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[Allan Schumacher]

It's a year long thread too, so lets not get toooooooo carried away in passing judgment.

[Cainhurst Crow]

A year long, 70 page thread that managed to avoid behind locked.

I don't know whether it should be decommissioned or put in a museum.

[zMataxa]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
(snip)
or put in a museum.

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LOL!
Only way to do that is to "sticky it" with a short Mod-intro.

Modifié par zMataxa, 11 octobre 2013 - 07:17 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

A year long, 70 page thread that managed to avoid behind locked.

I don't know whether it should be decommissioned or put in a museum.

As long as the thread doesn't go toooooooo crazy, I don't have any real beef.  It'd probably just get restarted otherwise.

[Thomas Andresen]

I'm 20 years old, I'm a grown as man.

That doesn't follow.

Passing a certain age threshold doesn't exempt anyone from being juvenile. Passing a certain age threshold doesn't suddenly turn you into an adult. Legally, it does, but that's an entirely different thing. "Growing up" isn't something you ever stop doing, not physically, and not mentally. Nor are the two ever in sync, with age or with each-other.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

I have a question. Dragon Age is the only game I've cared enough about to follow various forum threads and I've noticed how many times this issue gets discussed.

Do other games with romance/sex have as many threads or comments about the nudity level as Dragon Age?

Make that 2 questions.

If Dragon Age Origins hadn't gone the underwear sex route (sounds like a fetish, LOL) and from the beginning used camera angles, sheets, etc. during the sex scenes would there be so many threads about nudity?
No, I don't mention DA2 because I feel if DAO had done them differently then DA2's would have been different as well.

I'm really curious, not trying to get anybody riled up or anything.

[The Heretic of Time]

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

[AresKeith]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

That's how I'd prefer it

[9TailsFox]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

Why everyone just speaks about nudity in sex scenes then DA don't even have them. How about nudity in there it should be. Like people in Rendon Howe dungeon or King Cailan, Morrigan's magical bra. At least they done mother correct.

[Archaven]

Lol this thread just doesn't die. Bioware won't surprised us with nudity as they dare not offend their fanbase. I see other games did topless and there's not really an issue but it's a hell big one with Bioware.

[The Heretic of Time]

9TailsFox wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

Why everyone just speaks about nudity in sex scenes then DA don't even have them. How about nudity in there it should be. Like people in Rendon Howe dungeon or King Cailan, Morrigan's magical bra. At least they done mother correct.

How about you try to rephrase that in proper English? Because right now I don't have a clue what you're trying to say.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 11 octobre 2013 - 03:37 .

[Medhia Nox]

Would the Darkspawn even be aware of how "degrading" stringing up someone naked is?

Honestly - I wouldn't look at two people being crucified and say: "Oh my! But this one they stripped naked! How HORRIBLE!".

Both would be equally horrible.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 11 octobre 2013 - 04:16 .

[nici2412]

 If there are sex scenes there should be nudity. Dragon Age 2 was 18+ in europe (dont know usa) but the sex scenes in dragon age 2 felt like this game was for 11 years old kids who should be protected from nudity.(but even this 11 years old kids can see more nudity on tv or on the street every day) I dont want  a discussion about how ridiculous it is that nudity in games is bad while killing and torturing people is absolutely fine. Games just need to grow up and i think they are doing so. There was much nudity in witcher 2 and gta 5 for example and nobody had a porblem with this. so i think this should show bioware, they dont need to be scared from fox news any more. so make it realistic

Modifié par nici2412, 11 octobre 2013 - 09:44 .

[Sumthing]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

Why everyone just speaks about nudity in sex scenes then DA don't even have them. How about nudity in there it should be. Like people in Rendon Howe dungeon or King Cailan, Morrigan's magical bra. At least they done mother correct.

How about you try to rephrase that in proper English? Because right now I don't have a clue what you're trying to say.

He's trying to communicate with us.

[Petroclis]

Maybe Thedas is just as prudish as our world. If so, it makes sense the people there should be just as uncomfortable nude as we are, but who knows, maybe when we explore some of these new areas in DAI we will find lots of folks in the raw! I bet those Kossiths (sp?) would be even more intimidating.

[giveamanafish...]

AresKeith wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

That's how I'd prefer it

Me too. However, II think the problem was Fox News coverage in the US on the original Mass Effect. Most of that focused on same-sex romances, however one of the more memorable bits of video footage from the game showed top-rear footage of a nude Liara in bed with a prominent blackout mark added by Fox which implied you could see genitalia and stuff (on one of the Youtube postings on this coverage there is even a comment (roughly): 'No porn, bs, look as  --crack')

As far as I recall, and I would recall something like that, even tho now I just go make coffee when romances culminate, there were no genitalia nor any orifices in the actual footage. I think there was some artfull shading and the like. I think Bioware may have gone to underwear sex partly to avoid that kind of misleading coverage, as well probably to reduce art work costs.

[Pink Pony]

I think it would be interesting to see the arguments that erupt on the forums over the characters' nude bodies due to differences in how the players think they should be versus how they would be depicted in the game.

[Magdalena11]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nudity doesn't bother me. Bad taste does. No long johns, please!

[Ellanya]

AresKeith wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

That's how I'd prefer it

Yes! This is my opinion too!

[Xerxes52]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

While fade-to-black is perfectly fine with me, I think ME3's scene with Liara was probably the best way to go about it if the devs decide to put in nudity.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

IIRC, the body is a texture. Maybe that's not the right term but I mean the body is a complete thing including the underwear. It's not like there's a toggle somewhere which says 'underwear on/off' which they (the devs) fixed to be permanently on. Clothing, armor, Morrigan's robe are overlying textures which explains why when clothed she appears not to be wearing a bra but it magically appears when she is 'naked.'

I do not fault the devs at all for the decision they made to have a base underwear body for every race/sex. It was their choice, their game, they had their reasons. It's done. I do not fault them for not taking the resources to create a naked version for each body (or if the original was naked and they changed it, then I don't fault them for not using their resources to comb through the game to decide when and where they should switch out the base bodies). I have used naked mods and attractive underwear mods, and have enjoyed using both. I can agree that some scenes have that bit of extra 'oomph' of degradation/humiliation when the body is completely naked, but they are still pretty horrific with just underwear.
I only ask that going forward they hide the fact that the base bodies have underwear in romance scenes. Tasteful camera angles, sheets, etc. can imply that the participants are appropriately unclad without showing it. (Hint: this might be harder to do with those ugly DA2 longjohns). Sorry, couldn't resist.
Maybe the answer is something which might not be possible or practical: 2 levels of clothing. The base body is naked, level 1 is underwear, level 2 is clothing/armor. Most of the game your characters will wear both 1 and 2. I'm not going to risk chafing by not wearing something underneath my armor. This gives the freedom of nighttime attire which would not have the Level 1 on. Of course somebody would probably create a 'Remove level 1' mod which would certainly be easier than creating whole new textures . . . I feel I'm starting to ramble. I'm going away now.

[Undead Han]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

I think Liara's ME3 scene was the best romance scene Bioware has done. The dialogue and the characters were the focus, it served a purpose and wasn't gratuitous, and it seemed natural. Nudity was implied where appropriate and the characters wake up in bed afterwards and have dialogue, rather than just having it fade back to Shepard standing in his cabin fully clothed.

[dreamgazer]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

My opinion on all this:

I don't want to see underwear sex, I don't want to see a direct fade-to-black either, but I don't need to see boobies.

How about a tasteful sex scene that uses specific camera angles so that no nipples or genitals are directly seen, but we can still clearly see they're having sex? A bit like the romance scene between Shepard and Liara in ME3? I think I'd prefer that route for DA:I.

I thought it was in this thread that I posted my serious response to the question (must have been a clone discussion or something), but I agree with you pretty much word-for-word here.  R-rated movies and M-rated television series have been using angles, shadows, and obstructions to great effect for a long, long time. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:44 .