entail spending the whole game looking at naked dead bodies. Personally, that's not something I need in my life.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Why would they be careful to leave it intact?  I don't expect they were particularly gentle with him. 

I don't know how you do it, Sylvius, but I've mastered the ability of removing my pants without having to also take off my underwear.  Armour's a bit trickier, but I imagine it follows similar principles.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 11 octobre 2013 - 07:07 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Han Shot First wrote...

Myrkale wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...


Hanging the body nude would be another way of degrading the dead king. Its an added element of humiliation for the defeated people of Ferelden.

Explain to me where the darkspawn got the intelligence that leaving corpses nude is degrading.

The darkspawn have weapons and armor. In order words the darkspawn have industry. They are mining metals which they smelt and use to craft the tools used to blacksmith which they then use to craft weapons and armor.

I think degrading a corpse by stripping it nude is a lot less complex.

No, they actually don't.

Dragon Age Wiki Says....

Unlike the other major races of Thedas, the darkspawn have very little resembling any form of culture or social organization, and can barely be considered sapient. The only hint at a native culture is their propensity to convert statues into representations of the Old Gods. The average darkspawn possesses no intelligence beyond a simple animal cunning, and they do not possess any language beyond roars and grunts. They are also completely hostile to outsiders; anyone caught venturing into the Deep Roads will be attacked, and anything caught in their path during a raid or a Blight will be mercilessly slaughtered. The only exceptions are those infected with the darkspawn taint; it is rumoured that their weapons and armour are constructed by groups of servile ghouls, as the darkspawn themselves have no capacity to use tools beyond weapons.

I doubt the darkspawn would listen to anything ghouls would have to say on the subject of humiliating enemies. So I don't see how they would change tactics with displaying the dead they'd already done before, like hanging or impaling them, with their full armors in tact, and somehow decide cailan was a special corpse that needed special attention to.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 11 octobre 2013 - 07:11 .