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Is fixed race again a deal breaker?


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#151
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 I wouldn't play anything else than Human anyways so, no. It doesn't affect me and allowing race options makes BioWares job harder anyways.

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So... you can't pick your race again? It's not a dealbreaker but it totally sucks. I don't see why the protag has to start out with the exact same race and storyline. Already Bioware is limiting options.

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I would be fine with it. I'd like to see the option to have a different background for your character if thats the case.

Of course they could add Elves as an alternative race, given they would share practically all the animation and motions of a human character it'd be much easier. They'd have the same voice actors but people would let that slide for the option.

It would still be a fair amound of extra work of course even with shared assets. Elves would obviosuly be treated differently than humans in many scenarios and interactions meaning they would have to create race specific dialogue and assets. But still it's a less work intensive compromise than having 6 unique origins and three races.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:33 .


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With what I know about the concept of DA3 (hint: the inquisition bit), anything else would be a deal-breaker. The list of reasons why an elf, dwarf or maker forbid kossith (why not make darkspawn selectable while we're at that) would never be in a high ranking position in an andrastian inquisition is just too damn long.

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If the fixed race was Dwarf, I'd be happy. I'd be a little annoyed by a fixed human, unless they were voiced by Adam Baldwin, or Nathan Fillion. Can't think of any female voices, maybe Veronica Belmont or Suzetta Minet.

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I'd love to play different races, and I wish we could have origins again that gave us a great back story leading into the main quest (that was so unique and kewl), but it's not a deal breaker.

Just so I can play as a woman, I'll be okay.

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It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, but if I could play as an elf again in DA3, well... I'd come embarrassingly close to pissing myself in fangirlish glee. =X

Too much information?

Anyhoo, as much as I want it to happen, I'm hesitant to believe it actually will.  With the protag (potentially?) being a Seeker/Inquisitor, that kind of limits race options...  I mean, a human would certainly make the most sense, city elf second.  Dalish elves and dwarves though?  More of a stretch? D:

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Deal breaker? No. HUGE FREAKING BUMMER? Yes.

I just find dwarves and elves more interesting than humans insofar as how they relate to the world and how the world relates back to them. I have no PROBLEM playing as a human, but it is a distant third option. The lack of origin stories in general is a pretty big bummer -- fixed histories greatly reduces roleplay options --but I'll be really, really disappointed if (okay, okay, WHEN) we find out that it's all human, all the time again.

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RosaAquafire wrote...

Deal breaker? No. HUGE FREAKING BUMMER? Yes.

I just find dwarves and elves more interesting than humans insofar as how they relate to the world and how the world relates back to them. I have no PROBLEM playing as a human, but it is a distant third option. The lack of origin stories in general is a pretty big bummer -- fixed histories greatly reduces roleplay options --but I'll be really, really disappointed if (okay, okay, WHEN) we find out that it's all human, all the time again.


I like these words.:wizard:

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I want to play a dwarf. And since it will be released in a time of 'The Hobbit' I expect others would as well.

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if they don't add more then human race it wont be as fun! plus da2 only one race seemed lazy for bioware...

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It wouldn't be a deal-breaker, just a huge disappointment. I've never understood why one would create a fantastical world with fantastical races and then make the protag human-only.

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Also I'd just like to add that people needs to remember that allowing choosing your race only made sense in DA:O. Same for DA2, a Dwarf or Elf Hawke, considering they would've went on with the same story, would NOT have made sense. Now let's think about this for a second, imagine we are indeed the head of the Inquisition order, and we're firm in our belief in the Maker, then I'm sure we'll be Human again.

Of course, BioWare might've added a nice explanation as to why a Dwarf or a Elf could be the head of the Inquisition and I might be very wrong.

Modifié par Androme, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:36 .


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There's concept art of a kossith in Seeker-like armor. Seems to me that the protagonist of DA3 doesn't necessarily NEED to be a boringbutt human.

Image IPB

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Generally yes it is for me.

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Not for me. Multiple origins served its purpose in DAO, in my opinion, as DA at that time was a completely new IP with a brand new world. I think multiple origins served the purpose of immersing the player into the world while at the same time learn aspects of key races.

Playing as only a human in DA2 served another purpose because one of the key thing pushed was the idea of family. And the race of human is generic and general as they come so it fits with some people in some way.

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RosaAquafire wrote...

Deal breaker? No. HUGE FREAKING BUMMER? Yes.

I just find dwarves and elves more interesting than humans insofar as how they relate to the world and how the world relates back to them. I have no PROBLEM playing as a human, but it is a distant third option. The lack of origin stories in general is a pretty big bummer -- fixed histories greatly reduces roleplay options --but I'll be really, really disappointed if (okay, okay, WHEN) we find out that it's all human, all the time again.


Pretty sure that back when DA:O was being developed, a not insignificant number of people were against origins because they reduced roleplaying options.

And they do, if you detatch them from their having been the mechanism through which racial options were accessed.

For example, you can't realistically come up with a human ranger who lives in the forest background because the human non-mage is a noble raised in privilege at Highever.  That's a restriction.

Origins are fun in that they can kick-start several ideas from the unique perspective they offer, just like any variety in starting points would, but they do come at that cost.  That's before we even talk about zots.

Personally if I had my way, I'd have one origin, with a vague, indeterminate background, that allowed all three major races.  Sort of like the Bhaalspawn always being from Candlekeep. Human, city elf, casteless dwarf.  Does that rule out Dalish?  Pretty much, though there wouldn't be anything inherently stopping you from roleplaying a city elf who admired them and their ways.  It seems like it'd be the most efficient and liberating approach.

rpgfan321 wrote...

Not for me. Multiple origins served its purpose in DAO, in my opinion, as DA at that time was a completely new IP with a brand new world. I think multiple origins served the purpose of immersing the player into the world while at the same time learn aspects of key races. 

Playing as only a human in DA2 served another purpose because one of the key thing pushed was the idea of family. And the race of human is generic and general as they come so it fits with some people in some way.


Indeed much about Origins served as an introduction to Thedas.  

The origins helped introduce the races and their various social circumstances.

The "gather allies" plot sent the Warden all over Ferelden, where they'd learn about the Deep Roads/dwarves, mages/templars and their struggles, the Dalish exile, the plight of the city elves in Denerim...

What DA2 did - that a lot of people fail to appreciate, or just didn't want to see happen for whatever reason - deliberately took the world DAO showed us and demonstrated, dramatically, why it couldn't stay that way. 

But that's off topic.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:02 .


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Sabariel wrote...

There's concept art of a kossith in Seeker-like armor. Seems to me that the protagonist of DA3 doesn't necessarily NEED to be a boringbutt human.

*snip*


HOLY--Is this official art though?

#169
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Doesn't bother me.

I traditionally play elves when given the choice, but the more limited options in DA2 ended up not being an issue to me.

In this case, whatever works best for their story.

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My main is always human, so no its not really a deal breaker for me.

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Lord Aesir wrote...

Very disappointing, but I'd probably still play


Same here but with one small edit.

Playing a human is always my last choice.


edit to add:

piloteyre wrote...
If the devs gave us multiple non race specific backgrounds to choose from, but racial options in the CC, would that be acceptable?


Yes. I would also say that having some sort of reaction from NPCs based on one's race AND/OR class is important and deeply adds to immersion (at least for me...)


chuckles471 wrote...

If you are going to do it, then go for it. Have real dis/advantages, for example:

Elves cannot use or go into certain areas, have them as real downtrodden people. Think of them as nosteratu in vampire the masquerade bloodlines ( have a real reason to use stealth).

Dwarfs get huge penalties for fighting outside but are great negotiators.

Most races distrust and fear humans but you can use it your advantage.


I think this is a great idea!

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:55 .


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Jerrybnsn wrote...

You knew this thread would come up again in the DA3 forum.

Since you still can't import your characters, will having to play as another human be a deal breaker for you?


OMFG no race selection AGAIN?! This game just continues to disappoint. 

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jkflipflopDAO wrote...

OMFG no race selection AGAIN?! This game just continues to disappoint. 


Nothing has been said at all.

The BSN just continues to disappoint.

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Not a deal breaker no. Having the option is great but, honestly, I usually go human either way.

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MorningBird wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

There's concept art of a kossith in Seeker-like armor. Seems to me that the protagonist of DA3 doesn't necessarily NEED to be a boringbutt human.

*snip*


HOLY--Is this official art though?


Yup. It's in the DA2 guide.

http://maybethings.t...ost/21463858820