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This is pure speculation on my part, but I think the Warden may be just a little bit angry at the way events have unfolded since the Blight ended. I mean, he/she spent the majority of his/her first weeks as a Warden raising an army to fight the Darkspawn, who are driven back to the Deep Roads when the Warden slays the Archdemon (Dragon Age: Origins). Then he/she journeys to Amaranthine to fulfill her duty to the Order by commanding Vigil's Keep. The Warden then fights off another host of Darkspawn and can choose to strike a deal with the Architect so that the Blight never happens again (Dragon Age: Awakening). All in all, it's not been a rosy time for the Warden, but I think he/she can congratulate themselves in fighting the good fight and helping bring a spot of peace in Thedas...

...Only to see it crumble 7 years later when a former recruit (Anders) of his/hers commits a henious act of terrorism that sparks a bloody Mage and Templar conflict. I don't know about you, but my Warden would be pretty pissed off at the state Thedas is in now.

Modifié par horacethegrey, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .


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They need to have the warden in this game in some shape or form. You can't just assume he disappeared and leave it at that.

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AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

They need to have the warden in this game in some shape or form. You can't just assume he disappeared and leave it at that.


Seriously! I don't care if it's only for a couple minutes. I'd like to at least see them a little.

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Eeeeeeh idk. I mean, it completely depends on how each individual chose to role-play their Warden.

For example: mine probably doesn't care an inch about the Templar/Mage conflict. Heck, their only interest in the events of DA:O was 'survival'. With the Blight over and the Warden missing (following the events of DA2) it's perfectly within the realm of possibility for my Warden to be kicking it back cabin style sipping on a mug of Orzammar's finest without a care in the world. XD

Let someone else worry about the next big catastrophe, like the protag of DA3! XD

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horacethegrey wrote...

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think the Warden may be just a little bit angry at the way events have unfolded since the Blight ended. I mean, he/she spent the majority of his/her first weeks as a Warden raising an army to fight the Darkspawn, who are driven back to the Deep Roads when the Warden slays the Archdemon (Dragon Age: Origins). Then he/she journeys to Amaranthine to fulfill her duty to the Order by commanding Vigil's Keep. The Warden then fights off another host of Darkspawn and can choose to strike a deal with the Architect so that the Blight never happens again (Dragon Age: Awakening). All in all, it's not been a rosy time for the Warden, but I think he/she can congratulate themselves in fighting the good fight and helping bring a spot of peace in Thedas...

...Only to see it crumble 7 years later when a former recruit (Anders) of his/hers commits a henious act of terrorism that sparks a bloody Mage and Templar conflict. I don't know about you, but my Warden would be pretty pissed off at the state Thedas is in now.


Mine would be thinking "balls to this! Alistair, grab your things... let's leave this one to the Inquistior!"

... But seriously though, I hope she's not gonna get killed off or Alistair for that matter. I'd prefer them to either die together or (preferably) not at all! 

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Justice and Anders are not the only one to blame for the war. It would happen regardless of Anders' action. It would just escalate it in one region. There will always be internal war between different different groups just like in real life. The darkspawns are there to prevent people from realizing how much they hate each other. The dwarves see themselves as superior and dislike surfacers. The elves have been oppressed for centuries by the humans, the mages and templars are out to kill one another. There are many internal conflicts in Thedas that can escalate into civil wars at any moment. I don't think the Warden can prevent any of this. Politics is very different from just fighting darkspawns.

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Well they should at least let us know what happened to the warden!

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From the leaked descriptions of DA3's story I would say the mage/Templar conflict is put on the back burner pretty quickly.

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LolaLei wrote...

horacethegrey wrote...

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think the Warden may be just a little bit angry at the way events have unfolded since the Blight ended. I mean, he/she spent the majority of his/her first weeks as a Warden raising an army to fight the Darkspawn, who are driven back to the Deep Roads when the Warden slays the Archdemon (Dragon Age: Origins). Then he/she journeys to Amaranthine to fulfill her duty to the Order by commanding Vigil's Keep. The Warden then fights off another host of Darkspawn and can choose to strike a deal with the Architect so that the Blight never happens again (Dragon Age: Awakening). All in all, it's not been a rosy time for the Warden, but I think he/she can congratulate themselves in fighting the good fight and helping bring a spot of peace in Thedas...

...Only to see it crumble 7 years later when a former recruit (Anders) of his/hers commits a henious act of terrorism that sparks a bloody Mage and Templar conflict. I don't know about you, but my Warden would be pretty pissed off at the state Thedas is in now.


Mine would be thinking "balls to this! Alistair, grab your things... let's leave this one to the Inquistior!"

... But seriously though, I hope she's not gonna get killed off or Alistair for that matter. I'd prefer them to either die together or (preferably) not at all! 

Well, Alistair and the Warden can't live very long, so we know that they will die a painful death eventually. :?

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Funny...

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

horacethegrey wrote...

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think the Warden may be just a little bit angry at the way events have unfolded since the Blight ended. I mean, he/she spent the majority of his/her first weeks as a Warden raising an army to fight the Darkspawn, who are driven back to the Deep Roads when the Warden slays the Archdemon (Dragon Age: Origins). Then he/she journeys to Amaranthine to fulfill her duty to the Order by commanding Vigil's Keep. The Warden then fights off another host of Darkspawn and can choose to strike a deal with the Architect so that the Blight never happens again (Dragon Age: Awakening). All in all, it's not been a rosy time for the Warden, but I think he/she can congratulate themselves in fighting the good fight and helping bring a spot of peace in Thedas...

...Only to see it crumble 7 years later when a former recruit (Anders) of his/hers commits a henious act of terrorism that sparks a bloody Mage and Templar conflict. I don't know about you, but my Warden would be pretty pissed off at the state Thedas is in now.


Mine would be thinking "balls to this! Alistair, grab your things... let's leave this one to the Inquistior!"

... But seriously though, I hope she's not gonna get killed off or Alistair for that matter. I'd prefer them to either die together or (preferably) not at all! 

Well, Alistair and the Warden can't live very long, so we know that they will die a painful death eventually. :?


I had my hopes pinned on plot armor. Bah, they've got at least another 10 years left in them... but if they've gotta die then I'd want them to go charging head long into battle together.

(Secretly hopes they find a cure for the taint lol.)

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .


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AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

Well they should at least let us know what happened to the warden!


I'm pretty sure it's left ambiguous so that you, the player, can fix whatever ending you like to your Warden's story.

Personally, that's my preferance.  Half the reason I didn't finish ME3 was because ALL of the endings left a sour taste in my mouth.  The endings to DAO and DA2 at least leave enough wiggle room for me to come up with my own happy/angsty endings.

:(

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Justice and Anders are not the only one to blame for the war. It would happen regardless of Anders' action. It would just escalate it in one region. There will always be internal war between different different groups just like in real life. The darkspawns are there to prevent people from realizing how much they hate each other. The dwarves see themselves as superior and dislike surfacers. The elves have been oppressed for centuries by the humans, the mages and templars are out to kill one another. There are many internal conflicts in Thedas that can escalate into civil wars at any moment. I don't think the Warden can prevent any of this. Politics is very different from just fighting darkspawns.

You speak truly. But you'd also think that the Blight would have made each of these warring factions realize how much better it is to stand together when an overwhelming force threatens to destroy everything you built. 

Then again, the majority of DAO took place only in Ferelden, so it's unlikely the other nations of Thedas would participate in such a united front. Meredith and her zealot Templars in Kirkwall didn't even encounter the Blight (with the exception of Cullen).

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MorningBird wrote...

AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

Well they should at least let us know what happened to the warden!


I'm pretty sure it's left ambiguous so that you, the player, can fix whatever ending you like to your Warden's story.

Personally, that's my preferance.  Half the reason I didn't finish ME3 was because ALL of the endings left a sour taste in my mouth.  The endings to DAO and DA2 at least leave enough wiggle room for me to come up with my own happy/angsty endings.

:(


I would be perfectly happy and agree completely with this if my Warden wasn't missing. I kind of feel like they should finish what happened if they're going to say she's missing, you know? Or at least not give Alistair 's fate if they don't address the warden's. <3Maybe they ran off and lived in a happy cottage together with their adopted kid. <3

No?

Modifié par Hayllee, 18 septembre 2012 - 05:38 .


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My warden wouldn't give a **** personally let people sort out their own messes themselves this time.

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LolaLei wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

horacethegrey wrote...

This is pure speculation on my part, but I think the Warden may be just a little bit angry at the way events have unfolded since the Blight ended. I mean, he/she spent the majority of his/her first weeks as a Warden raising an army to fight the Darkspawn, who are driven back to the Deep Roads when the Warden slays the Archdemon (Dragon Age: Origins). Then he/she journeys to Amaranthine to fulfill her duty to the Order by commanding Vigil's Keep. The Warden then fights off another host of Darkspawn and can choose to strike a deal with the Architect so that the Blight never happens again (Dragon Age: Awakening). All in all, it's not been a rosy time for the Warden, but I think he/she can congratulate themselves in fighting the good fight and helping bring a spot of peace in Thedas...

...Only to see it crumble 7 years later when a former recruit (Anders) of his/hers commits a henious act of terrorism that sparks a bloody Mage and Templar conflict. I don't know about you, but my Warden would be pretty pissed off at the state Thedas is in now.


Mine would be thinking "balls to this! Alistair, grab your things... let's leave this one to the Inquistior!"

... But seriously though, I hope she's not gonna get killed off or Alistair for that matter. I'd prefer them to either die together or (preferably) not at all! 

Well, Alistair and the Warden can't live very long, so we know that they will die a painful death eventually. :?


I had my hopes pinned on plot armor. Bah, they've got at least another 10 years left in them... but if they've gotta die then I'd want them to go charging head long into battle together.

(Secretly hopes they find a cure for the taint lol.)

Since the darkspawns have been dealt with and they decide to focus on the civil wars. I don't think they will write a cure for the darkspawn. I kinda feel sad knowing that the warden and Alistair won't have their happily ever after ending, but at least they can be together with their short time on Earth. If there is a maker, they would be together with him after death, so maybe it's not all bad. :lol:

I would agree though, the warden and Alistair need to go out on a blaze, they should go as far into the deeproad as possible and kill all the darkspawns they could get their hands onto. It's strangely romantic to die next to the one you love. lol :P

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The warden obviously remembered something that happened to him before the first game. Something ancient and evil which threatens the whole continent. So he takes his trusty dog and goes there trying to stop it before it destroys all his friends. Unfortunately it doesnt go as planned and Hawke (who remembers being friend of the warden) goes after him to help...

Hmm, suddenly I have dejavu.

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Hayllee wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

Well they should at least let us know what happened to the warden!


I'm pretty sure it's left ambiguous so that you, the player, can fix whatever ending you like to your Warden's story.

Personally, that's my preferance.  Half the reason I didn't finish ME3 was because ALL of the endings left a sour taste in my mouth.  The endings to DAO and DA2 at least leave enough wiggle room for me to come up with my own happy/angsty endings.

:(


I would be perfectly happy and agree completely with this if my Warden wasn't missing. I kind of feel like they should finish what happened if they're going to say she's missing, you know? Or at least not give Alistair 's fate if they don't address the warden's. <3Maybe they ran off and lived in a happy cottage together with their adopted kid. <3

No?


Hahah, I'd say that's fair enough for a Queen/King Warden.  Otherwise, I think 'missing' could easily be interperated as 'off the Seeker's radar'.

This does leave players with enough room to dictate their Warden's fate.  After all, if they stuck with the Wardens, the actual Order is under no obligation to release his/her whereabouts to the Chantry/Seekers/Divine.  If they abandoned the Wardens to do their 'own thang' like Anders, 'missing' is plenty ambiguous enough.

Having a Queen/King Warden though does pose more of a loose end, especially if you have a married King Alistair/Queen Anora (? Not actually sure if she shows up in DA2) appear in Act 3.

But even then, a Queen/King of the Warden's standing is likely entitled 'sebaticle'. XD  Maric 'abandoned' his throne to play guide in the Deep Roads, after all, and easily could have died down there... and Loghain (I think) was the only one to know his true wereabouts.

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I'd like to see Morrigan have some interaction in the new game, maybe even give my Warden a cameo. But, given the arc I used for my Warden, I thought it dramatically awesome that he turned his back on everyone and all he had fought for to spend time with Morrigan on the other side of the Eluvian. But Muffins the mabari must be dead. How long do mabari live anyway?

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I`d love it if Morrigan has his soul or something. Having sacrificed the warden for some evil purpose.

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horacethegrey wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Justice and Anders are not the only one to blame for the war. It would happen regardless of Anders' action. It would just escalate it in one region. There will always be internal war between different different groups just like in real life. The darkspawns are there to prevent people from realizing how much they hate each other. The dwarves see themselves as superior and dislike surfacers. The elves have been oppressed for centuries by the humans, the mages and templars are out to kill one another. There are many internal conflicts in Thedas that can escalate into civil wars at any moment. I don't think the Warden can prevent any of this. Politics is very different from just fighting darkspawns.

You speak truly. But you'd also think that the Blight would have made each of these warring factions realize how much better it is to stand together when an overwhelming force threatens to destroy everything you built. 

Then again, the majority of DAO took place only in Ferelden, so it's unlikely the other nations of Thedas would participate in such a united front. Meredith and her zealot Templars in Kirkwall didn't even encounter the Blight (with the exception of Cullen).

Many people are very territorial by nature, and time tends to make people forget many things. That's why history will often repeat itself. When you have so many groups of races living together, they will start to compare themselves against one another, whether subconsiously or not. The dwarves prefer to live in isolation, so they don't have a lot of chance to interact with outsiders. Their viewpoint will mostly depend on their perception of what outsiders are like, which isn't very favorable. Of all the races, I feel like dwarves will have the hardest time to get along with the other races. Even between the Dalish elves and city elves. the city elves look at the Dalish elves as savages, which also happens because they don't often interact with one another much. I find it interesting that while, as a group of people, the city elves are being oppressed, they would look down on another group as inferior. It's like despite being oppressed, some city elves actually look at the
humans as being superior and worship them instead of their own kinds.. The Danish elves themselves see the city elves as snobs, so it's not like they're any better. The darkspawns are only united them temporary. Once the threat is gone, they will start to turn on each other.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 18 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .


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Blah my Warden stepped into the mirror. He also flipped off everybody as he went.

On a serious note, I would hope at the very lest he is mentioned if morrigan shows up.

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AdmiralDavidAnderson wrote...

They need to have the warden in this game in some shape or form. You can't just assume he disappeared and leave it at that.


Just my opinion, but I personally think the Warden, Hawke, Marric and the new protag will have a HUGE role in some way shape or form together.

But, yes, to the OP, my canon Warden was pissed as **** with Anders.

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I hope there are some references at least. My Wardens varied from wanting to keep helping around Ferelden to those who'd want to track down Anders and then beat him senseless for his stupidity.

Not counting the whole.... when the heck did Warden/Hawke meet and how can the Warden disappear if he/she is the king or queen?

My favorite FDC Warden spent her days traveling with Zevran and training new Wardens like Bethany.... so no disappearing for her...

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My mage Warden's hiding somewhere warm and cozy with Alistair, thanking the Maker it's not her job to clean up this giant mess. She figures she owes the world one saving, and that's it. And my elf Warden is dead, so she and the Maker are hanging out having margaritas and thinking, "These b****es are crazy."