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[Sable Rhapsody]

ElitePinecone wrote...
DA3's new Inquisition, again, is not the same thing. It seems to be heavily dependant on player choices for its tone, for starters.

If people can't tell the difference between a fictional universe's history and the real one, I'd question their perspective.

True, but the phrase "Inquisition" raises more negative associations than positive (goofy Python antics aside).  And I'm sure the writers knew that when they came up with the name.  Thedas isn't the best place to be once the templar/mage war starts gathering steam, and I'm sure that in order to save the world from itself, you need to face some pretty unpleasant things.  I think the subtitle is just meant to set the tone that serious s*** is going down.

[Calians]

Avejajed wrote...

Calians wrote...

So in the end I dont think you're going to be a Tyrant Inquisitor giving out sweet ironfisted justice to those dirty mages.

Well there goes my preorder.

I was just guessing  I do hope I can open a can of divine holy smiteness on mages 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Calians wrote...
I was just guessing  I do hope I can open a can of divine holy smiteness on mages 

Now they just need to make the Smite ability into mage murder again like it was in DA:O.

Though TBH, as a player I am so sick of the templars vs. mage thing that I just wanna be able to make them sit down and shut up in DA3.  Or failing that, murdering them all will also do the trick 

[Allan Schumacher]

I'd encourage people to not jump to too many conclusions about who or what the PC's affiliations will be or were prior to the game.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
I'd encourage people to not jump to too many conclusions about who or what the PC's affiliations will be or were prior to the game.

You mean you don't enjoy watching us flail about wildly?  

[MisterJB]

Calians wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Calians wrote...

@brushyourteeth Yeah true that, regardless though I think having a tag from both would be cool beans:lol:

I'm pretty pro-Chantry and VERY pro-Justinia, though the Templars need.... a makeover. And I'm not talking about the uniforms! 

Still, I think this thread is supposed to be about whether you can be a mage and be part of the Inquisition, either in good conscience as a mage or even just as part of the game mechanics.

I think the answers will be yes, and yes. I don't see this Inquisition being much of an issue of religion, honestly. I see them involved in something bigger than just mage v templar. And even the battle that's being fought now consists largely of Andrastians v. other Andrastians. It's not really a religious war, unless you want to argue that the mages adopt a different view of the Chant than the disenfranchised Templars/Seekers do. Which they might -- but it doesn't seem to be one of their major platforms, so it's kind of a non-issue.

Exactly what I think..but making these sigs for pro-temps and pro-chantry is harder than I thought..might be a couple days

Ooooh, I want one.

[LolaLei]

Avejajed wrote...

Calians wrote...

So in the end I dont think you're going to be a Tyrant Inquisitor giving out sweet ironfisted justice to those dirty mages.

Well there goes my preorder.

Lmao, you're such a sh!te!

[brushyourteeth]

MisterJB wrote...

Calians wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm pretty pro-Chantry and VERY pro-Justinia, though the Templars need.... a makeover. And I'm not talking about the uniforms! 

Still, I think this thread is supposed to be about whether you can be a mage and be part of the Inquisition, either in good conscience as a mage or even just as part of the game mechanics.

I think the answers will be yes, and yes. I don't see this Inquisition being much of an issue of religion, honestly. I see them involved in something bigger than just mage v templar. And even the battle that's being fought now consists largely of Andrastians v. other Andrastians. It's not really a religious war, unless you want to argue that the mages adopt a different view of the Chant than the disenfranchised Templars/Seekers do. Which they might -- but it doesn't seem to be one of their major platforms, so it's kind of a non-issue.

Exactly what I think..but making these sigs for pro-temps and pro-chantry is harder than I thought..might be a couple days

Ooooh, I want one.

I made some stuff! 

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:03 .

[silentassassin264]

In DA2 when Varric BSs for you to Ser Karras about the whole blood mage deal in the caves, if you are a mage, he says you are an Enchanter from Ferelden who was investigating this. Ser Karras acknowledges your authority and even thanks you. It would seem as if the Chantry had no problem giving mages sympathetic to cause authority on matters like that. In fact, it would not surprise me if there were even Mage Seekers. Considering the Divine had her own personal bard assassin, I wouldn't put it past them.

[Calians]

@brushyourteeth Thx those are really great! I've gotten like 5 pre-mades but having issue's with photoshop and some of it's accessories which I hope will be figured out soon

[brushyourteeth]

Calians wrote...

@brushyourteeth Thx those are really great! I've gotten like 5 pre-mades but having issue's with photoshop and some of it's accessories which I hope will be figured out soon

I can't wait to see them!!! These were my first try - I used microsoft publisher. Still not sure why I can't get the gray one to lock in to the proper size for me, though. ah, well.

[Foolsfolly]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'd encourage people to not jump to too many conclusions about who or what the PC's affiliations will be or were prior to the game.

I assume it's whatever the hell we want since I know BioWare will not remove the option to be a mage here. So I'm not worried. People get worried too easily.

Besides that Seeker anime (meh) has a special feature in which Laidlaw I believe talks about how Seekers are recruited out of the Templar order or "outside in rare cercumstances." I took that as confirmation that the Inquistor will be recruited outside the Templar order.

And why not? The Templars are no longer with the Chantry.

People worry too much. The Divine's pragmatic, clearly. If a Mage can solve this problem then she'll choose that mage.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Foolsfolly wrote...
People worry too much. The Divine's pragmatic, clearly. If a Mage can solve this problem then she'll choose that mage.

Yeah, Justinia V's not an idiot, she knows she's at the point where anyone sympathetic to stopping the war is worth his/her weight in gold.  Besides, the Chantry's probably not in great shape by DA2 having lost its main military arm to the mage/templar conflict.  Beggars can't be choosers and all that.

[Olorin_85]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Calians wrote...

@brushyourteeth Yeah true that, regardless though I think having a tag from both would be cool beans:lol:

I'm pretty pro-Chantry and VERY pro-Justinia, though the Templars need.... a makeover. And I'm not talking about the uniforms! 

Still, I think this thread is supposed to be about whether you can be a mage and be part of the Inquisition, either in good conscience as a mage or even just as part of the game mechanics.

I think the answers will be yes, and yes. I don't see this Inquisition being much of an issue of religion, honestly. I see them involved in something bigger than just mage v templar. And even the battle that's being fought now consists largely of Andrastians v. other Andrastians. It's not really a religious war, unless you want to argue that the mages adopt a different view of the Chant than the disenfranchised Templars/Seekers do. Which they might -- but it doesn't seem to be one of their major platforms, so it's kind of a non-issue.

You actually got the point I was trying to make in my initial question and, until more info are revealed, I tend to agree with what you wrote here (even though I'm more into the whole pro-mages thing). 
I may state the obvious in the following lines, but I'm growing more and more convinced that the potential "Big Bad" of DA3 is/will be connected with Flemeth's original plan involving Morrigan, the GW and the ArchDemon. It's only just a thought that has occurred to me in the last few days, during my 2nd playthrough in DA2, but all the hints and half-spoken sentence about someone/something pulling the strings behind the events of DA: O and DA2 got my thinking about it. If that's really it, it won't be much of a mage-chantry conflict we might face in DA3, but rather a Maker-Old Gods one, which could allow for a mage-friendly inquisition.

But it's just my very own, very personal hypothesis. Can't wait to test it against some solid material  

Thanks all for the replies and hypothesis! Keep it coming^^

[esper]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'd encourage people to not jump to too many conclusions about who or what the PC's affiliations will be or were prior to the game.

That is damn hard to do when the name carrys strong both in world and real word associations, surely bioware was aware of that when choosing that name.

Untill we get something concrete we can only guess based on what the name have meant for Thedas and what it means in the real world.

[Last Vizard]

Edit: After reading the "spoiler" I see that it's a new Inquisition so perhaps the evil that follows such groups may not be involved yet.

"Who watches the watchers?"

Modifié par Last Vizard, 21 septembre 2012 - 11:12 .

[Allan Schumacher]

esper wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'd encourage people to not jump to too many conclusions about who or what the PC's affiliations will be or were prior to the game.

That is damn hard to do when the name carrys strong both in world and real word associations, surely bioware was aware of that when choosing that name.

Untill we get something concrete we can only guess based on what the name have meant for Thedas and what it means in the real world.

That's fair, and yes we did know it would strike a chord (in some ways bad) with some people because of it.  We had considered not using the title because people may relate it TOO strongly, but ultimately we all agreed it was a great title for the game based on the ideas for the game.  We decided to take the risk and not change out of what we wanted to do just to make sure the name was safe.

Hopefully more details will come sooner rather than later (I have no idea the timeline), to help calm your fears.

[Xewaka]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Hopefully more details will come sooner rather than later (I have no idea the timeline), to help calm your fears.

This is the BSN. You know as well as I do that cannot happen in the BSN.

[Wereparrot]

Olorin_85 wrote...

Hello everyone. I hope the pure speculative nature of this topic won't seal its fate to a premature block but, since the subforum's up, I thought I might as well expose a doubt that's been in my mind for quite some time.

So, same as many of you I have been tackling every bit of news about this game for a while now. Yesterday's open letter from Mark Darrah was quite a surprise and an exciting reading too. 

However, I find myself wondering how the distinctive "3 classes" pattern of the DA franchise will fit in a title which, by its title, will mainly be concerned with the whereabouts of the Inquisition or even, judging by some of the early rumours, with he whereabouts of its Commander. A Warrior-Rogue PC doesn't pose much of a challenge in explain how he/she enlisted in the Inquisition ranks, I suppose, though I'm eager to know what the team has in store for them in terms of background story (here's hoping we get some sort of playable prologue a la Origins).

However, I think Mages are much more difficult, in this respect. I mean, with all we've been told about magic being something dangerous, difficult to controll, strictly regulated, ill-viewed by both people and governments (aside from Tevinter, of course) and openly harrassed by, well, almost everyone, it makes me wonder how exactly a Mage could end up being the Inquisition commander, or even part of it.
Shouldn't the Inquisition be something like even more "mage-phobic" than the Templars are? Or are they that secret branch that every security organization has, dedicated to "fight fire with fire"? And if so, how exactly is a mage selected to enter it?

So, I'd like to hear if someone else has this same doubt and if he/she has come up with a possible explanation for it, or if we're just going to live with this doubt until "late 2013" comes

I agree, but it probably won't be a DA version of the Spanish Inquisition: eg all mages give up magic or leave. Given the ability of the PC to be a mage, this would be ridiculous, not to mention dangerous. You don't want to hound all the mages to Tevinter and then face a war you can't win.

Modifié par Wereparrot, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:14 .

[esper]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

esper wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I'd encourage people to not jump to too many conclusions about who or what the PC's affiliations will be or were prior to the game.

That is damn hard to do when the name carrys strong both in world and real word associations, surely bioware was aware of that when choosing that name.

Untill we get something concrete we can only guess based on what the name have meant for Thedas and what it means in the real world.

That's fair, and yes we did know it would strike a chord (in some ways bad) with some people because of it.  We had considered not using the title because people may relate it TOO strongly, but ultimately we all agreed it was a great title for the game based on the ideas for the game.  We decided to take the risk and not change out of what we wanted to do just to make sure the name was safe.

Hopefully more details will come sooner rather than later (I have no idea the timeline), to help calm your fears.

Yes, well. Soon is a wide term and can be a really long time.

My fear is that since this is a story point and not a game mechanism pointm, will we even get details about this before preordring/buying or will we have to wait all the way to the demo or the whole game is out?

[AngryFrozenWater]

Lots of speculation in my post of course.

I think the problem BW is facing is class recognition. In DA2 mages were hunted, but somehow not mage Hawke. Hawke needed to explain he/she was a mage, even though Hawke wore a mage robe, a magic hat, wielded a staff and blasted foes with fire balls. Or more general: The mage was supposed to be a foe in the mage/chantry conflict and the other classes were more neutral. A PC with the templar warrior specialization cannot be truly objective either.

If the inquisition allows the PC to join it and is about a mage/chantry conflict then the PC as a mage will have to solve that problem by a mage specific story branch to be believable. Another solution would be to abandon the mage as a playable class and emphasize the templar warrior specialization as the magic one. The latter will not be popular by mage fans.

In another scenario the PC is investigating the inquisition and/or fighting it. That way a mage specific branch is prevented, and the problem of class recognition is easier to solve, because the PC is considered a foe anyway, no matter what class the PC has.

Given that usually BW opts for the most economic solutions, I think the second scenario is more probable. There is also a lot of resistance among some players who have enough of the mage/chantry conflict. That would make the second one even more appealing. On the other hand the chantry/templar/mage system is a fundamental given in Thedas, so bringing the chantry down won't happen, but bringing the inquisition down or the bad elements within it may improve the mage situation. Help from within, like Leliana (with maybe Casandra as her foe), would fit in that as well.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[esper]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Lots of speculation in my post of course.

I think the problem BW is facing is class recognition. In DA2 mages were hunted, but somehow not mage Hawke. Hawke needed to explain he/she was a mage, even though Hawke wore a mage robe, a magic hat, wielded a staff and blasted foes with fire balls. Or more general: The mage was supposed to be a foe in the mage/chantry conflict and the other classes were more neutral. A PC with the templar warrior specialization cannot be truly objective either.

If the inquisition allows the PC to join it and is about a mage/chantry conflict then the PC as a mage will have to solve that problem by a mage specific story branch to be believable. Another solution would be to abandon the mage as a playable class and emphasize the templar warrior specialization as the magic one. The latter will not be popular by mage fans.

In another scenario the PC is investigating the inquisition and/or fighting it. That way a mage specific branch is prevented, and the problem of class recognition is easier to solve, because the PC is considered a foe anyway, no matter what class the PC has.

Given that usually BW opts for the most economic solutions, I think the second scenario is more probable. There is also a lot of resistance among some players who have enough of the mage/chantry conflict. That would make the second one even more appealing. On the other hand the chantry/templar/mage system is a fundamental given in Thedas, so bringing the chantry down won't happen, but bringing the inquisition down or the bad elements within it may improve the mage situation. Help from within, like Leliana (with maybe Casandra as her foe), would fit in that as well.

The problem is not class regonigtion, at least not for me. The problem is that I don't want to play a pro-chantry character who works for the chantry, or who started out before the game working for some obscure elite chantry branch.

Basically I want my characther to be able to express (and always have beenexpressing) that they think Justina really should jump out from the nearest cliff and die. And it is a bid hard to imagine that a chantry group could justify recruiting that characther. 

[Plaintiff]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

By its definition, an inquisition is an "institutional organization" created to root out heresy.

False

in·qui·si·tion/ˌinkwiˈziSHən/

Noun:
1. A period of prolonged and intensive questioning or investigation.
2. A judicial or official inquiry.

Now everyone can cool their jets. And remember: a dictionary is your friend.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .