Robhuzz wrote...
Romance with Morrigan is not canon.
The Old God Baby however, is.
David Gaider wrote...
Androme wrote...
Hey David, I've read something you wrote several months ago regarding our previous player characters, while I've understood (by now, lol) that they won't be returning as playable characters, you mentioned that doesn't mean we won't ever be meeting them again, in what fashion could we expect our former player characters to return?
If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.
What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.
I hope it goes well!
Yeah, that is kinda creepy... But a good idea!LilyasAvalon wrote...
nightscrawl wrote...
I didn't think that the actual word "missing" was used. However, since we do know that Hawke is, in fact, "missing," it's heavily implied that being "Gone, just like the Warden," means they are both missing. If the phrase was just spoken without the reference to Hawke, you could also take it to mean dead.
On a creepy note, you could take the 'Gone' thing to the Warden still being dead. Somebody could've just gone graverobbing for all we know. >_>>_>
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Did the Warden, Hawke's and Marric's disappearances have ANYTHING to do with Flemeth?
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:28 .
Upsettingshorts wrote...
Right, we'd have different ones that spanned a narrower scope limited by the Warden's perspective, experience, age, and geographical location. Brilliant.
That isn't to say there aren't advantages to that approach, but it is - as Mass Effect did - something you kind of have to have in mind from the start.
You know, like... an arc.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Did the Warden, Hawke's and Marric's disappearances have ANYTHING to do with Flemeth?
Do
you think that's the kind of thing DG would reveal on a message board
as opposed to a game, novel, or comic? C'mon now.
Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .
Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .
LilyasAvalon wrote...
I... don't like the idea of either the Warden OR Hawke returning as NPCs. Seriously, the whole 'They're Missing!' thing felt so... important. I don't want someone to turn around and tell me Hawke just decided to get drunk at the Hanged Man for a while and not tell anyone.
Modifié par Androme, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .
David Gaider wrote...
Robhuzz wrote...
Romance with Morrigan is not canon.
The Old God Baby however, is.
If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.
David Gaider wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
Making the Ogb canon is Impossible without a full retcon which I can Assure you will not be taken in with open arms, especially after the whole me3 debacle over choices not mattering and 'space magic'
While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said)
that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.
Whetherhow the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.
Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:33 .
David Gaider wrote...
Yeah, the possible ret-conning of the DAO protaganist's death for the Awakening expansion was less than ideal-- and more related to a technical limitation than any kind of narrative intent. If someone wanted to play their DAO character in the expansion, then they were free to do so and make up whatever reasoning they wanted. That was just for the expansion's tale, and not intended to have larger implications.
Personally, I'd have been fine had we proceeded from DAO in the same manner as we did from BG1-- just have a set, canonical point from which DA2 would have started. And it was something we strongly considered. Hearing some people react in horror to that idea when it's suggested on the forums, and say things like no RPG would nullify your choices when it was really only Mass Effect which did it... well, I wonder how that would have gone. Either way, even with a canon ending I doubt we would have remained with the DAO's Warden as the PC. Loose plot threads do not constitute an entire story, short of those people who feel their personal plot thread of "I had a child with Morrigan" or "I'm ruling Ferelden at Alistair's side" should be the basis for an entire game, regardless of whatever anyone else did.
David Gaider wrote...
Androme wrote...
Hey David, I've read something you wrote several months ago regarding our previous player characters, while I've understood (by now, lol) that they won't be returning as playable characters, you mentioned that doesn't mean we won't ever be meeting them again, in what fashion could we expect our former player characters to return?
If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.
What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.
Androme wrote...
Not necessarily, they could use the same male voice actor for elf, dwarf and human male, just force the poor guy to try to do it in a different tone
As relates to Maric, no. But if he were to comment about the Warden or Hawke, then certainly. As we saw in Asunder, he took great pains to be specifically ambiguous with anything relating to the Warden and Hawke. I find it far more likely he won't mention anything about it at all, anywhere, and we'll just have to wait for the game to answer those questions.Upsettingshorts wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Did the Warden, Hawke's and Marric's disappearances have ANYTHING to do with Flemeth?
Do you think that's the kind of thing DG would reveal on a message board as opposed to a game, novel, or comic? C'mon now.
Modifié par nightscrawl, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:39 .
Androme wrote...
As for the Warden (potential) and Hawke (potential) and Marics (confirmed) gone missing thing having something to do with Flemeth, I think we can all safely assume so, or can we? Goddamnit it sucks not to be a developer.
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Androme wrote...
As for the Warden (potential) and Hawke (potential) and Marics (confirmed) gone missing thing having something to do with Flemeth, I think we can all safely assume so, or can we? Goddamnit it sucks not to be a developer.
Flemeth seems to be the only person of power that all three of them have come across and she played a vital part in all three's rise to power, even in a small, unsignifigant way. Plus, she's just a nutty old lady and I expect it of her.
David Gaider wrote...
If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.
What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.
David Gaider wrote...
Robhuzz wrote...
Romance with Morrigan is not canon.
The Old God Baby however, is.
If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.
YOU SIR UNDERESTIMATE MY ABILITY TO SPECULATE!Androme wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Androme wrote...
As for the Warden (potential) and Hawke (potential) and Marics (confirmed) gone missing thing having something to do with Flemeth, I think we can all safely assume so, or can we? Goddamnit it sucks not to be a developer.
Flemeth seems to be the only person of power that all three of them have come across and she played a vital part in all three's rise to power, even in a small, unsignifigant way. Plus, she's just a nutty old lady and I expect it of her.
Yes I mean it's OBVIOUS that Flemeth has something do with each one of the heroes, but we can never know it for a FACT until we see or hear about it in game
David Gaider wrote...
If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.
What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.
Interesting to know (and good to see choices carry over/come into it) however I hope that doesn't mean that the 'Old God Baby'/Morrigan etc doesn't become background plot/character fodder as BioWare understandably doesn't want to waste resources on a character that some won't have (or stabbed in Witch Hunt)David Gaider wrote...
Robhuzz wrote...
Romance with Morrigan is not canon.
The Old God Baby however, is.
If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.
David Gaider wrote...
If they return (and are alive to do so), it would be as an NPC-- and we've said previously that, if we include them, it would be important to do it right and not as an unsatisfying cameo that would just make the very people they're included for unhappy. If we can't do that, then we just won't have them appear. Whether they appear or not, however, the question of their disappearance will need to be addressed.
What we're doing, exactly? That's a question I can't/won't answer, along with so many other questions people will have about DA3 at this point.
Modifié par Shevy_001, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .
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