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[Androme]

Flemeth saved(?) Alistairs father (and Loghain if I'm not mistaken?) and warned him
Flemeth saved the Warden and Alistair and helped them
Flemeth saved Hawke, which eventually allowed a chain of events to lead up to the state the world of Thedas is in in DA3.

Now, what does the title of this thread have to do with anything? Where am I headed with this?

The brief image of an army of Morrigans (or Morrigan look-alikes) being led by Flemeth is a ''flashback'' that Hawke seems to experience just before his eyes turns completely red and he rips apart the Arishok in the trailer. I don't know if that is just something they added in the trailer.. for the sake of it, I don't know. But it could also be something of importance. Sure, this was talked about alot before the release of DA2 and people expected to see something more Morrigan/Flemeth related in DA2. But it never happened, perhaps it was some sort of indication of Flemeths long-term plans? Because we also see an army of TEMPLARS fighting against this army of Morrigans, could this be a hint towards what we would come to expect AFTER DA2? I think so. 

What can we make of this? Do you believe this has any relevance to anything at all?

I just felt like creating this thread since there has been no discussions about it for a long time from what I've seen.

[Vandicus]

 Time Travel. Yep I said it here first folks.


Morrigan time travels

[Atakuma]

Those were just mages, they just reused the same model for each of them because the scene only lasts like a second.

[Androme]

More than likely the case I suspect.
But it doesn't escape the fact that they really really do look like Morrigan, all of them. And a scene of Flemeth looking like a war leader with her head high on top of a cliff a millisecond before the scene, I dunno lol.

[Rawgrim]

I allways thought it was somehting that got cut, to be honest.

[Neoleviathan]

If it ment anything it might have just been forshadowing for the dlc that never were, but now they can probably recycle the ideas they had for those & use them for this game.

[whykikyouwhy]

Perhaps the scene was not so much an actual flashback, but a nod to the encounter between Flemeth and Hawke, and intended to symbolize the fear of the legend that is the Witch of the Wilds.The codex entry for her says this:

"For a hundred years, Flemeth plotted, stealing men from the Chasind to sire monstrous daughters: Horrific things that could kill a man with fear. These Korcari witches led an army of Chasind from the Wilds to strike at the Alamarri tribes. They were defeated by the hero Cormac, and all the witches burned, so they say, but even now the Wilders whisper that Flemeth lives on in the marsh, and she and her daughters steal those men who come too near."

What better to bring about terror of things/creatures magical, and to foreshadow upheaval and the precipice of change than an army of witches being led by a woman who might be a dragon? 

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[Fallstar]

I'm not sure if they expected people to analyze the trailer in so much detail, so I think they were just re-using mage models to symbolize the fight between the mages and templars. Although if that is the case, the fact that Flemeth was leading the mages against the templars is interesting to say the least. Perhaps we'll see some templars a-roastin in DA3.

[jkflipflopDAO]

 Seriously, I hope the Mage/Templar thing isn't the centerpiece again. It's so lame.

I want to be a Grey Warden fighting the Darkspawn horde. Give me that or change the name on the box.

[septembervirgin]

I think that army didn't look like Morrigan at all: they were all in armour, not mages as far as I could see. I'll rewatch it though.

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I think those "morrigans" were female mages who don't resemble Morrigan very much at all: the faces are of longer proportions, also their hair is long, and their skin isn't peach so much as pale white.  The robes they wear are not Morriganesque but rather long robes to cover most of their lower body (Morrigan usually let her legs freely move in pantaloons).

If they were all Morrigan, they're also considerably more bosomy than Morrigan has ever been portrayed.  Morrigan has always been shown as slender and she seems to have contained her top in a cloth halter.  Furthermore, she loves jewelry -- none of the mages are wearing much in the way of visible jewelry.

It's probably symbollic of an earlier game plot, where Flemeth meddled more obtrusively in the Kirkwall massacre.  Also, perhaps the Kirkwall chantry was composed entirely of female mages in that earlier plot.  Maybe it was just self-amusement "girls against boys" sort of deal.

I do doubt that they were supposed to be Morrigan at all, although a similar aesthetic intent might have inspired the female mages (wanting for an alluring female physique with a dark and vampiric costume).

Modifié par septembervirgin, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[MoogleCoat]

Alright, I've been searching for a good few moments, where in the world can i find this trailer?

[Androme]

Actually, now that I think of it. They look more like Bethany

[whykikyouwhy]

MoogleCoat wrote...

Alright, I've been searching for a good few moments, where in the world can i find this trailer?

Try this one - the scenes in question start around the 2:04 mark.

[Faroth]

I'm still more intrigued that Morrigan's dialogue about change coming and that people fear change was almost exactly what Flemeth said to Hawke.

I think Morrigan had somehow foreseen the times ahead for mages and went through the mirror to somehow research/study/prepare for it.

There's no question Morrigan WILL be back eventually. Even if you chose to attack her in Witch Hunt, she certainly didn't get a "death scene" from it.

[Calians]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

 Seriously, I hope the Mage/Templar thing isn't the centerpiece again. It's so lame.

I want to be a Grey Warden fighting the Darkspawn horde. Give me that or change the name on the box.

I don't think the game series is souly based on fighting darkspawn....
Infact..someone double check on what I say(Not really deep into the universe of it) But weren't those who tried to get to the golden city that turned it dark magic users? If so I daresay this mage/templar thing is important.

Modifié par Calians, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[BlazingSpeed]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Perhaps the scene was not so much an actual flashback, but a nod to the encounter between Flemeth and Hawke, and intended to symbolize the fear of the legend that is the Witch of the Wilds.The codex entry for her says this:

"For a hundred years, Flemeth plotted, stealing men from the Chasind to sire monstrous daughters: Horrific things that could kill a man with fear. These Korcari witches led an army of Chasind from the Wilds to strike at the Alamarri tribes. They were defeated by the hero Cormac, and all the witches burned, so they say, but even now the Wilders whisper that Flemeth lives on in the marsh, and she and her daughters steal those men who come too near."

What better to bring about terror of things/creatures magical, and to foreshadow upheaval and the precipice of change than an army of witches being led by a woman who might be a dragon? 

In DA:O Morrigan says that Flemeth had told her that the war with Cormac never happened and that Cormac had led a brutal Civil war against his own people. Morrigan then saids that the great Chasind war came later on and that Flemeth claims not to know how that war started.

As for the trailer I was hoping that that event would have been in the game but you know how trailers can be (Dead Island comes to mind...) just as I rented DA:O on the PS3 before buying the PC version I also rented DA2 for the PS3 and saw no sign of any epic battles with Mages or Templars.

Hopefully DA3 will start with such a battle cutscene or otherwise.

[marshalleck]

"It's cold in our tents..."

Giggidy giggidy.

[Jerrybnsn]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

 Seriously, I hope the Mage/Templar thing isn't the centerpiece again. It's so lame.

I want to be a Grey Warden fighting the Darkspawn horde. Give me that or change the name on the box.

So you'll be fine with the Mage/Templar thing just as long as the title on the box says Dragon Age: Darkspawn Hunt?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[whykikyouwhy]

BlazingSpeed wrote...

In DA:O Morrigan says that Flemeth had told her that the war with Cormac never happened and that Cormac had led a brutal Civil war against his own people. Morrigan then saids that the great Chasind war came later on and that Flemeth claims not to know how that war started.

As for the trailer I was hoping that that event would have been in the game but you know how trailers can be (Dead Island comes to mind...) just as I rented DA:O on the PS3 before buying the PC version I also rented DA2 for the PS3 and saw no sign of any epic battles with Mages or Templars.

Hopefully DA3 will start with such a battle cutscene or otherwise.

What may be the truth of the matter is a whole separate entity from the legend (though who is to say whether or not Morrigan knows the truth, or is speaking it to the Warden and company). Whatever the case, the myth built up around Flemeth and her ilk have painted the witches as creatures of mystery working to their own whim, thus inspiring fear, or perhaps awe. The populace know or have heard of the witch and her daughters - she is essentially the boogeyman.

If the scene was intended to have a correlation to the games, as opposed to just being trailer fodder, then perhaps it was foreshadowing of the imminent war/schism, and the events of Act 3.