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[JR1911]

Not a deal breaker for me at all, I usually play as a human anyway.

[Ravenmyste]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

really humans are diverse.. you dont say.. let see 2 legs  2 hands 1 head, 1 heart and normal things  that would make us all the same   now add skin color and different speaking.. nope, nothing really diverse with exception to skin and language so no were not really different

Way to gloss over every culture that has ever existed with a wave of your ignorant hand.

thats the point you think we are diverse when if we was to exclude all things like religion, way of upbringing and language, and color of one skin yellow brown, black, purple with yellow pokie dots and color of one eyes.. then no we are not diverse . so yes you JUST failed.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[marshalleck]

In Ravenmyste's world, elves and dwarves somehow DO NOT fall under the over-broad generalization of "2 legs 2 hands 1 head, 1 heart and normal things that would make us all the same now add skin color and different speaking."

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:25 .

[Harle Cerulean]

Not a dealbreaker, but very disappointing. I'm a human in everyday life, much as I hate to admit sometimes. When I play fantasy games, I prefer to be something else for a while.

I understood the reasons why Hawke was limited to being human, and if the protag of Inquisition must be human, I'm sure there will be story reasons for that, as well. But there are many stories they could tell in Thedas, and focusing on stories where the protagonist can only be human is both not utilizing the world to fullest potential, and a disappointment to fans who don't prefer being human.

[upsettingshorts]

Ravenmyste wrote...

thats the point you think we are diverse when if we was to exclude all things like religion, way of upbringing and language, and color of one skin yellow brown, black, purple color of one eyes.. then no we are not diverse . so yes you JUST failed

Why would I exclude any of those things?  Did you miss my point entirely?

My point is that all those differences matter a great deal.

[macrocarl]

Nope. Human is OK with me...... But if they add other races then that's cool too.

[marshalleck]

Harle Cerulean wrote...
a disappointment to fans who don't prefer being human.

Based on Bioware's metrics you're like 5% (or less) of the playerbase, so it doesn't really matter

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[upsettingshorts]

marshalleck wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...
a disappointment to fans who don't prefer being human.

Based on Bioware's metrics you're like 5% (or less) of the playerbase, so it doesn't really matter

I think it was something like 3% played dwarven Origins, 10% played elven Origins, and everyone else played humans.  Don't quote me on those numbers, though.

BioWare of course doesn't think that in of itself is reason enough not to include other races, and they've acknowledged that there is a real advantage in including options players don't take, as players themselves value those options even though they do not pursue them.

However, by taking those metrics and saying,  "What can we do better if we fix the race?" that ends up with things like the Hawke family being a major plot point instead of something that has to be abandoned early after the prologue as in Origins.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[marshalleck]

I don't remember the exact numbers either, I just remember it was very small and insignificant. So insignificant that catering to a very select group of players isn't worth mucking up so much of the overall plot.

[Huntress]

Salaya wrote...

It would be for me. I really want race selection back again.

It is not confirmed, isn't it?

Same here, give us options please.
  And No I haven't read anything about it yet, they just announce the game.

[Saphean71]

I'd like different races to choose from, but it wouldn't bother me if I had to play human again. I think different background choices would be good though along with different quest/ speech options to go with them

[KingRoxas]

Nope, best (imho) would be fixed protagonist.

Modifié par Kingroxas, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:50 .

[marshalleck]

Nyoka wrote...

No, I have no problem with a fixed species. But I do have a problem with a fixed protagonist. I need a character creator in my RPGs.

Yeah, fixed protagonist in Planescape Torment really hurt the RPGness of that game

[Uccio]

Yes, I want origins back.

Draela wrote...

Well considering we have the restrictive dialogue wheel system and a fully voiced main character again, I'm doubting we'll be anything other than a crass human who speaks in blues and reds.

Voiced character does not exclude multiple origins. One voice CAN speak all the different races.

[upsettingshorts]

Ukki wrote...

Voiced character does not exclude multiple origins. One voice CAN speak all the different races.

Sure, if BioWare drops the "races each have their own accent" scheme which never made much sense in the first place.

Linking accents to populations - such as say, people of all races living in Kirkwall - would allow what you suggest.

[Reidbynature]

No, but I still find it annoying. From what I recall I believe it was said that the various races were axed because they weren't used as much by the player. It annoys me because it sounds like marketing driven game development. That can't be good in my book.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Draela wrote...

Well considering we have the restrictive dialogue wheel system and a fully voiced main character again, I'm doubting we'll be anything other than a crass human who speaks in blues and reds.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

It is not a deal breaker, but I like the option. If it is a really good game then it gives it more playthrough value. The more ways I can play it with different characters and different results is a good thing. DA:O did that well and I would like to see that expanded upon. Not like DA2 where you only had two endings depending on if you were a mage or not.

[PaulSX]

not a deal breaker, but race options will definitely be an incentive for me to preorder the game once it's available.

[upsettingshorts]

Reidbynature wrote...

From what I recall I believe it was said that the various races were axed because they weren't used as much by the player. It annoys me because it sounds like marketing driven game development. That can't be good in my book.

That's... not marketing.  At all.

If their metrics are telling them an overwhelming majority of their players do not use a given feature, and game development resources are limited to begin with, does it not make sense to consider cutting said feature in favor of something else?

Though like I said, there is an agreed-upon value to the presense of an untaken path, the fact it is so often untaken has to be considered when figuring out where you're going to be allotting your resources in your next game.

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Draela wrote...

Well considering we have the restrictive dialogue wheel system and a fully voiced main character again, I'm doubting we'll be anything other than a crass human who speaks in blues and reds.

This has nothing to do with having race options.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:50 .

[Ravenmyste]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ravenmyste wrote...

thats the point you think we are diverse when if we was to exclude all things like religion, way of upbringing and language, and color of one skin yellow brown, black, purple color of one eyes.. then no we are not diverse . so yes you JUST failed

Why would I exclude any of those things?  Did you miss my point entirely?

My point is that all those differences matter a great deal.

Because something as being diverse means having something SPECIAL to do with oneself being not to be looking on something as skin,color and creed, language,ethnic .. so yes we are not as diverse as you think we are..

like this if i may use a dragon age diversity one race can cast magic, one race can change shape{but is limited to not being able to cast magic} it in there eyes shape change is normal to them and not really considered exotc skill..

and oh yeah one can breath water and spit fire at a enemy but these are considered normal for there races..

can humans at willing change shape,breath fire, cast magic spells and live under ground for untold years and make magic golems..

that is what diverse means in dragon age..

but in the real world only thing that can ever be considered diverse is let see history language, religion, and upbringing which can be shared and you loose that diversity..

see what i mean humans in the real world can learn about things that make other races and other ethnics... sure we cant change are looks to include say a horn on are head{ with out plastic surgery and or painful things to force change on are bodies, and or willing grown are bodies to look like another,but as humans we are plain there nothing as exotic that we can learn about come away from learning about other humans that have learned things like other humans have learned but we can be trained..

so yes if saying i just wiped out everything that would make you think we are, when actually we are not... sorry but that's not what fantasy is..

now i can see fantasy as throwing magic, changing things about are self, able to breath under water, live under ground and build things like say golem that thinks for it self and wants its freedom.


only thing special about humans is that  each time we have a child that brings happinessto the world or saddness is solely dependant on its parents that can share its wisdom that it  wil share its wisdom onto others.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 18 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Giltspur]

Not a dealbreaker in Dragon Age.  It probably would be a dealbreaker in Elder Scrolls.  I'm not sure the difference.  Maybe ES being such a lonely experience makes race selection seem more important there.  At any rate, I liked the Origins in DAO and would like to see race selection again.  But the absence of it doesn't decrease my interest in the game.