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[Ellanya]

 This is a very intriguing: 


http://www.gamerzines.com/playstation/dragon-inquisition-interview-talking.html 

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[One of the things BioWare RPGs are known for is their romance scenes, particularly the PG-13 camera angles and the soft focus Cinemax style approach. Has that changed at all?[/b]We certainly could push those romance scenes in any direction we wanted really. Something that didn’t work well is that we tried more, well I won’t say graphic, but in Dragon Age: Origins[/i] we had characters crawling around in their underwear and it looked weird because they were wearing these lacy Victoria Secret panties and outfits which looked out of place. Certainly when you have these characters interacting with each other in such an intimate way it’s incredibly expensive in terms of animation fidelity and getting it to look like they are really there and touching each other. I think Mass Effect[/i]’s scenes were done really well and I think we will take Inquisition’s scenes in that direction. You might have a nude character but they are framed in such a way that parts of them are in shadow, or having characters in various states of undress.We also want to focus not just on the sex itself, but also that this is the culmination of spending a lot of time with a character and getting to know them, and so we’re giving scenes a mature and tasteful treatment I guess. We’ll see where it goes for Dragon Age: Inquisition[/i], it’s something that we’re working on right now so we’ll see how these scenes pan out.]

I really hope we get a beautiful love scenes!:innocent:

Modifié par Ellanya, 14 octobre 2013 - 06:23 .

[jillabender]

Thanks for the link, Ellanya. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the romance scenes in DA:I as well!

On a different note, I think it's worth keeping in mind a point that David Gaider makes in the post I've linked to below: while there may be a lot of people who, from the point of view of some other people, can seem singularly fixated on romance, there's really no need to worry that BioWare will somehow be convinced to make romance the main focus of their games, because they prefer for it to be simply one element among many.

http://social.biowar...143/22#17414098

Modifié par jillabender, 15 octobre 2013 - 01:54 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Jill has a wise and sage like perspective

[Rawgrim]

Just a short question, Alan. I saw that interview where one of the devs said sex scenes are very expensive to make. Not being a game developer, I don`t get it. How is this more expensive than a regular cutscene, or regular animations?

[otis0310]

Tommyspa wrote...

Only if they try and make a scene like Samantha Traynor in the shower again. You know if they show something that actually requires nudity to not look stupid.

I agree with this, people do not wear underwear in the shower, so it would have to have nudity as a result.  I am also okay with partial nudity, ie. bare breasts.  Let's be honest, two people with no shirts on at all adds heat to sex scenes, so if you are trying to generate that heat in the audience it is appropriate.  That said we do not need to go all the way to "insert object".  There is no need for that to get the romance across, it is just gratuitous pornography at that point.

The point is that in this game they might not be interested in generating the excitement and passion in the romance.  They might be going in a different direction. After all, if they put that passion in the game the audience might not be as interested in the game anymore, they are just thinking about taking a cold shower.

[Quyk Sylvyr]

Rawgrim wrote...

Just a short question, Alan. I saw that interview where one of the devs said sex scenes are very expensive to make. Not being a game developer, I don`t get it. How is this more expensive than a regular cutscene, or regular animations?

I'm not a developer, but I would assume it has something to do with getting the figures to line up exactly.  Usually if two people are just standing next to eachother, they don't have to be at exactly x and y.  But in a romance scene, because the two figures are touching - off an inch and suddenly a hand is in a stomache instead of on top of it.  (The different races will make this more challenging since the movements may differ for each race.)

[draken-heart]

according to the link, they are thinking of going the original ME route of romance scenes, so that is hopeful.

[The_11thDoctor]

Why is this a topic? If the situation calls for nudity, its a mature game and can have it. Tasteful or non tasteful. Even if its just to help the game sell, add it if they want. The more hands that play the game, the better. If it attracts non fans and they discover that the game is amazing and they would have enjoyed it, even if some various news site didnt start propaganda on its inclusion of nudity due to the US being coddled and treated like a bunch of babies that bury their heads in the sand when boobies are flashed, then maybe the world and bioware will be better for it. If you cant handle nudity by 12-15, then something is seriously wrong. If your an adult, it shouldnt be a topic. Especially if your ok with cursing, murder, magic, stealing, politics and escapeism...all in RPGs and gaming. Nudity is the most natural of subjects. No one doesnt see nudity on a daily basis. Even if its just your body or your sig other.

Modifié par aang001, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:14 .

[otis0310]

aang001 wrote...

Why is this a topic? If the situation calls for nudity, its a mature game and can have it. Tasteful or non tasteful. Even if its just to help the game sell, add it if they want. The more hands that play the game, the better. If it attracts non fans and they discover that the game is amazing and they would have enjoyed it, even if some various news site didnt start propaganda on its inclusion of nudity due to the US being coddled and treated like a bunch of babies that bury their heads in the sand when boobies are flashed, then maybe the world and bioware will be better for it.

This got a giggle out of me.  Other than that I won't touch this comment.  I'll just sit back and watch the fireworks begin.....

[Allan Schumacher]

Rawgrim wrote...

Just a short question, Alan. I saw that interview where one of the devs said sex scenes are very expensive to make. Not being a game developer, I don`t get it. How is this more expensive than a regular cutscene, or regular animations?

I actually had answered in the other thread, but it's moving quickly so I'll answer it here too.

Basically, having two characters act in close proximity with one another poses a lot of challenge because clipping is such a concern.  I think the requirements go up even compared to a combat interaction.

If my hand isn't quite on the shoulder of someone as my Inquisitor impales them with a sword, it's no big deal.  If I move in for a kiss and  half my face clips into the face of my love interest, well.... awkwaarrrrrrrrrd.

[AlanC9]

Quyk Sylvyr wrote...

I'm not a developer, but I would assume it has something to do with getting the figures to line up exactly.  Usually if two people are just standing next to eachother, they don't have to be at exactly x and y.  But in a romance scene, because the two figures are touching - off an inch and suddenly a hand is in a stomache instead of on top of it.  (The different races will make this more challenging since the movements may differ for each race.)

That's how I've heard it. Adam Miller, of NWN/NWN2 modding fame, once talked about how tough it was to do even a simple kissing animation without something clipping on something else. That he even tried it in NWN surprised me, since Bio didn't bother themselves. That he actually got it to work amazed me.

Modifié par AlanC9, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:24 .

[David7204]

It's reasons like these that have me convinced multiple species in Mass Effect would be a very, very bad idea.

[Rawgrim]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Just a short question, Alan. I saw that interview where one of the devs said sex scenes are very expensive to make. Not being a game developer, I don`t get it. How is this more expensive than a regular cutscene, or regular animations?

I actually had answered in the other thread, but it's moving quickly so I'll answer it here too.

Basically, having two characters act in close proximity with one another poses a lot of challenge because clipping is such a concern.  I think the requirements go up even compared to a combat interaction.

If my hand isn't quite on the shoulder of someone as my Inquisitor impales them with a sword, it's no big deal.  If I move in for a kiss and  half my face clips into the face of my love interest, well.... awkwaarrrrrrrrrd.

Ok, cool. Thanks for the reply. I learn something new every day.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The question isnt wether or not there should be nudity. The question is, wether or not we should care at all.

[Angrywolves]

Obviously some people /players don't want any of it.
No romantic content. No sex. No nudity or near nudity.
Their arguments are it's porn, and romance fans are depraved, or it's a waste of Bioware's time and resources that would be better spent on other things, or Bioware should use fade to black , allow romance fans to make romance mods, or romantic content should be dlc only.
Well none of the naysayers suggestions are going to adopted /accepted by Bioware it seems.
The naysayers seem disappointed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I prefer a fade to black to a silly sex scene.

[Br3admax]

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously some people /players don't want any of it.
No romantic content. No sex. No nudity or near nudity.
Their arguments are it's porn, and romance fans are depraved, or it's a waste of Bioware's time and resources that would be better spent on other things, or Bioware should use fade to black , allow romance fans to make romance mods, or romantic content should be dlc only.
Well none of the naysayers suggestions are going to adopted /accepted by Bioware it seems.
The naysayers seem disappointed.

The lack of the understanding of both logic and sarcasm in this post is amusing. The fact that you think that anyone actually thinks that romances should be dlc is humerous. 

[billy the squid]

Angrywolves wrote...

Obviously some people /players don't want any of it.
No romantic content. No sex. No nudity or near nudity.
Their arguments are it's porn, and romance fans are depraved, or it's a waste of Bioware's time and resources that would be better spent on other things, or Bioware should use fade to black , allow romance fans to make romance mods, or romantic content should be dlc only.
Well none of the naysayers suggestions are going to adopted /accepted by Bioware it seems.
The naysayers seem disappointed.

They're still deviants and just want ****** material for a new kink meme fill, so gues what.

[Bizantura]

Blood & gore = normal social behavior.

Sex = diviant behavior.

Procreation = stork or cabbages take your pick.

Why is this topic so stuck in the middle ages? The clipping issue is news to me and makes it understandable to limit love/sex scenes in any game.

[ScarMK]

Br3ad wrote...

 What we write

Everyone wrote....

We don't care. What's the point? Is nudity really that important? It's so minor and pointless. The game isn't about sex.

What you read

Everyone else for some reason thinks we wrote...

Ah, boobies are scary! Put on clothes! Ghastly, I tells ya! And women wearing pants?! Proper people don't look this way! Nudity is for the Devil!

 

Just needs to be resaid.

[DarthLaxian]

otis0310 wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

Only if they try and make a scene like Samantha Traynor in the shower again. You know if they show something that actually requires nudity to not look stupid.

I agree with this, people do not wear underwear in the shower, so it would have to have nudity as a result.  I am also okay with partial nudity, ie. bare breasts.  Let's be honest, two people with no shirts on at all adds heat to sex scenes, so if you are trying to generate that heat in the audience it is appropriate.  That said we do not need to go all the way to "insert object".  There is no need for that to get the romance across, it is just gratuitous pornography at that point.

The point is that in this game they might not be interested in generating the excitement and passion in the romance.  They might be going in a different direction. After all, if they put that passion in the game the audience might not be as interested in the game anymore, they are just thinking about taking a cold shower.

hey,

i got to cut in here:

what's wrong with pornography? (IMHO: nothing - at least if you aren't either a prude or a feminist who says it shows how women are made objects (while not noticing the same happening to the male porn actors!))

i mean, sorry, but:

aren't these games RATED ADULT? (for violence already - and that is no concern, because the audience is supposed to be mature (adult) already? - so why not show some flesh...i mean, sorry, but i have seen my share of naked women (not hundreds, but a few) and i have not gone mad because i saw that (that's how nakedness is treated in video-games, like it would make people go crazy if they saw someone naked *shakes his head* i just don't get it...why do all companies bow down to prudes and extremists (the same extremists that give games with killing and gore to children...but if there is one nipple exposed the game suddenly becomes evil, not minding the hundreds of animated enemies your kid has brutally slaughtered before being shown that nipple in the first place....bah, i can't comprehend people and if i were making a game that had love-scenes and romance, i would go "all the way" (i just would not show hours of love making - maybe just the start of the scene with a fade to black, but not these awkward "we are prudes, too" scenes we have had in DA before

greetings LAX

[EmperorSahlertz]

In the ideal world, we wouldn't care one way or the other. Honestly, there is so much more to concern ourselves with, yet THIS is what we spend time on? Grow the **** up goddamn it...