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#201
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David Gaider wrote...


So it's good they feel enough about it at all to speak... but I don't trust their stated reasons any more than I would trust someone to discern how I personally feel about Battlestar Galactica based solely on hearing me rant about the ending (for the record: I love the series, but you wouldn't know that if you heard my rant). If we took everything negative as gospel, I'm pretty sure we would never do anything.


Thank you.  Finally someone who can appreciate and understand how some of us Mass Effect fans felt about the series.

And yes, loved Battlestar Galactica, but the ending left a very sour taste.

Still, I support you guys, and look forward to DAIII!

Modifié par Bathaius, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:07 .


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Dave of Canada wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

I've never gotten the Tallis hate at all. I thought she was quite charming.


Dismissing the whole Felicia Day aspect, were you anti-Qunari? Did you try at all to threaten her or try to kill her for the scroll? How'd you feel when Hawke suddenly doesn't do anything, allowing plot-armored Tallis to walk away?

She creates heavy feelings, especially if you're not fine with her walking away with the scroll. The whole Felicia Day aspect just adds more to those feelings and then you've got a character which I'd like to not see ever again but undoubtedly will due to the writers loving her.

That is why I will not buy that dlc ever.Seriously late game we get to tell a certain character to f off because we don't trust them why couldn't we do that here?I don't like being accesory to a Qunari invasion plot.

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How can her voice acting be bad if she's acting her own character? :blink:

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 20 septembre 2012 - 01:25 .


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How about, let's NOT kill Tallis?

<_<

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I actually really like Tallis. It was fun to have her as a companion.
(Granted, I might be biased because MotA was so refreshing and funny.)

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Blackrising wrote...

I actually really like Tallis. It was fun to have her as a companion.
(Granted, I might be biased because MotA was so refreshing and funny.)

This is about the character, not the DLC in which she featured. She is attached to the DLC, and only that and a brief letter if you played it in Act 1 or 2. It is about her personality, beliefs, etc. They have no weighing (weigh-in?) on whether or not players can like her as a person/character. So how can you really be biased towards her based on the situation she's put in?

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 20 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .


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Orian Tabris wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I actually really like Tallis. It was fun to have her as a companion.
(Granted, I might be biased because MotA was so refreshing and funny.)

This is about the character, not the DLC in which she featured. She is attached to the DLC, and only that and a brief letter if you played it in Act 1 or 2. It is about her personality, beliefs, etc. They have no weighing (weigh-in?) on whether or not players can like her as a person/character. So how can you really be biased towards her based on the situation she's put in?


Because the fact that I enjoyed MotA so much makes me remember the things associated with it positively. I probably would have liked Tallis even if MotA hadn't been so enjoyable, but the quality of the DLC makes me like her more.

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I like Felicia, I liked Tallis too (even if my RP character Hawke did not) and I quite enjoyed the DLC.

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Dessalines wrote...

I didnt think Tallis look liked Felicia Day, and I don't want to kill Tallis. It seems to me that the reason that people want to kill is because
1)She was created by Felicia Day.
3)People felt that Mark of Assasin was just a vehicle for Felicia Day.
4)Her voice acting was not good.
5)Her character was annoying, and you were forced to be friends with her.


1) Felicia Day didn't create Tallis. Bioware did, and presented Felicia with a handful of ideas that were conceived about a Qunari character, and out of all of them Felicia Day picked Tallis, the Elven Ben-Hassrath. Bioware then handled the writing of her for MotA, whereas Felicia handled the writing of her for Redemption -- a "meh" webseries.

3) and 4) Though I like Tallis -- aside from a few minor gripes in what may or may not have been done in her dialogue -- I was appalled by the "anti-Qunari" ending the DLC featured, which was a clear sign to me that Bioware has not in fact been listening to and addressing the complaints made about DAII.

At least, not the complaints that were made by the people that were disappointed with DAII. Many people said "At least have Hawke try to succeed at something and fail, if you're deadset on one outcome" -- myself among them.

And it upset me, as Legacy left me hopeful. I thought that "Hey, they are addressing the concerns of the people that were disappointed with the game". Then MotA came along and made that hope disappear. Now, I'm left with a DLC where I'm forced to allow Tallis to walk off with information that could do a lot of damage to the Qunari's war efforts, by Bioware's own poor writing of that one moment.

MotA was fine up until that point -- aside from the save corruption issue which still hasn't been fixed. In fact, the very first Hawke I played it with was demonstrating some intelligence. The most notable instance was when the Duke was threatening Hawke and Kirkwall after saying he'd report everything to Empress Celene. He said "And who's going to tell her?"

Granted, this particular Tobias Hawke -- I made many -- was also trying to establish some diplomatic relations with Orlais prior to the battle, wanting to repair any damage that may have been done between Kirkwall and Orlais by Tallis' deception.

He liked her, but didn't want to be a knowing part of her plans if he could help it. When the Duke refused to hear him out and sent Cahir after Hawke, he knew that it would be futile to keep trying. So he wanted to learn more about just what Tallis was seeking, and when he did he admitted that innocent lives shouldn't be lost amongst the ones who knew the risk.

Blah blah blah, I killed Prosper, then the farewell sequence arrived.

And through no fault of my own the anti-Qunari choice was picked -- my cat actually jumped on my controller -- and I saw just how much Bioware failed in their writing.

And I was disappointed. I shook my head in disbelief and didn't want anything to do with the DLC, because while Tallis isn't a Mary Sue -- something she's slapped with too often -- I found that the very ending of the DLC made her close to being one.

Hawke didn't have to succeed at taking the scroll from her, but he sure as hell should've actually attempted beyond this:

Hawke: Gimme.
Tallis: LOL no.
Hawke: Welp, I tried. So long, bestie!

Anyway, to sum up: As I've said before, I don't hate Felicia Day or Tallis. I don't want to kill her character. What I do hate is lazy writing, where Bioware fails to recognize the self-evident -- or so I thought -- actions a particular character with certain views might take.

And what makes me sad is that, after Bioware has made it a point to say "We dun' goofed" in regards to Act 3 and other areas of DAII, they can't just come out and say "You know what? We dun' goofed again on MotA's anti-Qunari ending".

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Just found these and they sum up my feelings pretty well, though I don't live with my mother or need an allowance.

http://biowareconfes...of-the-assassin

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I didn't mind Tallis at all in MOTA , I mostly love qunari and i'm always joyful about characters who have trouble with their faith .
Truth is the character could have a great story.The idea of elves taking refuge to the qun to be equal , and then struggle with how much it's different and it's hard to give up individuality is great.

But sadly i did watch DA :redemption ....and didn't really like Tallis anymore.
She's just annoying , she struggle with the qun ,but at the end of the day just do what she wants to do.Mostly just being some kind of brat , that doesn't care about much but claim to do things in the name of her faith.

It seems to me that the character was more shallow than complicated.Probably because the character was trying too much to be a profound badass.

But IMO the writing of redemption was bordeline terrible.

After redemption I really have mixed feelings about seeing Tallis in a game .
I wouldn't want to kill her but i guess i would be less open minded to her "struggle".

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I dont see where the hate is coming from. Why do people want to kill her> Srsly

She was actually amusing, especially during the wevern hunt, and the orlesian party. Love her personality.

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KaidanLover wrote...

I dont see where the hate is coming from. Why do people want to kill her> Srsly

She was actually amusing, especially during the wevern hunt, and the orlesian party. Love her personality.


Right? It's like there can only be one cute charming elven girl who may or may not be doing something you disagree with.

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David Gaider wrote...

I've long-maintained it's better than apathy, and I've never encountered a reason to change that opinion.


There's a difference between hating the character and hating the quality of writing, no?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:20 .


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It was the backwards 50 foot jump she did that ruined her for me. Immersion went right out the window. Don`t want her dead, though. Just want her missing in action.

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I'd sooner kill Sten.

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thats1evildude wrote...

I'd sooner kill Sten.


You might get your chance.

I haven't been reading the comic series but I saw the cover to one of the newer ones. Sten's the new Arishok. And with international war brewing and the qunari a constant external threat to Thedas Stenishok may have a part to play.


Unrelated Edit:

Stenishok's my new favorite word. And I think my next Skyrim character will be named Thedas Stenishok.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:03 .


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Fidget6 wrote...

I've never gotten the Tallis hate at all. I thought she was quite charming.


I  agree  but  Haters will hate   the  fact that  you don't  have  @hole choices and they like picking on  stars and character s they dont like .   My  persoanl theory   is its the ones  that  pick all the renagade options and allways  playing the " bad  @ass probly  wanted to  take  the scrolls and  go  kill   everyone .

 In my opinion it  was  a  5 star  dlc   writing   acting  choices and the  guest star were all amazing and i hope they   ask her to come  back  and  get  more celebs intrested .

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:33 .


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NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

My  persoanl theory   is its the ones  that  pick all the renagade options and allways  playing the " bad  @ass probly  wanted to  take  the scrolls and  go  kill   everyone .


When talking about me, you'd be correct. However, I'm not the only one who feels this way and largely those people aren't of the same mindset as mine.

In addition, I loathed Tallis even before the ending option was present. From her initial presentation at the thief ambush, the annoying personality and having her entire character crammed down my throat, it wasn't hard to dislike her.

When I abandoned her but the writers forced me into indirectly helping her, I knew something was wrong because it appeared the writers didn't learn from their DA2 mistakes. I was forced to accept Tallis walking away with the scroll (despite how stupid that is), the option which the writers had given me was there to simply insult me and anyone else who might've felt the same. 

Tallis is surrounded by plot armor five miles high that Hawke can't even say "grrrr" before she charms him into doing absolutely nothing. It would've been better had Hawke not even gone there.

I'd rather feel apathetic to her than desire her to be killed off-screen.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:20 .


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I guess the topic name is rather misleading, so I changed it to "Give us option to kill Tallis"
Such decisions should not be forced upon players.

Modifié par Cultist, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:36 .


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David Gaider wrote...

There's no reason to read into my tone.

Given previous discussions about silent protagonists and full text dialogue options, I find this very funny.

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Death wishes....

In ye good old days everyone was killable.
you could have fraked up a quest or even the main narrative and had to reload, but you could still do it.

Wit hthat said ...what is it with you and your obsession of killing fictional characters Cultist?

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I don't really see why an option to kill Tallis is necessary. Just tell her to gtfo and be done with it. That said, I'd prefer not to have her return as a companion. I don't hate her, I'd just rather have that slot go to a different character.

Modifié par Anarya, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:57 .


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I'd rather she just didn't come back at all. Her character isn't very interesting.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Death wishes....

In ye good old days everyone was killable.
you could have fraked up a quest or even the main narrative and had to reload, but you could still do it.

Wit hthat said ...what is it with you and your obsession of killing fictional characters Cultist?

Because it adds to the game. I would like to see this option even for characters that i like and never ever will kill in my walkthroughs. But it is only mine opinion and a lot of players would be annoyed by characters I like and they should have an option to get rid of them.